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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2023 13:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[meanwhile

https://twitter.com/WeTheBrandon/status/1685680052329971712]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>meanwhile</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/29/open-thread-7-29-23/#comment-2691224</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2023 13:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[you need to show me something much more advanced than highly maneuverable craft, assume they are explorers like magellan or columbus, but the distances are magnitutudes greater,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you need to show me something much more advanced than highly maneuverable craft, assume they are explorers like magellan or columbus, but the distances are magnitutudes greater,</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2023 13:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RE:  Reverse engineering alien technology

One approach which has been mentioned by several sources is that, in the face of alien technology which--given current scientific theories and knowledge--is impossible to understand or to even replicate, the strategy is to work on reverse engineering for some specific amount of time, and if no real progress can be made, to put the alien technology aside for a period of years and, then, to bring it out and start to work on it again--hoping that the scientific progress in the intervening years will make some understanding and breakthroughs possible, and to keep repeating the cycle hoping that, eventually, some breakthrough will occur.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  Reverse engineering alien technology</p>
<p>One approach which has been mentioned by several sources is that, in the face of alien technology which&#8211;given current scientific theories and knowledge&#8211;is impossible to understand or to even replicate, the strategy is to work on reverse engineering for some specific amount of time, and if no real progress can be made, to put the alien technology aside for a period of years and, then, to bring it out and start to work on it again&#8211;hoping that the scientific progress in the intervening years will make some understanding and breakthroughs possible, and to keep repeating the cycle hoping that, eventually, some breakthrough will occur.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2023 12:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Huxley—Of course, the idea that some small select group of people who might have started out legit, but then managed to reverse engineer alien technology in the deepest secrecy--gone rogue, their activities thereafter unknown and unreported to the normal authorities--and, since then, have been pursuing their own ends, separate from our main civilization—unlimited energy, their own “secret space program,” bases on the moon, and elsewhere in our solar system, routine travel to other solar systems—has been proposed as a possibility by long time UFO historian and analyst, Richard Dolan, who calls this a ”Breakaway Civilization” ”

Dolan, by the way, has been studying the UFO  phenomenon for more than 30 years, has written several books about the UFO phenomenon, among them well a well regarded series of books chronicling the history of the Federal government&#039;s involvement with UFOs, and is not some wild-eyed, arms windmilling, ranting, crazy type, but from what I have observed, seems to be be a very intelligent, rational, very articulate, well-spoken, and well-informed person. 

If such a breakaway civilization did exist, it would certainly have, to coin a phrase, “every incentive in the world” to keep everything about UFOs and their activities as secret as possible, and the actual authorities and the public uninformed, in the dark, confused, and misdirected. *

So, if some of the UFOs we see flying around are not actual aliens but ships--alien reproduction vehicles? from a  breakaway civilization, what kind of interactions do the members of this supposed breakaway civilization have with the real aliens?

*  See https://www.facebook.com/reel/517417719925570

and for a much more in depth exploration of this idea  see   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsPIBD6plBg]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huxley—Of course, the idea that some small select group of people who might have started out legit, but then managed to reverse engineer alien technology in the deepest secrecy&#8211;gone rogue, their activities thereafter unknown and unreported to the normal authorities&#8211;and, since then, have been pursuing their own ends, separate from our main civilization—unlimited energy, their own “secret space program,” bases on the moon, and elsewhere in our solar system, routine travel to other solar systems—has been proposed as a possibility by long time UFO historian and analyst, Richard Dolan, who calls this a ”Breakaway Civilization” ”</p>
<p>Dolan, by the way, has been studying the UFO  phenomenon for more than 30 years, has written several books about the UFO phenomenon, among them well a well regarded series of books chronicling the history of the Federal government&#8217;s involvement with UFOs, and is not some wild-eyed, arms windmilling, ranting, crazy type, but from what I have observed, seems to be be a very intelligent, rational, very articulate, well-spoken, and well-informed person. </p>
<p>If such a breakaway civilization did exist, it would certainly have, to coin a phrase, “every incentive in the world” to keep everything about UFOs and their activities as secret as possible, and the actual authorities and the public uninformed, in the dark, confused, and misdirected. *</p>
<p>So, if some of the UFOs we see flying around are not actual aliens but ships&#8211;alien reproduction vehicles? from a  breakaway civilization, what kind of interactions do the members of this supposed breakaway civilization have with the real aliens?</p>
<p>*  See <a href="https://www.facebook.com/reel/517417719925570" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.facebook.com/reel/517417719925570</a></p>
<p>and for a much more in depth exploration of this idea  see   <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsPIBD6plBg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsPIBD6plBg</a></p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2023 03:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: Reverse engineering UFOs

This has been kicking around for decades. One would think that if some nation had successfully done so, we would see some huge discontinuous jumps in technology, particularly related to air/space craft. Possibly even world-dominating weapons.

