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		By: Jordan Rivers		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2023 05:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have to replace a brake light on my car. You Tube tells me to handle the new bulb with gloves, lest my skin oils cause it to fail prematurely.

Maybe writing the date on a bulb with a Sharpie is not a good idea?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to replace a brake light on my car. You Tube tells me to handle the new bulb with gloves, lest my skin oils cause it to fail prematurely.</p>
<p>Maybe writing the date on a bulb with a Sharpie is not a good idea?</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2023 03:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sagan --&#062;  Satan --&#062; Hmm... :-)

--Saturday Night Live, &quot;Could it be Satan?&quot;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_mePjkQW_c]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sagan &#8211;&gt;  Satan &#8211;&gt; Hmm&#8230; 🙂</p>
<p>&#8211;Saturday Night Live, &#8220;Could it be Satan?&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_mePjkQW_c" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_mePjkQW_c</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2023 03:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ jon baker et al &#062; &quot;I believe in a really BIG God. Aliens, one way or the other, are no threat to that.&quot;

Other inhabited worlds are not a theological problem for my church.  Latter-day Saints may be the only denomination that officially believes in extraterrestrial life, although the doctrine is silent on UFOs.

Technically speaking, of course, angels are extraterrestrial beings, and most Christians accept their existence.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/moses/1?lang=eng
&lt;blockquote&gt;1 The words of God, which he spake unto Moses at a time when Moses was caught up into an exceedingly high mountain,

2 And he saw God face to face, and he talked with him, and the glory of God was upon Moses; therefore Moses could endure his presence.

3 And God spake unto Moses, saying: Behold, I am the Lord God Almighty, and Endless is my name; for I am without beginning of days or end of years; and is not this endless?

4 And, behold, thou art my son; wherefore look, and I will show thee the workmanship of mine hands; but not all, for my works are without end, and also my words, for they never cease.
...
8 And it came to pass that Moses looked, and beheld the world upon which he was created; and Moses beheld the world and the ends thereof, and all the children of men which are, and which were created; of the same he greatly marveled and wondered.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
(The ellipsis includes an attempt by Satan to get Moses to worship him, but he can&#039;t compete with the Glory of God.)
&lt;blockquote&gt;
...
27 And it came to pass, as the voice was still speaking, Moses cast his eyes and beheld the earth, yea, even all of it; and there was not a particle of it which he did not behold, discerning it by the Spirit of God.

28 And he beheld also the inhabitants thereof, and there was not a soul which he beheld not; and he discerned them by the Spirit of God; and their numbers were great, even numberless as the sand upon the sea shore.

29 &lt;b&gt;And he beheld many lands; and each land was called earth, and there were inhabitants on the face thereof.&lt;/b&gt;

30 And it came to pass that Moses called upon God, saying: Tell me, I pray thee, why these things are so, and by what thou madest them?

31 And behold, the glory of the Lord was upon Moses, so that Moses stood in the presence of God, and talked with him face to face. And the Lord God said unto Moses: For mine own purpose have I made these things. Here is wisdom and it remaineth in me.

32 And by the word of my power, have I created them, which is mine Only Begotten Son, who is full of grace and truth.

&lt;b&gt;33 And worlds without number have I created; and I also created them for mine own purpose; and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten.&lt;/b&gt;

34 And the first man of all men have I called Adam, which is many.

35 But only an account of this earth, and the inhabitants thereof, give I unto you. &lt;b&gt;For behold, there are many worlds that have passed away by the word of my power. And there are many that now stand, and innumerable are they unto man; but all things are numbered unto me, for they are mine and I know them.&lt;/b&gt;

36 And it came to pass that Moses spake unto the Lord, saying: Be merciful unto thy servant, O God, and tell me concerning this earth, and the inhabitants thereof, and also the heavens, and then thy servant will be content.

37 And the Lord God spake unto Moses, saying: &lt;b&gt;The heavens, they are many, and they cannot be numbered unto man; but they are numbered unto me, for they are mine.

