After that grand assertion the rest is moot. Because the risk from Covid 19 was minimal, eh lee?

And it is vital that we use the proper language when talking about the shots. These are NOT vaccinations, in the sense of the word as we all know it, so comparing them to other vaccinations as far as harm v benefit is simply ridiculous.

Their filing with the SEC is correct–it is a genetic therapy. Given preemptively, in this situation, for an infection one MAY get later.
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1682852/000168285220000017/mrna-20200630.htm

That is extremely important, because in that setting, ANY risk should never be tolerated. You are not preventing transmission; you are not creating herd immunity. There is no reason in the world to do any damage. The person getting Covid may well have been on of the 60% they knew of way back in spring 2020 who was antibody positive for infection and even on very close, leading questioning, had no recollection of ever being ill. Not even a runny nose.

CDC redefined the word vaccine in 2021, when it became clear they weren’t effective after the July Provincetown outbreak. 80% of those hospitalized had been “fully vaccinated” (injected twice w mRNA.)

(Side note–this is where we lost Alex Berenson from Twitter. By government “request.” (?decree? ?edict?) He Tweeted out the obvious–experimental mRNA shots didn’t prevent infection or transmission. So–not vaccines. He was also documenting the data from Israel showing the the more shots the more likely to get infected. The immune suppression effect.
Such DANGEROUS information for the masses to have!!!!!
Imagine if a majority of DOCTORS knew that–even OBs might have stopped telling pregnant women it was “safe and effective.” )

They do NOT reliably prevent infection–EVER. Not from day one, and by a few months out, they don’t even reduce it. (Why they demolished the control group when they did, probably. Less controls were getting Covid eight weeks out than the injected.) Nor do they reduce deaths. And it is abundantly clear at this point in time, that the more shots a person has received, the MORE likely one is to get infected–they DO suppress innate and cellular immune responses after shot three. The IgG3 and IgG4 balance flips.
The higher the chance of hospitalization, and the higher the chance of death. (This data has to come from other countries, because the CDC won’t release ours. That “possible vaccine hesitancy thing.” You know, they do know what is best for me and you.)

A good place to get a feel of what these injections do is Amy Kelly and Naomi Wolf’s detailed analysis of the Phizer data–data that was available before the injections were released; the data the FDA wanted to take 75 years to release—- to understand what has been documented as far as the real, undeniable harms they cause. To comprehend the enormity of what happened in the mass injection program. What has happened to far too many young people, who had almost no risk from this virus.
https://www.amazon.com/DailyClout-Documents-Analysis-Volunteers-Reports-ebook/dp/B0BSK6LV5D/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3FP1YVNQ3I5NS&keywords=amy+kelly+naomi+wolf&qid=1690579413&sprefix=amy+kelly+naomiwolf%2Caps%2C297&sr=8-1

Your take on myocarditis is novel. There is nothing about even a subclinical episode of myocarditis that is in any way trivial. Our hearts are not like our livers or a kidney, where you can knock out a hunk of it and simply carry on with what is left and never look back. Your assertion that a lack of symptoms means the heart damage–from the myocarditis done by the injections as documented by the Swedish study showing cellular damage –is insignificant is what is completely without basis.
We don’t know that. It depends what specific cells got damaged; what cells are lost.
The symptoms can well be minor, but the damage can be ultimately fatal.

NOBODY knows what comes of this cardiac damage at the cellular level–because it has never been examined in a prospective fashion before.
(There’s never been reason to do so–no vaccination–or any ongoing therapeutic– has ever cause this number of cases of myocarditis. Or a fib. They do that too. MIs as well. (Strokes, PEs, neuropathy…)
These researchers didn’t pull myocarditis out of the air to examine–say, compared to renal damage.)

There’s no long term follow up of what happens when a person has what you are calling subclinical myocarditis, so you cannot be correct in saying it is not an issue.
To say it isn’t a problem is a wish, one I do share, but it is not a fact.

Time will tell what becomes of these people (assuming there is follow up. That costs money. It’s not the sort of thing Phizer will be funding. All kinds of things that I’d have thought would be studied–just seeing which of us frontline people became infected, for one— never got examined.)

Dr. Steven Gundry DOES have the data that you say doesn’t exist. He presented that data in fall 2021 —before boosters got mandated in many colleges–from his patients, showing the increase in cardiac and endothelial inflammatory markers AFTER they were injected with their second mRNA shot.
He had his patients’ baselines from before injection. (His is a preventative practice, based on data.)
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712

I would think he has patients in his practice who never got injected, so they could serve as a control population in a retrospective analysis.