However, while we have developed tech that would look like magic to humans 500 years ago, everything I know of -- like semiconductors and computers -- have human pedigrees.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Reverse engineering UFOs</p>
<p>This has been kicking around for decades. One would think that if some nation had successfully done so, we would see some huge discontinuous jumps in technology, particularly related to air/space craft. Possibly even world-dominating weapons.</p>
<p>However, while we have developed tech that would look like magic to humans 500 years ago, everything I know of &#8212; like semiconductors and computers &#8212; have human pedigrees.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2023 01:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sow on Pine:

&lt;b&gt;(Corrected) Analyzing UFO Misinformation - An Intelligence Approach - Ryan McBeth&lt;/b&gt;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlQYnp9L9u

No timestamps are available, so here is his summary and sources;

&lt;i&gt;
&quot;Based on the analysis, I believe that there is almost no chance (a 0-5% chance) that intelligent life has visited Earth.  
1. There seems to be a scarcity of life.
2. Earth may be difficult to detect.
3. The motivation of an alien to travel to Earth may be limited to defense - which means that the only reason we are alive as a species is that we havn&#039;t been visted.

Special thanks to:
Dr. Oisín Creaner, Assistant Professor in Physical Sciences at Dublin City University
Professor Marco Thiel, PhD, University of Aberdeen (UK)
Andy Silber, PhD 
PhD Student Robin Mentel, University College Dublin
PhD Student Ethan from Northumbria University.
PhD Student Roland Timmerman from Leiden Observatory
Keane Halls from Bangor University
Scott Madison, a “Smarty-Pants” from New Mexico Tech
Ryan Frazee, Cosmologist, University of Kansas
And Brian Drourr, professional astrophotographer

Any mistakes I have made are solely my own.&quot;

Ryan McBeth&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

om comment:

Water off  a duck.  Whack, whack.

Knowing how to blockquote the content from Ryan McBeth would be handy, but it&#039;s not my day job.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sow on Pine:</p>
<p><b>(Corrected) Analyzing UFO Misinformation &#8211; An Intelligence Approach &#8211; Ryan McBeth</b></p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlQYnp9L9u" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlQYnp9L9u</a></p>
<p>No timestamps are available, so here is his summary and sources;</p>
<p><i><br />
&#8220;Based on the analysis, I believe that there is almost no chance (a 0-5% chance) that intelligent life has visited Earth.<br />
1. There seems to be a scarcity of life.<br />
2. Earth may be difficult to detect.<br />
3. The motivation of an alien to travel to Earth may be limited to defense &#8211; which means that the only reason we are alive as a species is that we havn&#8217;t been visted.</p>
<p>Special thanks to:<br />
Dr. Oisín Creaner, Assistant Professor in Physical Sciences at Dublin City University<br />
Professor Marco Thiel, PhD, University of Aberdeen (UK)<br />
Andy Silber, PhD<br />
PhD Student Robin Mentel, University College Dublin<br />
PhD Student Ethan from Northumbria University.<br />
PhD Student Roland Timmerman from Leiden Observatory<br />
Keane Halls from Bangor University<br />
Scott Madison, a “Smarty-Pants” from New Mexico Tech<br />
Ryan Frazee, Cosmologist, University of Kansas<br />
And Brian Drourr, professional astrophotographer</p>
<p>Any mistakes I have made are solely my own.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ryan McBeth&#8221;</i></p>
<p>om comment:</p>
<p>Water off  a duck.  Whack, whack.</p>
<p>Knowing how to blockquote the content from Ryan McBeth would be handy, but it&#8217;s not my day job.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/29/open-thread-7-29-23/#comment-2691196</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2023 01:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RE: Reverse Engineering UFOs

If we have, indeed, had possession of UFOs, and have been trying to reverse engineer them,—for some 80 years now— what progress has been made?

Some people talk about there being “alien reproduction vehicles,” which presumes that we have, indeed, been able to reproduce—if not to understand—some level of alien technology.  
 
But, I have no idea if this is true.

However, it has been said that, in order to keep these crash retrievals and reverse engineering  programs so secret, the pool of scientists who have been able to get high enough clearance to work on this reverse engineering effort has been very limited, which might have had the result of severely limiting progress.