38 And as one earth shall pass away, and the heavens thereof even so shall another come; and there is no end to my works, neither to my words.&lt;/b&gt;

39 For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ jon baker et al &gt; &#8220;I believe in a really BIG God. Aliens, one way or the other, are no threat to that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Other inhabited worlds are not a theological problem for my church.  Latter-day Saints may be the only denomination that officially believes in extraterrestrial life, although the doctrine is silent on UFOs.</p>
<p>Technically speaking, of course, angels are extraterrestrial beings, and most Christians accept their existence.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/moses/1?lang=eng" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/moses/1?lang=eng</a></p>
<blockquote><p>1 The words of God, which he spake unto Moses at a time when Moses was caught up into an exceedingly high mountain,</p>
<p>2 And he saw God face to face, and he talked with him, and the glory of God was upon Moses; therefore Moses could endure his presence.</p>
<p>3 And God spake unto Moses, saying: Behold, I am the Lord God Almighty, and Endless is my name; for I am without beginning of days or end of years; and is not this endless?</p>
<p>4 And, behold, thou art my son; wherefore look, and I will show thee the workmanship of mine hands; but not all, for my works are without end, and also my words, for they never cease.<br />
&#8230;<br />
8 And it came to pass that Moses looked, and beheld the world upon which he was created; and Moses beheld the world and the ends thereof, and all the children of men which are, and which were created; of the same he greatly marveled and wondered.
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<p>(The ellipsis includes an attempt by Satan to get Moses to worship him, but he can&#8217;t compete with the Glory of God.)</p>
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&#8230;<br />
27 And it came to pass, as the voice was still speaking, Moses cast his eyes and beheld the earth, yea, even all of it; and there was not a particle of it which he did not behold, discerning it by the Spirit of God.</p>
<p>28 And he beheld also the inhabitants thereof, and there was not a soul which he beheld not; and he discerned them by the Spirit of God; and their numbers were great, even numberless as the sand upon the sea shore.</p>
<p>29 <b>And he beheld many lands; and each land was called earth, and there were inhabitants on the face thereof.</b></p>
<p>30 And it came to pass that Moses called upon God, saying: Tell me, I pray thee, why these things are so, and by what thou madest them?</p>
<p>31 And behold, the glory of the Lord was upon Moses, so that Moses stood in the presence of God, and talked with him face to face. And the Lord God said unto Moses: For mine own purpose have I made these things. Here is wisdom and it remaineth in me.</p>
<p>32 And by the word of my power, have I created them, which is mine Only Begotten Son, who is full of grace and truth.</p>
<p><b>33 And worlds without number have I created; and I also created them for mine own purpose; and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten.</b></p>
<p>34 And the first man of all men have I called Adam, which is many.</p>
<p>35 But only an account of this earth, and the inhabitants thereof, give I unto you. <b>For behold, there are many worlds that have passed away by the word of my power. And there are many that now stand, and innumerable are they unto man; but all things are numbered unto me, for they are mine and I know them.</b></p>
<p>36 And it came to pass that Moses spake unto the Lord, saying: Be merciful unto thy servant, O God, and tell me concerning this earth, and the inhabitants thereof, and also the heavens, and then thy servant will be content.</p>
<p>37 And the Lord God spake unto Moses, saying: <b>The heavens, they are many, and they cannot be numbered unto man; but they are numbered unto me, for they are mine.</p>
<p>38 And as one earth shall pass away, and the heavens thereof even so shall another come; and there is no end to my works, neither to my words.</b></p>
<p>39 For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/01/open-thread-8-1-23/#comment-2691512</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2023 03:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: Sinatra / &quot;It Was a Very Good Year&quot;

AesopFan:

Long ago I looked up the lyrics to that song and discovered that those sad, short autumn days occurred after singer was 35!
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&lt;i&gt;[Verse 3]
&lt;b&gt;When I was thirty-five&lt;/b&gt;
It was a very good year
It was a very good year for blue-blooded girls
Of independent means
We&#039;d ride in limousines
Their chauffeurs would drive
When I was thirty-five&lt;/i&gt;
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Yep, it&#039;s all downhill after you&#039;re 35!

I confess I missed the blue-blooded girls, chauffeurs and limousines phase.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Sinatra / &#8220;It Was a Very Good Year&#8221;</p>
<p>AesopFan:</p>
<p>Long ago I looked up the lyrics to that song and discovered that those sad, short autumn days occurred after singer was 35!<br />
_______________________</p>
<p><i>[Verse 3]<br />
<b>When I was thirty-five</b><br />
It was a very good year<br />
It was a very good year for blue-blooded girls<br />
Of independent means<br />
We&#8217;d ride in limousines<br />
Their chauffeurs would drive<br />
When I was thirty-five</i><br />
_______________________</p>
<p>Yep, it&#8217;s all downhill after you&#8217;re 35!</p>
<p>I confess I missed the blue-blooded girls, chauffeurs and limousines phase.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2023 03:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ OBH &#062; &quot;next year, try doing as many new things as you can, and see if the time passes more gradually&quot;

