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		By: R2L		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2023 01:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kate on August 31, 2023 at 12:58 pm said:
“... if you install those solar panels on your house roof to sell power to the electric utility, there will be a big problem if your house is ever on fire.&quot;

Can you please clarify the concern you are suggesting here. My neighbor is entertaining just such a roof situation: is there something specific to which he should be alerted? Clearly if your house is on fire you have a major problem, with or without solar panels. Is this about using solar energy to charge Li ion batteries, which introduce greater risk of fire? 
Your comments are always clear and thoughtful, but I am confused about this one. :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate on August 31, 2023 at 12:58 pm said:<br />
“&#8230; if you install those solar panels on your house roof to sell power to the electric utility, there will be a big problem if your house is ever on fire.&#8221;</p>
<p>Can you please clarify the concern you are suggesting here. My neighbor is entertaining just such a roof situation: is there something specific to which he should be alerted? Clearly if your house is on fire you have a major problem, with or without solar panels. Is this about using solar energy to charge Li ion batteries, which introduce greater risk of fire?<br />
Your comments are always clear and thoughtful, but I am confused about this one. 🙂</p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2023 18:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art D:
&quot;It’s an insipid position and deserves to be discarded.&quot;

Insipid = lacking vigor or interest:

I&#039;d be interested to see the vigorous and interesting abortion platform you would put forward.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art D:<br />
&#8220;It’s an insipid position and deserves to be discarded.&#8221;</p>
<p>Insipid = lacking vigor or interest:</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested to see the vigorous and interesting abortion platform you would put forward.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2023 15:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Snow on Pine says stuff that indicates his faith in his prophet;

&lt;blockquote&gt;I just happen to think that, given what Elizondo has apparently seen and knows, the fact that he thinks that people would find this knowledge very “sobering” is very troubling to me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What Elizondo has &quot;apparently seen and knows&quot; is good enough for some followers.

Otay.  A true believer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snow on Pine says stuff that indicates his faith in his prophet;</p>
<blockquote><p>I just happen to think that, given what Elizondo has apparently seen and knows, the fact that he thinks that people would find this knowledge very “sobering” is very troubling to me.</p></blockquote>
<p>What Elizondo has &#8220;apparently seen and knows&#8221; is good enough for some followers.</p>
<p>Otay.  A true believer.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/31/open-thread-8-31-23/#comment-2696683</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2023 14:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[P.S.--I note DOD&#039;s announcement yesterday that the AARO office will no longer be reporting to Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence Ronald Moultrie, but, from now on, to Deputy Defense Secretary Kathleen Hicks, a change which I believe that Congress had ordered to be made in recent legislation. 

Moultrie, of course, one of the two high level DOD clowns who gave that (deliberate and staged?) clueless and dismissive performance at the first UFO hearing, in which they claimed to have no real knowledge of the history of or major incidents concerning the subject of UFOs, and illustrated their talk by using the two most unimpressive videos of UFOs that they apparently could find.

It has also been pointed out that a year in AARO had yet to create and launch a website where DOD employees could report UFO sightings, and where AARO could share with the public non-classified information and images.

In yesterday&#039;s announcement DOD said that this website would becoming online in the near future.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.&#8211;I note DOD&#8217;s announcement yesterday that the AARO office will no longer be reporting to Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence Ronald Moultrie, but, from now on, to Deputy Defense Secretary Kathleen Hicks, a change which I believe that Congress had ordered to be made in recent legislation. </p>
<p>Moultrie, of course, one of the two high level DOD clowns who gave that (deliberate and staged?) clueless and dismissive performance at the first UFO hearing, in which they claimed to have no real knowledge of the history of or major incidents concerning the subject of UFOs, and illustrated their talk by using the two most unimpressive videos of UFOs that they apparently could find.</p>
<p>It has also been pointed out that a year in AARO had yet to create and launch a website where DOD employees could report UFO sightings, and where AARO could share with the public non-classified information and images.</p>
<p>In yesterday&#8217;s announcement DOD said that this website would becoming online in the near future.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2023 14:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley--I&#039;m just reporting what Lou Elizondo said, not what I know to be true and, In fact, I hope it isn&#039;t true.  Unfortunately, I don&#039;t take Elizondo for a fool, or as someone who is easily mislead.

Elizondo&#039;s comment about things being &quot;sobering&quot; was in response to something like the question, &quot;If people knew what you know, and had seen what you have seen, what do you think their response would be?

I just happen to think that, given what Elizondo has apparently seen and knows, the fact that he thinks that people would find this knowledge very &quot;sobering&quot; is very troubling to me.

I would rather think that we are the masters of our own fate, not that we are just puppets,   an exhibit in some alien&#039;s zoo, or walled off from the rest of the Galaxy, and in some kind of quarantine as what Elizondo has hinted at seems to imply.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley&#8211;I&#8217;m just reporting what Lou Elizondo said, not what I know to be true and, In fact, I hope it isn&#8217;t true.  Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t take Elizondo for a fool, or as someone who is easily mislead.</p>
<p>Elizondo&#8217;s comment about things being &#8220;sobering&#8221; was in response to something like the question, &#8220;If people knew what you know, and had seen what you have seen, what do you think their response would be?</p>
<p>I just happen to think that, given what Elizondo has apparently seen and knows, the fact that he thinks that people would find this knowledge very &#8220;sobering&#8221; is very troubling to me.</p>
<p>I would rather think that we are the masters of our own fate, not that we are just puppets,   an exhibit in some alien&#8217;s zoo, or walled off from the rest of the Galaxy, and in some kind of quarantine as what Elizondo has hinted at seems to imply.</p>
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		By: Ben David		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2023 14:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know anything about the intelligence of supposed higher beings - given the sightings by humans they may need driving lessons. 

