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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/09/15/open-thread-9-15-23/#comment-2698856</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2023 19:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[WRt the two firefighters kneeling before the chaplain.

As Catholics, they may not achieve heaven if they die in a state of mortal sin.  Hence the frequency of confession and absolution.
When there is no time for the sacrament of confession, as before a battle, the priest may offer conditional absolution.
The guys must sincerely repent of their sins, make (recite) a good Act of Contrition, resolve to go to confession as soon as possible.
The priest then absolves them.
And &quot;their spirit is not troubled as it rises&quot;, quoting Mackinlay Kantor in his juvie book on Gettysburg, where conditional absolution is offered to the Irish Brigade.

There is some brief youtube footage from a movie on Gettysburg showing the process.  Prob find it under &quot;minstrel boy&quot;.

You ask for conditional absolution when you don&#039;t think you&#039;ll live to get to the sacrament of confession.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WRt the two firefighters kneeling before the chaplain.</p>
<p>As Catholics, they may not achieve heaven if they die in a state of mortal sin.  Hence the frequency of confession and absolution.<br />
When there is no time for the sacrament of confession, as before a battle, the priest may offer conditional absolution.<br />
The guys must sincerely repent of their sins, make (recite) a good Act of Contrition, resolve to go to confession as soon as possible.<br />
The priest then absolves them.<br />
And &#8220;their spirit is not troubled as it rises&#8221;, quoting Mackinlay Kantor in his juvie book on Gettysburg, where conditional absolution is offered to the Irish Brigade.</p>
<p>There is some brief youtube footage from a movie on Gettysburg showing the process.  Prob find it under &#8220;minstrel boy&#8221;.</p>
<p>You ask for conditional absolution when you don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ll live to get to the sacrament of confession.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2023 00:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[they sanction the camp of the saints, most recent example is the sicilian island of lampedusa, which is the subject of al hijra, invasion by mass immigration,

no hair on fire over those uzbek infiltrators &#039;i&#039;m sure it will be fine&#039; or it well end in blood and fury, that was romneys choices, mayorkas and garland have insured,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they sanction the camp of the saints, most recent example is the sicilian island of lampedusa, which is the subject of al hijra, invasion by mass immigration,</p>
<p>no hair on fire over those uzbek infiltrators &#8216;i&#8217;m sure it will be fine&#8217; or it well end in blood and fury, that was romneys choices, mayorkas and garland have insured,</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2023 00:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[actually no one is winning except possibly china, the eu hates hungary and poland for their traditional cultural stances, as they hate their own countrymen most of all,

most every policy in this little caucasus scrum is designed to make us weaker, otherwise a whole different set of options would have been entertained]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually no one is winning except possibly china, the eu hates hungary and poland for their traditional cultural stances, as they hate their own countrymen most of all,</p>
<p>most every policy in this little caucasus scrum is designed to make us weaker, otherwise a whole different set of options would have been entertained</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/09/15/open-thread-9-15-23/#comment-2698764</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2023 00:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: 9-11 jumpers

As I recall the media intentionally suppressed in their coverage videos of the falling bodies hitting the ground. 

I can go both ways on that. To be sure it was horrifying. Witnesses spoke of the bodies not just striking the ground but literally exploding. Tough for adults and unsuitable for children.

OTOH that horror was part of the truth of that horrifying day. Sugarcoating that horror by censoring images and then the fallacious &quot;Religion of Peace&quot; rhetoric didn&#039;t help either IMO.

Those videos are still suppressed on the web.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: 9-11 jumpers</p>
<p>As I recall the media intentionally suppressed in their coverage videos of the falling bodies hitting the ground. </p>
<p>I can go both ways on that. To be sure it was horrifying. Witnesses spoke of the bodies not just striking the ground but literally exploding. Tough for adults and unsuitable for children.</p>
<p>OTOH that horror was part of the truth of that horrifying day. Sugarcoating that horror by censoring images and then the fallacious &#8220;Religion of Peace&#8221; rhetoric didn&#8217;t help either IMO.</p>
<p>Those videos are still suppressed on the web.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/09/15/open-thread-9-15-23/#comment-2698738</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2023 21:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One of the tragedies of the Russo-Ukraine war, aka Vlad&#039;s little adventure, is that   corruption and criminality of the Brandon crime family and corruption in Ukraine chiefly benefits Russia and Vlad&#039;s fan boys.

Is the rest of Europe, except for Hungary, also corrupted in opposition of Russian imperial expansion?  Conviently forgotten it seems is the long history of Clinton and Obama cozy relations with Russia and Vlad.

Humper Brandon&#039;s art is certainly worth more than some hunk of metal be it a F-16, M1A2, GIMLR, ATACMS, GLSDB, or even 10,000 155 mm rounds. You can&#039;t put a price on genius. (sarc)

But what does Tucker say?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the tragedies of the Russo-Ukraine war, aka Vlad&#8217;s little adventure, is that   corruption and criminality of the Brandon crime family and corruption in Ukraine chiefly benefits Russia and Vlad&#8217;s fan boys.</p>
<p>Is the rest of Europe, except for Hungary, also corrupted in opposition of Russian imperial expansion?  Conviently forgotten it seems is the long history of Clinton and Obama cozy relations with Russia and Vlad.</p>
<p>Humper Brandon&#8217;s art is certainly worth more than some hunk of metal be it a F-16, M1A2, GIMLR, ATACMS, GLSDB, or even 10,000 155 mm rounds. You can&#8217;t put a price on genius. (sarc)</p>
<p>But what does Tucker say?</p>
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		By: PA+Cat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/09/15/open-thread-9-15-23/#comment-2698732</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2023 21:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[om: I think Congress should offer Zelenskyy some of Hunter Biden&#039;s &quot;paintings&quot; in lieu of cash. He can then sell them on the open &quot;art&quot; market.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>om: I think Congress should offer Zelenskyy some of Hunter Biden&#8217;s &#8220;paintings&#8221; in lieu of cash. He can then sell them on the open &#8220;art&#8221; market.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/09/15/open-thread-9-15-23/#comment-2698728</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2023 20:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lee Also,

This is merely guesswork based on the facts as I know them. I do not mean to know the thoughts or decisions of any of the people who perished in the twin towers or what they endured.

