Comments on: The debate: in the eye of the beholder https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/24/the-debate-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/ A blog about political change, among other things Fri, 25 Aug 2023 18:08:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: Steph https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/24/the-debate-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-2695750 Fri, 25 Aug 2023 18:08:55 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=128181#comment-2695750 Neo : Fox’s approach in general was often obnoxious and counterproductive.

I gave up on Fox at the first (IIRC) presidential debate in 2020. Not only was Chris Wallace an ass, but I recall this (paraphrased) exchange between Pete Buttigieg, Brett Baier, and Martha MacCallum prior to the beginning of the debate. Nice pushback guys.
PB: Donald Trump is the most racist president ever, evidenced by his words at Charlottsville.
BB, MM: … Well, we wish your candidate the best of luck!

]]> By: Betty https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/24/the-debate-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-2695722 Fri, 25 Aug 2023 15:51:54 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=128181#comment-2695722 I would have loved a WWF wrestling match! This format was awful and was an embarrassment in terms of showcasing Republicans to the American people. Ronna McDaniel has a lot to answer for since it was her organization that approved this catastrophe. Get her out!!!!!

]]> By: John Guilfoyle https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/24/the-debate-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-2695673 Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:46:18 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=128181#comment-2695673 So…is the Burgum guy this year’s candidate to be last cycle’s Mike Pence?
All the other dogs in the pack (not looking here at Hutchison, Christie or Pence) are too much enamoured with their own candidacy to stoop to a “warm bucket of spit” role in the White House or the campaign for that matter.
The two Indians are not going to put up playing second fiddle to POTUS Trump & DeSantis sure won’t either. That leaves Burgum.

Trump/Burgum 2024?

]]> By: Banned Lizard https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/24/the-debate-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-2695671 Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:21:19 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=128181#comment-2695671 Neo:

Although it’s true that Vivek’s “best president” statement was as blatantly obvious as calling Chris Christie a fat gob of goo, it was an appropriate reply to Bret Baier’s question of whether the candidates would support Trump if he is convicted by a blue city kangaroo court.

]]> By: AesopFan https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/24/the-debate-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-2695669 Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:05:17 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=128181#comment-2695669 Here’s some different views!

https://notthebee.com/article/trump-didnt-debate–heres-why-i-dont-like-it

https://notthebee.com/article/trump-didnt-debate–heres-why-i-liked-it

]]> By: AesopFan https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/24/the-debate-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-2695662 Fri, 25 Aug 2023 03:47:38 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=128181#comment-2695662 First – I didn’t watch the debate and probably won’t watch any going forward until at least summer of next year, unless I need to in order to vote in a primary. I don’t read polls either, until much closer to the election. The analysis gets outdated within a week. I’ll stick to the commentary of the Salon here, because that is more representative of the actual voting public than are the pundits, who also let their personal bias color their judgments. With the caveat that follows —

Second – reading the commentary here yesterday and today, I agree with the thrust of Neo’s post, and with this commenter:
https://www.thenewneo.com/2023/08/23/theres-a-gop-debate-tonight/#comment-2695490
MrsX on August 24, 2023 at 10:42 am said:
“I didn’t watch. Reading the comments here, it’s hard to believe y’all were watching the same event.”

I especially like that she spelled “y’all” correctly.
In the past, I’ve noted the same thing (conflicting views) after every debate over the several decades that I’ve been reading poli-blogs and following the news; it applies to the general election debates as well as to most speeches by Presidents and other important people (I first remember noticing it when the Media did not seem to be talking about a GWB speech that I had just watched myself); and it never changes.

Third – I agree with Chad’s ideas, although they are not unique; similar variants are proposed just about every election cycle (notice that is no longer “election year,” as Neo noted. See Jerry’s comment here:
https://www.thenewneo.com/2023/08/23/theres-a-gop-debate-tonight/#comment-2695485

@ Neo > “Fox’s approach in general was often obnoxious and counterproductive.”

Based on their past debates and election performances, I would say this is a feature not a bug, as the Foxies don’t want viewers to get a positive impression of any Republican candidate.

Too cynical, maybe?

