Comments on: The pro-Trump forces are at it again with a truncated and misleading DeSantis quote https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/21/the-pro-trump-forces-are-at-it-again-with-a-truncated-and-misleading-desantis-quote/ A blog about political change, among other things Wed, 23 Aug 2023 17:43:07 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: miguel cervantes https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/21/the-pro-trump-forces-are-at-it-again-with-a-truncated-and-misleading-desantis-quote/#comment-2695359 Wed, 23 Aug 2023 17:43:07 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=128113#comment-2695359 chisholm had clipped his wings severely, plus he hired the likes of liz mair, and other professional idiots, oh george will’s wife,

]]> By: BrooklynBoy https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/21/the-pro-trump-forces-are-at-it-again-with-a-truncated-and-misleading-desantis-quote/#comment-2695355 Wed, 23 Aug 2023 17:36:33 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=128113#comment-2695355 neo
“I never thought either Rick Perry or Scott Walker came across as ultra-ultra right while governors.”

Not as Governors. I was referring to both of them when they ran for the Republican nomination for President. As Governors they were practical, traditional conservatives. My point was that trying to win approval from the Trump faction made them say things that were frankly foolish and would be pinned on them if they won the nomination and had to face a national election.

]]> By: Frederick https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/21/the-pro-trump-forces-are-at-it-again-with-a-truncated-and-misleading-desantis-quote/#comment-2695347 Wed, 23 Aug 2023 16:52:43 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=128113#comment-2695347 @Bauxite:But we’ve now had four elections with Trump at the helm of the party.

Since when is Trump “at the helm of the party”? The Republican Party does not do his bidding and sabotaged many of his initiatives.

Trump ran for President and was President, yes, and of past Presidents like Reagan you could maybe say they were “at the helm of the party”. Trump is an outsider to the GOP and is treated like one.

But losing with Trump in 2024 is just dumb.

We will lose in 2024, with or without Trump, and yes it will be dumb, because the Republican Party is dumb and out of sync with reality. Reality is you get your ballots counted and the other guys’ excluded. Reality is that the Dems change the rules, and get Republicans indicted or otherwise hamstrung, wherever they have the power to do so. The Republican Party has accomplished nothing that would counter these things. It’s not because of Trump that they are failing. They have been failing at it for decades. Trump is the symptom, not the cause.

]]> By: neo https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/21/the-pro-trump-forces-are-at-it-again-with-a-truncated-and-misleading-desantis-quote/#comment-2695342 Wed, 23 Aug 2023 16:05:34 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=128113#comment-2695342 Brooklyn Boy:

I never thought either Rick Perry or Scott Walker came across as ultra-ultra right while governors.

]]> By: BrooklynBoy https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/21/the-pro-trump-forces-are-at-it-again-with-a-truncated-and-misleading-desantis-quote/#comment-2695331 Wed, 23 Aug 2023 13:53:57 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=128113#comment-2695331 @AesopFan
I agree with you. I recall Rick Perry (R. – TX) and Scott Walker (R. – WI) who were two successful governors coming across as ultra, ultra Right when in reality they were practical conservatives. Perry said something particularly stupid such as “Social Security is a Ponzi scheme” (it isn’t) and Walker at the GOP convention came across terribly, screaming like Rudy Giuliani would later at the 2016 GOP convention.

]]> By: AesopFan https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/21/the-pro-trump-forces-are-at-it-again-with-a-truncated-and-misleading-desantis-quote/#comment-2695318 Wed, 23 Aug 2023 05:28:16 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=128113#comment-2695318 @ Brooklyn Boy > “They have to mouth absurdities”

They don’t have to do anything; they choose to “mouth” something that they don’t actually believe in, then they deserve to lose.

My advice to politicians (which they won’t take):
Campaign on your own preferred policies, quit gaming the polls, and see how many people agree with you, rather than defrauding the public because you don’t think they are smart enough to know what they need and you have to fool them into voting for you for their own good.

]]> By: BrooklynBoy https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/21/the-pro-trump-forces-are-at-it-again-with-a-truncated-and-misleading-desantis-quote/#comment-2695228 Tue, 22 Aug 2023 17:44:39 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=128113#comment-2695228 Bauxite
“And yes, the crazy things that Trumpers make GOP candidates say to win their votes do make it more difficult to win the general election.”
That is so true and has been a major problem for Republican candidates. They have to mouth absurdities such as a total ban on abortion in all cases (including rape and incest) in order they think to please the most extreme base of the GOP only to find that in general elections they are stuck with absurdist positions. The Trumpers would prefer the Republican Party to lose if Trump is not the nominee. That is why Trump started praising Cuomo, Newsom, and Crist in order to trash DeSantis. Makes we wonder who is the real RINO?

]]> By: Bauxite https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/21/the-pro-trump-forces-are-at-it-again-with-a-truncated-and-misleading-desantis-quote/#comment-2695217 Tue, 22 Aug 2023 16:38:28 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=128113#comment-2695217 I Callahan – I will also add that you are not wrong about the pre-Trump GOP. But we’ve now had four elections with Trump at the helm of the party. We won the first by the literal skin of our teeth and have either lost or significantly underperformed in the other three.

It’s time to try something different. Something different doesn’t have to be a return to the pre-Trump status quo, and shouldn’t be. But losing with Trump in 2024 is just dumb.

]]> By: Bauxite https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/21/the-pro-trump-forces-are-at-it-again-with-a-truncated-and-misleading-desantis-quote/#comment-2695214 Tue, 22 Aug 2023 16:30:01 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=128113#comment-2695214 I Callahan – So who’s controlling this secret cabal that rigs elections in Georgia, is it Brian Kemp or Democrats? If it is Democrats, why isn’t Stacy Abrams governor? If it is Brian Kemp, explain how he managed to outperform Hershel Walker by seven points on the same ballot.

Your tinfoil hat is showing.

]]> By: om https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/21/the-pro-trump-forces-are-at-it-again-with-a-truncated-and-misleading-desantis-quote/#comment-2695208 Tue, 22 Aug 2023 15:32:28 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=128113#comment-2695208 I Callahan:

Projection, much?

Plank and mote.

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