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		By: Brian E		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo-- Reagan promised to end the Dept. of Energy and Education. Didn&#039;t happen. Won&#039;t happen now, regardless of who proposes it. The courts, congress and the bureaucrat labor unions won&#039;t let it happen.

One of the challenges of those proposing strong national sovereignty, aka America First-- the forces of globalism.

Most Americans fail to think through what globalism will entail when fully implemented, rather than heartily endorsing the change in our way of life. I hope so anyway. 

At the core, the battle being waged against Trump, at its core, is Trump pushing back against the globalist agenda.

Here&#039;s a very disheartening conversation between Judge Napolitano and Alistar Cook on the globalism in Europe.

&lt;b&gt;Globalism Effects on U.S. &#038; Europe w/Alastair Crooke fmr Brit ambassador&lt;/b&gt;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYjte2drRnU]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo&#8211; Reagan promised to end the Dept. of Energy and Education. Didn&#8217;t happen. Won&#8217;t happen now, regardless of who proposes it. The courts, congress and the bureaucrat labor unions won&#8217;t let it happen.</p>
<p>One of the challenges of those proposing strong national sovereignty, aka America First&#8211; the forces of globalism.</p>
<p>Most Americans fail to think through what globalism will entail when fully implemented, rather than heartily endorsing the change in our way of life. I hope so anyway. </p>
<p>At the core, the battle being waged against Trump, at its core, is Trump pushing back against the globalist agenda.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a very disheartening conversation between Judge Napolitano and Alistar Cook on the globalism in Europe.</p>
<p><b>Globalism Effects on U.S. &amp; Europe w/Alastair Crooke fmr Brit ambassador</b></p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYjte2drRnU" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYjte2drRnU</a></p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2023 19:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TJ:

I’m not sure whether you really don’t understand what I wrote or whether you’re just interested in moving goalposts. I already explained the trajectory of our discussion, so I won&#039;t repeat myself. I’m in favor of most of what Trump did as president, and I certainly wrote plenty of posts about that. But he did not dismantle agencies, and other candidates – Ramaswamy and DeSantis in particular – are proposing to do just that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TJ:</p>
<p>I’m not sure whether you really don’t understand what I wrote or whether you’re just interested in moving goalposts. I already explained the trajectory of our discussion, so I won&#8217;t repeat myself. I’m in favor of most of what Trump did as president, and I certainly wrote plenty of posts about that. But he did not dismantle agencies, and other candidates – Ramaswamy and DeSantis in particular – are proposing to do just that.</p>
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		By: Frederick		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2023 14:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Bauxite:&lt;i&gt;Perfect is not on offer.&lt;/i&gt;

Strawman. I&#039;m not demanding perfection. I&#039;m demanding that the Republicans show they mean what they say by using all the levers they have to roll back what the Dems are doing, instead of bloviating and appropriating, when they occupy an office.

&lt;i&gt;The choice is between compromise and Joe Biden.&lt;/i&gt;

The voice of the serpent. &quot;Don&#039;t blame me, I voted for Kodos.&quot; The Dems are now the party of mutilating children and hiding from their parents what they are up to.  The compromises of the last 40 years got us this far down the slope. Your counsel is to embrace the leftward ratchet. The situation we are in now is the fruit of that counsel and by that fruit we know it.

Trump didn&#039;t put us here. Trump was a Hail Mary to try to get us out, which didn&#039;t work.   Until the Establishment understands that Trump was the symptom and not the disease, things will get worse before they get worse.

&lt;i&gt;By your won reasoning, it won’t make a difference.&lt;/i&gt;