Stanford scientist Dr. Garry Nolan has pointed out that allowing the scientific community, and especially it’s best minds, to work on this problem is likely to result in a lot more and faster progress.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Reverse Engineering UFOs</p>
<p>If we have, indeed, had possession of UFOs, and have been trying to reverse engineer them,—for some 80 years now— what progress has been made?</p>
<p>Some people talk about there being “alien reproduction vehicles,” which presumes that we have, indeed, been able to reproduce—if not to understand—some level of alien technology.  </p>
<p>But, I have no idea if this is true.</p>
<p>However, it has been said that, in order to keep these crash retrievals and reverse engineering  programs so secret, the pool of scientists who have been able to get high enough clearance to work on this reverse engineering effort has been very limited, which might have had the result of severely limiting progress.</p>
<p>Stanford scientist Dr. Garry Nolan has pointed out that allowing the scientific community, and especially it’s best minds, to work on this problem is likely to result in a lot more and faster progress.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/29/open-thread-7-29-23/#comment-2691173</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2023 20:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sunday Open Thread:  Russo-Ukraine War.  Robert Fox tells some what they want to hear?  Time will tell.

&lt;b&gt;The Black Sea &#038; The Naval War in Ukraine - Drones, Grain, Blockades &#038; the Bridge to Crimea - Perun&lt;/b&gt;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8D7ioiW0JA

Timestamps:
00:00:00 — The Black Sea
00:01:29 — What Am I Talking About?
00:03:42 — The Black Sea Campaign To 2023
00:10:39 — The Bridge
00:18:58 — The Grain Deal
00:24:19 — Cutting The Lifeline?
00:36:42 — Grain, Markets, Politics
00:42:40 — Impacting The Players?
00:50:23 — Alternative Options
00:56:51 — A New Theatre Of War?
00:59:00 — Conclusions
01:00:17 — Channel Update

And in other threat environments, Wagner  through Belarus is playing mind games with Poland and Lithuania (and NATO) regarding the Suwalki corridor to Kaliningrad.  Nothing to see.

But a bonus (if short):

&lt;b&gt;1 Unexpected Way Ukraine&#039;s Maritime Drones Are Influencing Warfare - H I Sutton&lt;/b&gt;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8R0gCq8rAA

Ukrainian marine drones attack the Sevastopol harbor and the Kerch Straits bridge.  What&#039;s not to like, eh Vlad?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunday Open Thread:  Russo-Ukraine War.  Robert Fox tells some what they want to hear?  Time will tell.</p>
<p><b>The Black Sea &amp; The Naval War in Ukraine &#8211; Drones, Grain, Blockades &amp; the Bridge to Crimea &#8211; Perun</b></p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8D7ioiW0JA" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8D7ioiW0JA</a></p>
<p>Timestamps:<br />
00:00:00 — The Black Sea<br />
00:01:29 — What Am I Talking About?<br />
00:03:42 — The Black Sea Campaign To 2023<br />
00:10:39 — The Bridge<br />
00:18:58 — The Grain Deal<br />
00:24:19 — Cutting The Lifeline?<br />
00:36:42 — Grain, Markets, Politics<br />
00:42:40 — Impacting The Players?<br />
00:50:23 — Alternative Options<br />
00:56:51 — A New Theatre Of War?<br />
00:59:00 — Conclusions<br />
01:00:17 — Channel Update</p>
<p>And in other threat environments, Wagner  through Belarus is playing mind games with Poland and Lithuania (and NATO) regarding the Suwalki corridor to Kaliningrad.  Nothing to see.</p>
<p>But a bonus (if short):</p>
<p><b>1 Unexpected Way Ukraine&#8217;s Maritime Drones Are Influencing Warfare &#8211; H I Sutton</b></p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8R0gCq8rAA" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8R0gCq8rAA</a></p>
<p>Ukrainian marine drones attack the Sevastopol harbor and the Kerch Straits bridge.  What&#8217;s not to like, eh Vlad?</p>
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		By: T J		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2023 19:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Robert Fox is an old, well-published author and currently the defense editor at the Evening Standard (London).

A few days ago, he held forth on what his sources are saying on Putin&#039;s War in Ukraine with The Times podcast.

First, touch and go negotiations have been held intermittently.

But now war exhaustion in both sides has set in. Thus, another winter at war us off the table.

Fox&#039;s remaining interview outlines a settlement plan that neither side could embrace -- until now and soon to come, he claims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUunEi3bOwo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Fox is an old, well-published author and currently the defense editor at the Evening Standard (London).</p>
<p>A few days ago, he held forth on what his sources are saying on Putin&#8217;s War in Ukraine with The Times podcast.</p>
<p>First, touch and go negotiations have been held intermittently.</p>
<p>But now war exhaustion in both sides has set in. Thus, another winter at war us off the table.</p>
<p>Fox&#8217;s remaining interview outlines a settlement plan that neither side could embrace &#8212; until now and soon to come, he claims.<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUunEi3bOwo" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUunEi3bOwo</a></p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2023 19:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Nothing suspicious here at all, right?&lt;/i&gt;
==
 A member of his staff died in an accident. Tens of thousands of people die in accidents every year.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Nothing suspicious here at all, right?</i><br />
==<br />
 A member of his staff died in an accident. Tens of thousands of people die in accidents every year.</p>
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