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		By: rcat		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo: 

As you alluded to in another article, the leftist activists of the 60s failed because their views were in the minority. Hence they relied on the Law and free speech for protection — while they played the long game.

But now the long march through the institutions bares fruit. They have trained legions of activists who don’t understand the values and norms of a western democratic society. Once they wield the power of the majority, why should they accept restrictions on that power?

Besides, those who are ignorant about how their social arrangements work will never notice when those arrangements are being undermined.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo: </p>
<p>As you alluded to in another article, the leftist activists of the 60s failed because their views were in the minority. Hence they relied on the Law and free speech for protection — while they played the long game.</p>
<p>But now the long march through the institutions bares fruit. They have trained legions of activists who don’t understand the values and norms of a western democratic society. Once they wield the power of the majority, why should they accept restrictions on that power?</p>
<p>Besides, those who are ignorant about how their social arrangements work will never notice when those arrangements are being undermined.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2023 18:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[rcat:

Of course they are leftist activists and that&#039;s primary.  I think that almost goes without saying.  I don&#039;t know how old you are, but in my generation even most leftist activist lawyers had more respect for the law. They used it but were less inclined to twist it - although of course some people  did.  Now it&#039;s standard operating procedure and almost universal among leftists of later generations.

Just to take one example, in older generations leftist activists were more likely to respect the adversary system and didn&#039;t try to block people on the right from having legal representation, nor did they try to disbar lawyers on the right.  But this is very often the approach of leftist activists nowadays.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rcat:</p>
<p>Of course they are leftist activists and that&#8217;s primary.  I think that almost goes without saying.  I don&#8217;t know how old you are, but in my generation even most leftist activist lawyers had more respect for the law. They used it but were less inclined to twist it &#8211; although of course some people  did.  Now it&#8217;s standard operating procedure and almost universal among leftists of later generations.</p>
<p>Just to take one example, in older generations leftist activists were more likely to respect the adversary system and didn&#8217;t try to block people on the right from having legal representation, nor did they try to disbar lawyers on the right.  But this is very often the approach of leftist activists nowadays.</p>
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		By: rcat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2023 17:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo: My point is that it’s not the age and not the shame. In fact, a lot of millennials and gen-z’s value conformity to group norms. I believe that the key issue is their activism. They are on a mission to rid the world of a great evil. Even if they were sensitive to shame, they’d still do.

If you want to consider generational differences, I suggest that these people share the following:
1. They don’t understand how the “ends justifying the means” frequently ends badly.
2. They don’t stop to consider whether or not the enemy is evil at all.
3. They dehumanize the enemy and his supporters.
4. They don’t understand the values and norms of a western democratic society. And they don’t understand why those ideas matter. In particular, tearing down the justice system and undermining individual rights (e.g. free speech) destroy the foundations of the country, and the damage cannot be repaired peacefully.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo: My point is that it’s not the age and not the shame. In fact, a lot of millennials and gen-z’s value conformity to group norms. I believe that the key issue is their activism. They are on a mission to rid the world of a great evil. Even if they were sensitive to shame, they’d still do.</p>
<p>If you want to consider generational differences, I suggest that these people share the following:<br />
1. They don’t understand how the “ends justifying the means” frequently ends badly.<br />
2. They don’t stop to consider whether or not the enemy is evil at all.<br />
3. They dehumanize the enemy and his supporters.<br />
4. They don’t understand the values and norms of a western democratic society. And they don’t understand why those ideas matter. In particular, tearing down the justice system and undermining individual rights (e.g. free speech) destroy the foundations of the country, and the damage cannot be repaired peacefully.</p>
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		By: Abraxas		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2023 19:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Looking at my own family, those of us who were around in the Sixties and came of age in the Seventies have long been skeptical about &quot;The System&quot; and still are, even if we are far from accepting the radical politics of the Sixties.  

Those who were born in the Seventies and came of age in the Eighties aren&#039;t so skeptical or so cynical about the way things work, but they&#039;re also more likely to accept today&#039;s progressive ideas.