It seems likely to me that in fires as intense (ignited jet fuel) and pervasive (offices with limited to no visibility from smoke and debris) as those caused by the planes&#039; impacts one&#039;s primary instinct is to go towards any possible option. If there were less heat, some oxygen and even daylight somewhere it seems that one would innately go there. As intense as the heat was, sitting still in or near the flames had to be unbearable. I would think most were not even thinking rationally or thinking much of anything at all. If any direction is a few degrees cooler, or has some oxygen or doesn&#039;t contain flames, one would instinctually go there. Then, when one finds oneself at the building&#039;s edge what does one do? Maybe some decided to end their fate by going into the fire? But my guess is it would be nearly impossible to have thoughts in an inferno that intense. It seems likely some or most at the building&#039;s edge would take an additional step away from the incredible heat.

God bless them all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee Also,</p>
<p>This is merely guesswork based on the facts as I know them. I do not mean to know the thoughts or decisions of any of the people who perished in the twin towers or what they endured.</p>
<p>It seems likely to me that in fires as intense (ignited jet fuel) and pervasive (offices with limited to no visibility from smoke and debris) as those caused by the planes&#8217; impacts one&#8217;s primary instinct is to go towards any possible option. If there were less heat, some oxygen and even daylight somewhere it seems that one would innately go there. As intense as the heat was, sitting still in or near the flames had to be unbearable. I would think most were not even thinking rationally or thinking much of anything at all. If any direction is a few degrees cooler, or has some oxygen or doesn&#8217;t contain flames, one would instinctually go there. Then, when one finds oneself at the building&#8217;s edge what does one do? Maybe some decided to end their fate by going into the fire? But my guess is it would be nearly impossible to have thoughts in an inferno that intense. It seems likely some or most at the building&#8217;s edge would take an additional step away from the incredible heat.</p>
<p>God bless them all.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/09/15/open-thread-9-15-23/#comment-2698721</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2023 20:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PA+Cat:

Throw them under the bus.  Too bored to care?  

Making Russia Great Again one neighbor at a time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PA+Cat:</p>
<p>Throw them under the bus.  Too bored to care?  </p>
<p>Making Russia Great Again one neighbor at a time.</p>
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		By: PA+Cat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/09/15/open-thread-9-15-23/#comment-2698713</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PA+Cat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2023 20:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nothing succeeds like corruption: &quot;Volodymyr Zelenskyy is coming to America for the United Nations General Assembly next week. Zelenskyy plans to visit the White House in D.C. . . . Congress might give Ukraine $24 billion. . . . Biden has sought a package of $13.1 billion in additional military aid for Ukraine and $8.5 billion for humanitarian support. It also includes $2.3 billion for financing and to catalyze donors through the World Bank.&quot;

https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/09/zelenskyy-heading-to-d-c-as-congress-mulls-giving-ukraine-24-billion/

American taxpayers have already given Ukraine $76 billion since January 2022.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing succeeds like corruption: &#8220;Volodymyr Zelenskyy is coming to America for the United Nations General Assembly next week. Zelenskyy plans to visit the White House in D.C. . . . Congress might give Ukraine $24 billion. . . . Biden has sought a package of $13.1 billion in additional military aid for Ukraine and $8.5 billion for humanitarian support. It also includes $2.3 billion for financing and to catalyze donors through the World Bank.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/09/zelenskyy-heading-to-d-c-as-congress-mulls-giving-ukraine-24-billion/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/09/zelenskyy-heading-to-d-c-as-congress-mulls-giving-ukraine-24-billion/</a></p>
<p>American taxpayers have already given Ukraine $76 billion since January 2022.</p>
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		By: IrishOtter49		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/09/15/open-thread-9-15-23/#comment-2698705</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IrishOtter49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2023 19:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Part II is excellent: The terror attacks on the towers, and everything attendant thereto. Dramatic, heartbreaking, infuriating. The part that really sticks with me is when the NYC fireman, just prior to entering the towers, kneel before the NYCFD chaplin, and receive absolution -- after which they stand and run into the blazing tower and, ultimately, their deaths. Eventually the chaplin himself is killed, by a falling body. 

I downloaded Parts 1 &#038; 2 from the Pirate Bay,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part II is excellent: The terror attacks on the towers, and everything attendant thereto. Dramatic, heartbreaking, infuriating. The part that really sticks with me is when the NYC fireman, just prior to entering the towers, kneel before the NYCFD chaplin, and receive absolution &#8212; after which they stand and run into the blazing tower and, ultimately, their deaths. Eventually the chaplin himself is killed, by a falling body. </p>
<p>I downloaded Parts 1 &amp; 2 from the Pirate Bay,</p>
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