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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2023 21:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mentus:

You ignore many of my arguments and come up with strawmen such as Evan McMullen.

NeverTrumpers were almost non-existent except among the punditry.  The vast vast majority of voters in the GOP voted for Trump, as all surveys indicate.  But you would like to ignore these facts.  

I voted for Trump and I plan to vote for him again if he is the nominee.  You have no idea what you&#039;re talking about. You have now proven yourself to be a troll and a huge time-waster.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mentus:</p>
<p>You ignore many of my arguments and come up with strawmen such as Evan McMullen.</p>
<p>NeverTrumpers were almost non-existent except among the punditry.  The vast vast majority of voters in the GOP voted for Trump, as all surveys indicate.  But you would like to ignore these facts.  </p>
<p>I voted for Trump and I plan to vote for him again if he is the nominee.  You have no idea what you&#8217;re talking about. You have now proven yourself to be a troll and a huge time-waster.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2023 21:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[om @ 5:09pm,

Give that man a cigar! Bing! Bing! Bing! We have a winner!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>om @ 5:09pm,</p>
<p>Give that man a cigar! Bing! Bing! Bing! We have a winner!</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2023 21:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mentus stokes the division and the turd party option.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mentus stokes the division and the turd party option.</p>
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		By: Mentus		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/09/those-truncated-desantis-quotes/#comment-2693732</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2023 21:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It’s cool for establishment shills to run Evan McMullen against Trump and risk helping the democrats but Trump is forbidden from doing the same thing?  Screw that.

Deal with him or lose for sure.  Support him and maybe win.  You’re lying to yourself if you see it differently.

Maybe you just can’t admit you’d rather lose supporting a dark horse candidate your progressive workmates don’t despise than win with their bete noire.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s cool for establishment shills to run Evan McMullen against Trump and risk helping the democrats but Trump is forbidden from doing the same thing?  Screw that.</p>
<p>Deal with him or lose for sure.  Support him and maybe win.  You’re lying to yourself if you see it differently.</p>
<p>Maybe you just can’t admit you’d rather lose supporting a dark horse candidate your progressive workmates don’t despise than win with their bete noire.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/09/those-truncated-desantis-quotes/#comment-2693727</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2023 21:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Potentially useful to  Democrat operative; encourage internecine warfare.  Talk up the Trump turd party option, stoke the hate towards de Santis.  Win win solution.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Potentially useful to  Democrat operative; encourage internecine warfare.  Talk up the Trump turd party option, stoke the hate towards de Santis.  Win win solution.</p>
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		By: Mentus		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2023 21:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;How nice for you, to be so all-knowing about the fact that those commenters are not stating what they mean.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That would be a &lt;i&gt;sick burn&lt;/i&gt; if you didn’t immediately undermine your own point:

&lt;blockquote&gt;And almost all Republicans held their collective noses in both 2016 and 2020 and voted for Trump.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Even the erstwhile Never Trumpers??  I don’t think so.

My point is &lt;i&gt;valid&lt;/i&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How nice for you, to be so all-knowing about the fact that those commenters are not stating what they mean.</p></blockquote>
<p>That would be a <i>sick burn</i> if you didn’t immediately undermine your own point:</p>
<blockquote><p>And almost all Republicans held their collective noses in both 2016 and 2020 and voted for Trump.</p></blockquote>
<p>Even the erstwhile Never Trumpers??  I don’t think so.</p>
<p>My point is <i>valid</i>.</p>
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		By: Mentus		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2023 20:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Oh, and then there is your own truncated quote.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Did the excised material undermine my argument?

Would leaving those words in detract from the point I was making??

The Trump Cultists, a minority of Trump supporters, are potentially useful.  I stand by that assessment.

I am very sorry that currently, the best lack all conviction while the worst are full of passionate intensity, but at this point its irresponsibly dangerous to deny it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Oh, and then there is your own truncated quote.</p></blockquote>
<p>Did the excised material undermine my argument?</p>
<p>Would leaving those words in detract from the point I was making??</p>
<p>The Trump Cultists, a minority of Trump supporters, are potentially useful.  I stand by that assessment.</p>
<p>I am very sorry that currently, the best lack all conviction while the worst are full of passionate intensity, but at this point its irresponsibly dangerous to deny it.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2023 20:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mentus:

So you think you read their minds?  How nice for you, to be so all-knowing about the fact that those commenters are not stating what they mean.

And almost all Republicans held their collective noses in both 2016 and 2020 and voted for Trump.  So your point is no point at all.  Not only that, but if Trump ends up being the GOP nominee this time, I believe that the vast vast majority of Republicans will hold their noses and vote for him again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mentus:</p>
<p>So you think you read their minds?  How nice for you, to be so all-knowing about the fact that those commenters are not stating what they mean.</p>
<p>And almost all Republicans held their collective noses in both 2016 and 2020 and voted for Trump.  So your point is no point at all.  Not only that, but if Trump ends up being the GOP nominee this time, I believe that the vast vast majority of Republicans will hold their noses and vote for him again.</p>
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		By: Mentus		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2023 20:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;many of these people now say if Trump isn’t the nominee they will NOT vote for the eventual nominee of the GOP no matter who it is. This to me is a “tell.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It’s mostly cheap talk, a bargaining  position, an ultimatum, a bluff.

But even if it isn’t cheap talk, so what?

We showed up and voted for the republican establishment shills, the execrable McCain and Romney.

It’s the republican establishment’s turn to hold its collective nose and pull the lever for Trump.

Or else burn it all down (&#060;&#060;cheap talk??)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>many of these people now say if Trump isn’t the nominee they will NOT vote for the eventual nominee of the GOP no matter who it is. This to me is a “tell.”</p></blockquote>
<p>It’s mostly cheap talk, a bargaining  position, an ultimatum, a bluff.</p>
<p>But even if it isn’t cheap talk, so what?</p>
<p>We showed up and voted for the republican establishment shills, the execrable McCain and Romney.</p>
<p>It’s the republican establishment’s turn to hold its collective nose and pull the lever for Trump.</p>
<p>Or else burn it all down (&lt;&lt;cheap talk??)</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2023 20:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mentus:

Oh, and then there is your own truncated quote.  You wrote that I wrote: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;I started noticing what could be called “Trump cultists”… those who defend him no matter what he does, and who attack everyone he attacks in follow-the-leader type fashion. And there are plenty of them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

However, this is the actual quote of what I wrote [emphasis added]:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I started noticing what could be called “Trump cultists” right from the beginning of Trump’s candidacy in 2015. &lt;b&gt;That does not describe all or probably even most Trump supporters.&lt;/b&gt; But it describes those who defend him no matter what he does, and who attack everyone he attacks in follow-the-leader type fashion. And there are plenty of them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mentus:</p>
<p>Oh, and then there is your own truncated quote.  You wrote that I wrote: </p>
<blockquote><p>I started noticing what could be called “Trump cultists”… those who defend him no matter what he does, and who attack everyone he attacks in follow-the-leader type fashion. And there are plenty of them.</p></blockquote>
<p>However, this is the actual quote of what I wrote [emphasis added]:</p>
<blockquote><p>I started noticing what could be called “Trump cultists” right from the beginning of Trump’s candidacy in 2015. <b>That does not describe all or probably even most Trump supporters.</b> But it describes those who defend him no matter what he does, and who attack everyone he attacks in follow-the-leader type fashion. And there are plenty of them.</p></blockquote>
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