Of course, there are people even older who have bought into today&#039;s wokeism, and my family certainly isn&#039;t representative of the whole country, but it seems like what stays with people from their formative years isn&#039;t the explicit ideas and ideologies of that time, but a mood or a temperament: pessimistic or optimistic, skeptical or credulous.  Of course it could also be a result of birth order.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at my own family, those of us who were around in the Sixties and came of age in the Seventies have long been skeptical about &#8220;The System&#8221; and still are, even if we are far from accepting the radical politics of the Sixties.  </p>
<p>Those who were born in the Seventies and came of age in the Eighties aren&#8217;t so skeptical or so cynical about the way things work, but they&#8217;re also more likely to accept today&#8217;s progressive ideas.</p>
<p>Of course, there are people even older who have bought into today&#8217;s wokeism, and my family certainly isn&#8217;t representative of the whole country, but it seems like what stays with people from their formative years isn&#8217;t the explicit ideas and ideologies of that time, but a mood or a temperament: pessimistic or optimistic, skeptical or credulous.  Of course it could also be a result of birth order.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2023 18:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[rcat:

I certainly wasn&#039;t saying that it&#039;s ONLY people in that age group who would behave that way. I just think it&#039;s more common among prosecutors of that age group and younger.]]></description>
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<p>I certainly wasn&#8217;t saying that it&#8217;s ONLY people in that age group who would behave that way. I just think it&#8217;s more common among prosecutors of that age group and younger.</p>
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		By: rcat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2023 17:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RE: “They don’t care. They probably feel pride. I don’t know much about their backgrounds, but I do know that they are all about the same age: Bragg is 49, Smith is 52, and Willis is 54.”
An interesting observation, but David Weiss is 66. Metrics Garland is 70.

I’m sure these people don’t feel shame, but I believe that their age and upbringing isn’t the issue. Instead, I think that they’re true believers, willing to do whatever is necessary for the greater good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: “They don’t care. They probably feel pride. I don’t know much about their backgrounds, but I do know that they are all about the same age: Bragg is 49, Smith is 52, and Willis is 54.”<br />
An interesting observation, but David Weiss is 66. Metrics Garland is 70.</p>
<p>I’m sure these people don’t feel shame, but I believe that their age and upbringing isn’t the issue. Instead, I think that they’re true believers, willing to do whatever is necessary for the greater good.</p>
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		By: therealguyfaux		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2023 17:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I get what the author is trying to say, but I can very well see, e.g., Joe Biden being ashamed of Hunter not because Hunter is rotten, but for being too much of a loose cannon: &quot;You are an inept crook, Sonny Boy, so get your act together and do it right!&quot; I have no idea if it would work on Hunter, though... ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get what the author is trying to say, but I can very well see, e.g., Joe Biden being ashamed of Hunter not because Hunter is rotten, but for being too much of a loose cannon: &#8220;You are an inept crook, Sonny Boy, so get your act together and do it right!&#8221; I have no idea if it would work on Hunter, though&#8230; 😉</p>
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		By: Wes Dorman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2023 17:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a 55 year old Gen X member I don&#039;t think that has much to do with their lawlessness.   All ages of the Democratic Party and media (BIRM) are far left today, and if anything Gen X is more cynical and conservative than other generations, both of the Baby Boomers and Gen Y &#038; Z.    Barrett, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh are all Gen Xers and are pretty good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a 55 year old Gen X member I don&#8217;t think that has much to do with their lawlessness.   All ages of the Democratic Party and media (BIRM) are far left today, and if anything Gen X is more cynical and conservative than other generations, both of the Baby Boomers and Gen Y &amp; Z.    Barrett, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh are all Gen Xers and are pretty good.</p>
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		By: Cappy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2023 14:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Baby, you are setting yourself up for a Sumdge meme!  On the left, you yelling &quot;have you no shame&quot; at Bragg and Smith, and pointing.  On the right, said prosecutors blowing cigar smoke your way and grinning &quot;Nope!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baby, you are setting yourself up for a Sumdge meme!  On the left, you yelling &#8220;have you no shame&#8221; at Bragg and Smith, and pointing.  On the right, said prosecutors blowing cigar smoke your way and grinning &#8220;Nope!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2023 11:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The prospect of public shaming would more effective as a modifier of behavior if there were a shared set of expectations. The Trump prosecutors named earlier do not have to worry about being shamed in the eyes of their compatriots, or half the citizenry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The prospect of public shaming would more effective as a modifier of behavior if there were a shared set of expectations. The Trump prosecutors named earlier do not have to worry about being shamed in the eyes of their compatriots, or half the citizenry.</p>
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