]]> By: J.J. https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/24/the-debate-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-2695660 Fri, 25 Aug 2023 03:41:58 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=128181#comment-2695660 Vivek reminds me of many good fighter pilots I have known. He’s confident and cocky. It’s something that annoys a lot of people. But let’s face it, he has accomplished a lot in his short life. I like him and his willingness to take unpopular positions and defend them. On the other hand, I’m beginning to see some holes in his ideas. He’s got grandiose ideas (Get rid of the DOJ, FBI, IRS, and more!) that I doubt he can deliver on. If he could deliver on 10% it would be great, IMO. Anyway, I still like him as an idea man and speaker of truth, but he may not be ready for the big time. As Neo says, it’s a long time until the 2024 election.

What the national GOP needs to be doing is getting the people in place in the swing states and counties to fortify the election. It will take some big bucks but is worth the effort to stop the steal.

The Democrats have many NGOs, union members (mostly teachers and government employees), and paid employees that they use to harvest ballots, work the precincts, and oversee the counting. The GOP needs to match that effort.

Secondly, the GOP needs to construct a coherent argument on two issues that will make a difference with the moderates and undecideds.

Those two issues are climate change and abortion. The Democrats will use those two issues to get those votes because the GOP does not speak with a unified voice and clear position on those two issues. The Republicans will be cast, once again, as the party that wants to criminalize abortion and pollute the air with CO2 that causes AGW. And moderates or undecided voters will buy it. It won’t be easy, but if the GOP wants to win in 2024, we will have to overcome those claims.

]]> By: om https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/24/the-debate-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-2695657 Fri, 25 Aug 2023 03:30:32 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=128181#comment-2695657 So Vivek said the US munitions being sent to Ukraine should be kept in the US to protect our borders. Yep there is an imminent threat posed by Canada that is in need of 155 mm tubes and rounds, HIMARS rockets, M1A2 tanks, Bradley IFVs, Javelin and TOW ATGMs, Patriot missile systems, and so forth. And Mexico is even more of a threat. Otay.

Vivek knows how to pander to the Tucker club, but other than that his ignorance is manifest.

Making a bundle in biotech only goes, not far enough.

]]> By: neo https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/24/the-debate-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-2695654 Fri, 25 Aug 2023 03:15:39 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=128181#comment-2695654 Jerry:

I don’t know who the weasel is that you’re referring to – Christie? Everyone but Trump or Vivek? But it seems you prefer Biden to whoever this weasel is. Fascinating.

I don’t know about the way Twitter counts the views in terms of US versus the world. The article didn’t say. I’m going to assume it’s a worldwide total as opposed to the TV debate total which is in the US, but I don’t know. The main point for which I offered the quote had to do with how views themselves are counted; apparently, it doesn’t have to be much of a view to be counted. If I am reading the Twitter rules correctly, “multiple views may be counted if you view a Tweet more than once,” That would mean that a person could inflate the number of views by clicking on the video over and over and over again. That can’t be done with the debate view numbers.

]]> By: Abraxas https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/24/the-debate-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-2695651 Fri, 25 Aug 2023 02:48:36 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=128181#comment-2695651 The Democrats aren’t going to cancel the election. They will do everything else to win, but they recognize that election cancellation is something they can’t get away with.

I’ve always thought Michelle Obama would never run for president. She’s not interested. But it occurs to me that if she ran for vice president with Newsom, it would solve a lot of problems for the Democrats.

Trump will have to debate sometime. If he doesn’t, it will be a sign that he doesn’t really want to win but is just gratifying his ego. Not debating in the primary season would also put a lot more pressure on him when he has to debate the Democratic candidate (which he will have to do if he wants to win). So maybe DeSantis will shine, or maybe Trump will, or one of them will falter. That’s when the nomination race will be decided. It’s a problem if Trump sweeps the early primaries so well that the others give up without debating him. It would be comical if the one Trump had to debate would be Ramaswamy.

Headline on J. Podhoretz’s commentary: “Haley Dazzles, Vivek Annoys Effectively.” He may have nailed Vivek’s role in the campaign, but did he think he was watching a beauty pageant?

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