Or maybe their force-field shields are powered by those pesky lithium batteries and we only see them when *their* batteries go kablooey... So not to worry - we&#039;ll have something to bond over when they land in Washington...

...but there is delectable and all-too-human irony when people who spend their lives sneering at Biblical revelation find an untapped ability to &quot;suspend disbelief&quot; in modern space-opera fairy tales.... Often these same folks have invested much mind-time immersed in (and drawing their morals from) neo-medieval fantasy worlds, from the Tolkien franchise through Harry Potter and Game of Thrones - to say nothing of the gaming world of which I am.blissfully ignorant.

But nothing overtly Judeo-Christian please... We&#039;re too *sophisticated* for that.

&quot;When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.&quot;
G.K. Chesterton]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know anything about the intelligence of supposed higher beings &#8211; given the sightings by humans they may need driving lessons. </p>
<p>Or maybe their force-field shields are powered by those pesky lithium batteries and we only see them when *their* batteries go kablooey&#8230; So not to worry &#8211; we&#8217;ll have something to bond over when they land in Washington&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;but there is delectable and all-too-human irony when people who spend their lives sneering at Biblical revelation find an untapped ability to &#8220;suspend disbelief&#8221; in modern space-opera fairy tales&#8230;. Often these same folks have invested much mind-time immersed in (and drawing their morals from) neo-medieval fantasy worlds, from the Tolkien franchise through Harry Potter and Game of Thrones &#8211; to say nothing of the gaming world of which I am.blissfully ignorant.</p>
<p>But nothing overtly Judeo-Christian please&#8230; We&#8217;re too *sophisticated* for that.</p>
<p>&#8220;When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.&#8221;<br />
G.K. Chesterton</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2023 13:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I believe well over 50% of voters are on board with something like that. It would remove abortion from the Democrats list of strawmen arguments.&lt;/i&gt;
==
It&#039;s an insipid position and deserves to be discarded.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I believe well over 50% of voters are on board with something like that. It would remove abortion from the Democrats list of strawmen arguments.</i><br />
==<br />
It&#8217;s an insipid position and deserves to be discarded.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2023 13:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, I happen to think that the particular tiara pictured above is overdone and ugly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I happen to think that the particular tiara pictured above is overdone and ugly.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2023 13:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Brando!&lt;/b&gt; batteries, &lt;b&gt;They&#039;ve got electrolytes!&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Brando!</b> batteries, <b>They&#8217;ve got electrolytes!</b></p>
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		By: PA+Cat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2023 07:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Back to the lithium battery problem: Kate said @12:58 p.m., &quot;There have been numerous fires in NYC with e-bikes in apartment buildings.&quot;

Local news: Yale has just banned e-bikes etc. on campus: &quot;Under a new policy, electronic scooters, bikes and skateboards are no longer allowed in residential areas at Yale University. In a message to students, the university wrote that &#039;storing or charging them in densely populated residential spaces poses a severe fire and safety hazard.&#039; . . . A June fire at a New York City e-bike shop killed four people when it spread to apartments. Officials said the fire was sparked by a lithium-ion battery. &#039;As we start to see the proliferation of these, we’re starting to see the proliferation of after-market parts,&#039; New Haven Fire Chief John Alston said. &#039;People who bought these bikes a few years ago, the batteries are now depleted. They’re buying after-market batteries, after-market chargers.&#039;&quot;

https://www.wtnh.com/news/connecticut/new-haven/yale-bans-e-bikes-from-residential-areas-on-campus/

Other schools have already banned e-bikes: Fordham banned them last December, as did Boston College.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to the lithium battery problem: Kate said @12:58 p.m., &#8220;There have been numerous fires in NYC with e-bikes in apartment buildings.&#8221;</p>
<p>Local news: Yale has just banned e-bikes etc. on campus: &#8220;Under a new policy, electronic scooters, bikes and skateboards are no longer allowed in residential areas at Yale University. In a message to students, the university wrote that &#8216;storing or charging them in densely populated residential spaces poses a severe fire and safety hazard.&#8217; . . . A June fire at a New York City e-bike shop killed four people when it spread to apartments. Officials said the fire was sparked by a lithium-ion battery. &#8216;As we start to see the proliferation of these, we’re starting to see the proliferation of after-market parts,&#8217; New Haven Fire Chief John Alston said. &#8216;People who bought these bikes a few years ago, the batteries are now depleted. They’re buying after-market batteries, after-market chargers.'&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.wtnh.com/news/connecticut/new-haven/yale-bans-e-bikes-from-residential-areas-on-campus/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.wtnh.com/news/connecticut/new-haven/yale-bans-e-bikes-from-residential-areas-on-campus/</a></p>
<p>Other schools have already banned e-bikes: Fordham banned them last December, as did Boston College.</p>
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