Sinatra had a song for you.
https://genius.com/Frank-sinatra-it-was-a-very-good-year-lyrics
[Verse 4]
But now the days are short
I&#039;m in the autumn of the year
And now I think of my life as vintage wine
From fine old kegs
From the brim to the dregs
It poured sweet and clear
It was a very good year]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ OBH &gt; &#8220;next year, try doing as many new things as you can, and see if the time passes more gradually&#8221;</p>
<p>Sinatra had a song for you.<br />
<a href="https://genius.com/Frank-sinatra-it-was-a-very-good-year-lyrics" rel="nofollow ugc">https://genius.com/Frank-sinatra-it-was-a-very-good-year-lyrics</a><br />
[Verse 4]<br />
But now the days are short<br />
I&#8217;m in the autumn of the year<br />
And now I think of my life as vintage wine<br />
From fine old kegs<br />
From the brim to the dregs<br />
It poured sweet and clear<br />
It was a very good year</p>
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		By: R2L		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/08/01/open-thread-8-1-23/#comment-2691509</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2023 03:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OBH: Time perception is tied to the number of unique experiences we have.

So instead of reading Neo&#039;s posts, and commenters, for one to two hours most every night, I should find something new to do instead?

Sounds somewhat reasonable, especially if this book is correct:  Andy Clark:  The Experience Machine: How Our Minds Predict and Shape Reality [2023]  $23/$15 Kindle.  https://www.amazon.com/Experience-Machine-Minds-Predict-Reality/dp/1524748455?ref_=ast_slp_dp  
I have not bought or read this yet, but the Amazon blurb and reviewers suggest a major fraction of our sensory perceptions are our brain predicting what we should be sensing, based on memory and past experience, and then confirming or revising our brain management to align with that (same or altered) real exposure.

So, with no changes from predicted results, less brain impact occurs to register that time has past.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OBH: Time perception is tied to the number of unique experiences we have.</p>
<p>So instead of reading Neo&#8217;s posts, and commenters, for one to two hours most every night, I should find something new to do instead?</p>
<p>Sounds somewhat reasonable, especially if this book is correct:  Andy Clark:  The Experience Machine: How Our Minds Predict and Shape Reality [2023]  $23/$15 Kindle.  <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Experience-Machine-Minds-Predict-Reality/dp/1524748455?ref_=ast_slp_dp" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.amazon.com/Experience-Machine-Minds-Predict-Reality/dp/1524748455?ref_=ast_slp_dp</a><br />
I have not bought or read this yet, but the Amazon blurb and reviewers suggest a major fraction of our sensory perceptions are our brain predicting what we should be sensing, based on memory and past experience, and then confirming or revising our brain management to align with that (same or altered) real exposure.</p>
<p>So, with no changes from predicted results, less brain impact occurs to register that time has past.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2023 03:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BTW, It&#039;s Tuesday!

&lt;i&gt;--The Moody Blues, &quot;Tuesday Afternoon &lt;b&gt;(Forever Afternoon)&lt;/b&gt;&quot;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEMuAnFH_lM&lt;/i&gt;

The Moodies really nailed timelessness in that cut.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, It&#8217;s Tuesday!</p>
<p><i>&#8211;The Moody Blues, &#8220;Tuesday Afternoon <b>(Forever Afternoon)</b>&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEMuAnFH_lM" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEMuAnFH_lM</a></i></p>
<p>The Moodies really nailed timelessness in that cut.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2023 02:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; Time perception is tied to the number of unique experiences we have.

-OBloodyHell &lt;/i&gt;

Seriously. This is one of the reasons I&#039;m learning French. Each day is jam-packed with new words, new  grammar, new songs, new insights.

Today I&#039;m thinking, &quot;It&#039;s Tuesday? But the weekend was so long ago.&quot;

Of course, I&#039;m not sure this would work for other languages...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Time perception is tied to the number of unique experiences we have.</p>
<p>-OBloodyHell </i></p>
<p>Seriously. This is one of the reasons I&#8217;m learning French. Each day is jam-packed with new words, new  grammar, new songs, new insights.</p>
<p>Today I&#8217;m thinking, &#8220;It&#8217;s Tuesday? But the weekend was so long ago.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, I&#8217;m not sure this would work for other languages&#8230;</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2023 02:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[}}} re: &lt;b&gt;&quot;Why Time Goes By Faster As We Age&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

This does not even discuss something I would say seems almost a certainty -- &lt;i&gt;Time perception is tied to the number of &lt;b&gt;unique experiences&lt;/b&gt; we have.&lt;/i&gt;

That is, the more &quot;new stuff&quot; you do, the more you remember the time you spent. Which means you perceive time as passing slower.