Correct. We did not vote our way in, we compromised our way in. We won&#039;t vote our way out and it may soon be too late to fight.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bauxite:<i>Perfect is not on offer.</i></p>
<p>Strawman. I&#8217;m not demanding perfection. I&#8217;m demanding that the Republicans show they mean what they say by using all the levers they have to roll back what the Dems are doing, instead of bloviating and appropriating, when they occupy an office.</p>
<p><i>The choice is between compromise and Joe Biden.</i></p>
<p>The voice of the serpent. &#8220;Don&#8217;t blame me, I voted for Kodos.&#8221; The Dems are now the party of mutilating children and hiding from their parents what they are up to.  The compromises of the last 40 years got us this far down the slope. Your counsel is to embrace the leftward ratchet. The situation we are in now is the fruit of that counsel and by that fruit we know it.</p>
<p>Trump didn&#8217;t put us here. Trump was a Hail Mary to try to get us out, which didn&#8217;t work.   Until the Establishment understands that Trump was the symptom and not the disease, things will get worse before they get worse.</p>
<p><i>By your won reasoning, it won’t make a difference.</i></p>
<p>Correct. We did not vote our way in, we compromised our way in. We won&#8217;t vote our way out and it may soon be too late to fight.</p>
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		By: Frederick		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2023 14:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@neo:&lt;i&gt;No spending, ye olde “government shutdown” – what percentage of the population would support that? If the GOP did that, they’d lose Congress in addition to the presidency.&lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;re positing a very extreme line of action, and attributing it to me. Please don&#039;t do that. 

There&#039;s a lot of ground the Republicans could explore between &quot;rubberstamping the Dems&quot; and &quot;no spending of any kind and total shutdown&quot;. Could be as simple targeting pet Dem projects or Deep State actors like the FBI, unless concessions are made that restore liberty.

But if rolling back the Deep State makes the GOP so unpopular it loses elections, then the banana republic that&#039;s coming is what the voters want, and there&#039;s no way for them not to get it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@neo:<i>No spending, ye olde “government shutdown” – what percentage of the population would support that? If the GOP did that, they’d lose Congress in addition to the presidency.</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;re positing a very extreme line of action, and attributing it to me. Please don&#8217;t do that. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot of ground the Republicans could explore between &#8220;rubberstamping the Dems&#8221; and &#8220;no spending of any kind and total shutdown&#8221;. Could be as simple targeting pet Dem projects or Deep State actors like the FBI, unless concessions are made that restore liberty.</p>
<p>But if rolling back the Deep State makes the GOP so unpopular it loses elections, then the banana republic that&#8217;s coming is what the voters want, and there&#8217;s no way for them not to get it.</p>
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		By: TJ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2023 04:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo. “The definition of “dismantle” is to disassemble and take apart into pieces. That is what I’m talking about, that Trump didn’t do….” Come now. Surely you know the Uniparty wing of the Rs, including the powerful US Chamber of Commerce, and the taxpayer dollars sucked from Congress via increasingly DC-area corporate headquarters like Boeing,  tell you whose goose is getting cooked by the other branch. Ours.

Of course. one can intend building an ultimate border barrier or a ‘deconstruction of the administrative state’ all you want, but if Congress does not approve it, it won’t happen like you hoped. Or like We hoped.

Once more: “I never said that Trump did nothing to reduce the regulatory burden. I have no idea why you would interpret my remarks that way.”
Oh, please. I offered an evidence based measure and I called it historically unprecedented. Do you dispute that?

Instead, you impose your binary choice of “not nothing” or incomplete “disassembly”, which you know isn’t how practical politics is done, and thus an unreasonable imposition on the facts in evidence.

Temporising on Trump’s deregulation? According to my citation, Trump explicitly “called for both a moratorium on new regulations and an explicit process of review and repeal of unnecessary regulations, which some advisers referred to as ‘deconstruction of the administrative state.’ Since entering office, he has frequently revisited those themes.” 

And Trump did as he said. And the team pushed it as far as Capital Hill process allowed it to go. The gift of grift really is so great (Pace, Biden).

I recall that a review of Trump’s campaign promises by Law prof at Scalia School of Law, David Bernstein, found this libertarian pleasantly surprised by the very high numbers he kept. Underestimate Trump? I’ll say, do so at your own risk.


By the by, talking Bushites, has anyone heard any news from Sen. McConnell? He’s the ultimate compromising Uniparty leader… Health issues and replacement in the winds?