An experienced physician (one who can, that is–may need to be self employed ) will tell you that ANY cardiac damage is a concern, especially in light of the well documented increase rate of a fib in injected people, and the huge increase in sudden death in previously healthy young people.

The forty per cent increase death rate in Q3 and Q4 of 2021 in working people 18-64 confirmed by the Society of Actuaries, which has remained elevated through 2022, has not been explained.
The concern that even subclinical, transient myocarditis is a problem is because of the number of young people who are experiencing MIs or dying with exertion or in their sleep.
Might there be long term damage done to the conduction system, or even just a few cells, that sets them up for a fatal arrhythmia? A real–and valid –concern. That is what happens in scarred hearts, something long known.

My advice to the young people, to anyone who has been multiply injected: do NOT ignore any symptoms of cardiac issues.
Chest heaviness; left arm, jaw, facial or ear pain; “heartburn” or indigestion; “funny” heartbeats. Even fatigue.
And no, sadly, thirty is NOT too young to have an MI . Even 19.
We are seeing them.

Somewhere along the way, “First do no harm” got skipped when this experimental mRNA got authorized for general use–which it is NOT in most of the first world.

An Israeli study of 196,992 adults shows there is almost no myocarditiis or pericarditis associated with Covid infections. (0.0046% and 0.0056%, virtually identical as that in a general control population).

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/

There is at this at time point in time no documented proof of benefit of multiple injections this product for anyone for the current variants in circulation that I can find.
The data actually shows the opposite.

I am no fan of lawfare, but in this case–let the class action suits begin!
(I know about the indemnification as a result of being included on the childhood schedule which now exists; I have read though that the deliberate misrepresentation of the data–such as the cases of infection in controls being less–will void that protection.)

I have sadly learned over in the past three years how the German physicians came to do what they did in the 1930s and ’40s.
I think it was RFKj who I heard make a comment along these lines:

“We wondered who it was who would load their neighbors in boxcars. It was people just like us.”
Which I take to mean–we all have the capacity.

Maybe what we really ought to look into is what made people NOT participate, to prescribe effective outpatient therapy under threat of losing their licenses, to stand on the steps of The Capitol to speak out after they had been censored by the government, to lose their jobs and practices and continue to speak THE TRUTH. (Not THEIR truth; what they are saying is true.
It is THE STATE that is still trying its best to keep it from people.
Ignore that at your peril.)

I figured I was healthy enough, or perhaps kind of fatalistic, that either getting the shot and its possible follow-ons was about as threatening as getting the Wuflu was a fifty-fifty choice and some of my volunteer activities required I be shot, so to speak. So I did.
Got the crud anyway, a day’s URI and some home quarantine. Wasted the time for the shot and the risk, whatever it was/is of getting the shot.
Total waste. Should have flipped a coin.

Also, for many and perhaps even all of the shots I’ve gotten, I’ve had to sign a paper that lists the possible side effects.

I have always supported the right of everyone to make the decision as they see fit.

Long before the COVID vaccine, there was a ton of controversy about vaccinations. Some of it was connected to the autism brouhaha, some was about other vaccines. But anti-vaxxers have been a thing for decades, perhaps more. People following these issues or curious about them have had tons of information available to them from both sides. The CDC has been upfront about certain rare complications for decades. No, they probably haven’t put up billboards about it, but it’s otherwise not only readily an easily available but has been part of public discussion.

And in particular, with COVID vaccines, the risks of myocarditis post-vaccination, particularly in young men, got a lot of publicity and the CDC put out information about how often it happened and how it usually is mild. And that remains true.

Seriously?

I don’t think you are making any kind of effort to look for evidence to support anything you are saying. It’s one thing to not know, but it’s a totally other thing to refuse to look, and make all kinds of unsupported statements, and it’s a third thing yet to double down on refusing to look when called out on refusing to look.

And prior to the internet, it would have required quite a bit of effort…

25 years ago yes it was harder. The babies born that year got immunized, grew up, and had babies of their own which they also got immunized since that time, and were able to search for this stuff online if they wanted. In that time my wife and I had a baby and yes we learned all this stuff about vaccines at that time, not just online but also from childcare books and pediatricians.

the lack of assertive public information effort looked like an effort to conceal.

I guess they should have driven to your house and shouted in your ear, anything short of that is an “effort to conceal”? It’s very very strange to “conceal” things by making them easily available online to anyone who can type three words… much less is on all packaging and anyone having a child of course is probably seeing a pediatrician who will tell them and give them paperwork on it.

And since the Bigs have lied and lied and lied, why would anybody believe them?

Doubling down on the fallacy doesn’t make me more confident you have anything but the fallacy behind what you are saying.