Obviously, when young, &lt;i&gt;everything&lt;/i&gt; is &quot;new&quot;. This proceeds even into your early 20s, because you gain additional options that you did not have before -- you get to drive places, which you could not do before at will. Hence you have lots of new experiences to add to your memory collection. You get to vote, to own property, and so on.

Slowly, there is a reduction in &quot;novel&quot; experiences, and thus fewer memories to form, so the perception of time is that it went by faster to you.

As you get older, you also tend to be more, well, &quot;lazy&quot; or &quot;tired&quot; or just &quot;physically unable&quot; to do things you might have tried or done before... I love snow skiing, but have been advised, due to issues with my neck&#039;s spinal column, that it would be a bad idea to do. I&#039;m assuming parachuting would also be discouraged. So I can&#039;t have any novel experiences doing either of those things.

I have no empirical evidence towards this assertion, but it &lt;i&gt;feels&lt;/i&gt; highly relevant to how I perceive the passage of time. There are far more &quot;memory holes&quot; where nothing happened, so time has less of a record of passing in my brain. It&#039;s just suddenly &quot;gone&quot;, passed by. So it feels like it went by faster, even though I did things, I just didn&#039;t have any reason to really record them in my head.

I believe anyone can make their own test of this... next year, try doing as many new things as you can, and see if the time passes more gradually. Probably still faster than when under 20 -- virtually &lt;i&gt;everything&lt;/i&gt; was new to you, then, but it should be at least more like it was when you were 30 to 50 (LOLZ, I&#039;m assuming you&#039;re already over 50 if you&#039;re making this complaint)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>}}} re: <b>&#8220;Why Time Goes By Faster As We Age&#8221;</b></p>
<p>This does not even discuss something I would say seems almost a certainty &#8212; <i>Time perception is tied to the number of <b>unique experiences</b> we have.</i></p>
<p>That is, the more &#8220;new stuff&#8221; you do, the more you remember the time you spent. Which means you perceive time as passing slower.</p>
<p>Obviously, when young, <i>everything</i> is &#8220;new&#8221;. This proceeds even into your early 20s, because you gain additional options that you did not have before &#8212; you get to drive places, which you could not do before at will. Hence you have lots of new experiences to add to your memory collection. You get to vote, to own property, and so on.</p>
<p>Slowly, there is a reduction in &#8220;novel&#8221; experiences, and thus fewer memories to form, so the perception of time is that it went by faster to you.</p>
<p>As you get older, you also tend to be more, well, &#8220;lazy&#8221; or &#8220;tired&#8221; or just &#8220;physically unable&#8221; to do things you might have tried or done before&#8230; I love snow skiing, but have been advised, due to issues with my neck&#8217;s spinal column, that it would be a bad idea to do. I&#8217;m assuming parachuting would also be discouraged. So I can&#8217;t have any novel experiences doing either of those things.</p>
<p>I have no empirical evidence towards this assertion, but it <i>feels</i> highly relevant to how I perceive the passage of time. There are far more &#8220;memory holes&#8221; where nothing happened, so time has less of a record of passing in my brain. It&#8217;s just suddenly &#8220;gone&#8221;, passed by. So it feels like it went by faster, even though I did things, I just didn&#8217;t have any reason to really record them in my head.</p>
<p>I believe anyone can make their own test of this&#8230; next year, try doing as many new things as you can, and see if the time passes more gradually. Probably still faster than when under 20 &#8212; virtually <i>everything</i> was new to you, then, but it should be at least more like it was when you were 30 to 50 (LOLZ, I&#8217;m assuming you&#8217;re already over 50 if you&#8217;re making this complaint)</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frederick  says it&#039;s just one essential part of the entire product that is poorly, designed, or poorly built, or intended to fail, not the light emmiting diodes that fail.

Wonderful, it gives no light.  

Other than that, it is progress.  Thank you DOE!  Now the DOE moves on to water heaters, toilets, gas stoves, washing machines, dish washers.  They &quot;save&quot; energy, but just don&#039;t do the job they are intended to do, and used to do.  Progress!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frederick  says it&#8217;s just one essential part of the entire product that is poorly, designed, or poorly built, or intended to fail, not the light emmiting diodes that fail.</p>
<p>Wonderful, it gives no light.  </p>
<p>Other than that, it is progress.  Thank you DOE!  Now the DOE moves on to water heaters, toilets, gas stoves, washing machines, dish washers.  They &#8220;save&#8221; energy, but just don&#8217;t do the job they are intended to do, and used to do.  Progress!</p>
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