(PS THANKS for the sparring, partner!)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo. “The definition of “dismantle” is to disassemble and take apart into pieces. That is what I’m talking about, that Trump didn’t do….” Come now. Surely you know the Uniparty wing of the Rs, including the powerful US Chamber of Commerce, and the taxpayer dollars sucked from Congress via increasingly DC-area corporate headquarters like Boeing,  tell you whose goose is getting cooked by the other branch. Ours.</p>
<p>Of course. one can intend building an ultimate border barrier or a ‘deconstruction of the administrative state’ all you want, but if Congress does not approve it, it won’t happen like you hoped. Or like We hoped.</p>
<p>Once more: “I never said that Trump did nothing to reduce the regulatory burden. I have no idea why you would interpret my remarks that way.”<br />
Oh, please. I offered an evidence based measure and I called it historically unprecedented. Do you dispute that?</p>
<p>Instead, you impose your binary choice of “not nothing” or incomplete “disassembly”, which you know isn’t how practical politics is done, and thus an unreasonable imposition on the facts in evidence.</p>
<p>Temporising on Trump’s deregulation? According to my citation, Trump explicitly “called for both a moratorium on new regulations and an explicit process of review and repeal of unnecessary regulations, which some advisers referred to as ‘deconstruction of the administrative state.’ Since entering office, he has frequently revisited those themes.” </p>
<p>And Trump did as he said. And the team pushed it as far as Capital Hill process allowed it to go. The gift of grift really is so great (Pace, Biden).</p>
<p>I recall that a review of Trump’s campaign promises by Law prof at Scalia School of Law, David Bernstein, found this libertarian pleasantly surprised by the very high numbers he kept. Underestimate Trump? I’ll say, do so at your own risk.</p>
<p>By the by, talking Bushites, has anyone heard any news from Sen. McConnell? He’s the ultimate compromising Uniparty leader… Health issues and replacement in the winds?</p>
<p>(PS THANKS for the sparring, partner!)</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2023 03:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TJ:

Are you really trying to say that looking at Trump&#039;s mugshot is evidence of &lt;i&gt;support&lt;/i&gt; for him?  While I have no doubt that many people looking at it do indeed support him - and I expect them to wear the image on T-shirts and the like - there are also plenty of people loving to look at his mugshot who hate his guts and would be only too happy to see him in prison or even dead. They are in jubilation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TJ:</p>
<p>Are you really trying to say that looking at Trump&#8217;s mugshot is evidence of <i>support</i> for him?  While I have no doubt that many people looking at it do indeed support him &#8211; and I expect them to wear the image on T-shirts and the like &#8211; there are also plenty of people loving to look at his mugshot who hate his guts and would be only too happy to see him in prison or even dead. They are in jubilation.</p>
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		By: TJ		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/24/open-thread-8-24-23/#comment-2695664</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2023 03:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trump’s mugshot has been posted online. But after two hours, the original share has only been seen 34 million times. /sarc
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1694886846050771321

Saved file. 
And bookmarked.
Just as MTG did (photoshopping her mugshot pic in support), I am with Trump too. THIS FIGHT CAN BE WON!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trump’s mugshot has been posted online. But after two hours, the original share has only been seen 34 million times. /sarc<br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1694886846050771321" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1694886846050771321</a></p>
<p>Saved file.<br />
And bookmarked.<br />
Just as MTG did (photoshopping her mugshot pic in support), I am with Trump too. THIS FIGHT CAN BE WON!</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/24/open-thread-8-24-23/#comment-2695639</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2023 01:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frederick:

You write, &quot;Neo, this is not my &#039;accusation&#039;, this is the fact and you even acknowledged it.&quot; 

Indeed I did.  I never said your accusation wasn&#039;t a fact - what an odd thought, that an accusation can&#039;t be a fact.  Accusations are very commonly facts. It is only &lt;i&gt;false&lt;/i&gt; accusations that are not facts.

We were mainly discussing lawfare efforts, and that has been the focus of my comments to you.  You had written, &quot;the Republican Party has done nothing, despite whatever intentions or efforts, to change the reality of how the elections will work in the swing states.&quot; That was the reason I asked you to give examples of where and how they might have changed that.  You have not given an example, but then you brought up the debt ceiling, and I pointed out that doing what you suggest could have even worse consequences than not doing it.  We can certainly disagree on that. Now you are saying that the &quot;House right now can &#039;veto&#039; all legislation and spending by refusing to pass anything.&quot; No spending, ye olde &quot;government shutdown&quot; - what percentage of the population would support that? If the GOP did that, they&#039;d lose Congress in addition to the presidency.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frederick:</p>
<p>You write, &#8220;Neo, this is not my &#8216;accusation&#8217;, this is the fact and you even acknowledged it.&#8221; </p>
<p>Indeed I did.  I never said your accusation wasn&#8217;t a fact &#8211; what an odd thought, that an accusation can&#8217;t be a fact.  Accusations are very commonly facts. It is only <i>false</i> accusations that are not facts.</p>
<p>We were mainly discussing lawfare efforts, and that has been the focus of my comments to you.  You had written, &#8220;the Republican Party has done nothing, despite whatever intentions or efforts, to change the reality of how the elections will work in the swing states.&#8221; That was the reason I asked you to give examples of where and how they might have changed that.  You have not given an example, but then you brought up the debt ceiling, and I pointed out that doing what you suggest could have even worse consequences than not doing it.  We can certainly disagree on that. Now you are saying that the &#8220;House right now can &#8216;veto&#8217; all legislation and spending by refusing to pass anything.&#8221; No spending, ye olde &#8220;government shutdown&#8221; &#8211; what percentage of the population would support that? If the GOP did that, they&#8217;d lose Congress in addition to the presidency.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2023 01:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Hopes and promises ain’t performance.

--stan&lt;/i&gt;

One thing leads to another....
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&lt;i&gt;Wishin&#039; and hopin&#039; and thinkin&#039; and prayin&#039;
Plannin&#039; and dreamin&#039; each night of his charms
That won&#039;t get you into his arms

So if you&#039;re lookin&#039; to find love you can share
All you gotta do is
Hold him and kiss him and love him
And show him that you care

--Dusty Springfield, &quot;Wishin&#039; And Hopin&#039;&quot;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkhyXpZ22gM&lt;/i&gt;
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I&#039;ve never watched Springfield  perform. I was somewhat disconcerted by her mannikin mannerisms -- a little too &quot;uncanny valley.&quot;

But hey, it&#039;s Dusty. What a voice. I loved her as a kid. Still do. And it&#039;s a Burt Bacharach song. 

Talent was everywhere those days.

I wonder how the lyrics might apply to politics. I could do without the hugging and kissing, but I would like my candidates to care.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Hopes and promises ain’t performance.</p>
<p>&#8211;stan</i></p>
<p>One thing leads to another&#8230;.<br />
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<p><i>Wishin&#8217; and hopin&#8217; and thinkin&#8217; and prayin&#8217;<br />
Plannin&#8217; and dreamin&#8217; each night of his charms<br />
That won&#8217;t get you into his arms</p>
<p>So if you&#8217;re lookin&#8217; to find love you can share<br />
All you gotta do is<br />
Hold him and kiss him and love him<br />
And show him that you care</p>
<p>&#8211;Dusty Springfield, &#8220;Wishin&#8217; And Hopin'&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkhyXpZ22gM" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkhyXpZ22gM</a></i><br />
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<p>I&#8217;ve never watched Springfield  perform. I was somewhat disconcerted by her mannikin mannerisms &#8212; a little too &#8220;uncanny valley.&#8221;</p>
<p>But hey, it&#8217;s Dusty. What a voice. I loved her as a kid. Still do. And it&#8217;s a Burt Bacharach song. </p>
<p>Talent was everywhere those days.</p>
<p>I wonder how the lyrics might apply to politics. I could do without the hugging and kissing, but I would like my candidates to care.</p>
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		By: Bauxite		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frederick - Perfect is not on offer. The choice is between compromise and Joe Biden. 

And your 1-2 doesn&#039;t make any sense either. As soon as anyone argues that the MAGA candidate can&#039;t win, you insist that no Republican can win. If no Republican can win anyway, let the non-MAGA Rebublicans have the nomination and give it a try. By your won reasoning, it won&#039;t make a difference.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frederick &#8211; Perfect is not on offer. The choice is between compromise and Joe Biden. </p>
<p>And your 1-2 doesn&#8217;t make any sense either. As soon as anyone argues that the MAGA candidate can&#8217;t win, you insist that no Republican can win. If no Republican can win anyway, let the non-MAGA Rebublicans have the nomination and give it a try. By your won reasoning, it won&#8217;t make a difference.</p>
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