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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/26/whats-going-on-in-the-hunter-biden-trial/#comment-2690782</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2023 22:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Two weeks ago, I got to meet economist Arthur Laffer
who is spear-heading a drive for the Tennessee legislature
to pass property tax increase caps, much like
Prop 13 did for California.

He’s quite optimistic about success!&lt;/i&gt;

TJ:

I missed your comment earlier. Thanks for speaking up. 

I didn&#039;t even know Arthur Laffer was still alive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Two weeks ago, I got to meet economist Arthur Laffer<br />
who is spear-heading a drive for the Tennessee legislature<br />
to pass property tax increase caps, much like<br />
Prop 13 did for California.</p>
<p>He’s quite optimistic about success!</i></p>
<p>TJ:</p>
<p>I missed your comment earlier. Thanks for speaking up. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t even know Arthur Laffer was still alive.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2023 21:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[the dems lie with great relish (and mustard) pick any issue, now government is effectively become antithetical to those means]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the dems lie with great relish (and mustard) pick any issue, now government is effectively become antithetical to those means</p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2023 21:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not Paine, but Madison: Federalist 51, I think:
&lt;blockquote&gt; The provision for defense must in this, as in all other cases, be made commensurate to the danger of attack. Ambition must be made to counteract ambition. The interest of the man must be connected with the constitutional rights of the place. It may be a reflection on human nature, that such devices should be necessary to control the abuses of government. But what is government itself, but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not Paine, but Madison: Federalist 51, I think:</p>
<blockquote><p> The provision for defense must in this, as in all other cases, be made commensurate to the danger of attack. Ambition must be made to counteract ambition. The interest of the man must be connected with the constitutional rights of the place. It may be a reflection on human nature, that such devices should be necessary to control the abuses of government. But what is government itself, but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.</p></blockquote>
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		By: Jamie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2023 21:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I think conservatives have mostly earned their pessimism.&lt;/i&gt;

Thomas Sowell talks about this, more or less. So does Jordan Peterson. Sowell talks about constrained and unconstrained visions - another way, ISTM, of illustrating the difference between a Hobbesian and a Lockean (Lockeian?) worldview. The constrained vision holder (the conservative) believes that humankind is fallen and humans are prone to taking whatever advantage they can, so we have to set up systems that - in Paine&#039;s formulation, was it? One of the Founders anyway - check and balance one ambition with, and against, another. The unconstrained vision holder (the progressive) believes perfection, utopia, is possible.

Real life teaches us that the constrained vision is, at minimum, &lt;i&gt;far&lt;/i&gt; more reflective of people&#039;s actions. It&#039;s my opinion, as a constrained-vision person, that the constrained vision is reflective of &lt;i&gt;reality&lt;/i&gt;. This worldview can be perceived as pessimism.

Peterson says that conservatives are &quot;pretty good&quot; (ya know how he talks) at implementation, but not good, not nearly as good as the Left, at explaining their vision or ideals. He says he thinks this is because conservatives don&#039;t really need a vision - their default is (this is the way I always put it, which I draw from William James - it&#039;s not how Peterson puts it) &quot;that which works.&quot; An example he gave: when a conservative is challenged to defend marriage, the conservative says, &quot;But... didn&#039;t we all agree a long time ago, basically at the beginnings of human civilization, that marriage is a social good? Why does it need defending?&quot;

Now, I think that, under pressure from the progressives everywhere in our society, conservatives are getting a &lt;i&gt;lot&lt;/i&gt; better at explicating the conservative &quot;vision,&quot; such as it is, as well as at explaining why pragmatism triumphs over utopianism. But we&#039;re still on our back foot, because utopianism is a whole lot more attractive, especially to young people, than &quot;the poor will be with you always&quot; (for example), however smart the young people are, even if they are forced to admit that if you&#039;re going to define poverty by quintiles there will &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; be a lowest quintile. And the Left has gotten a lot better at couching their utopianism in &quot;pragmatic&quot; terms so it&#039;s not so obviously impossible. Take MMT as a foundation for UBI, for instance. It&#039;s easy to see that a UBI will bankrupt us all if you think money is a real thing (which it is - a real means of exchange that reflects the value people place on real things), so redefine money as some kind of social construct, and Bob&#039;s your uncle!

This probably belongs in an open thread... Neo, please delete or move this comment if it&#039;s too distracting from your topic!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think conservatives have mostly earned their pessimism.</i></p>
<p>Thomas Sowell talks about this, more or less. So does Jordan Peterson. Sowell talks about constrained and unconstrained visions &#8211; another way, ISTM, of illustrating the difference between a Hobbesian and a Lockean (Lockeian?) worldview. The constrained vision holder (the conservative) believes that humankind is fallen and humans are prone to taking whatever advantage they can, so we have to set up systems that &#8211; in Paine&#8217;s formulation, was it? One of the Founders anyway &#8211; check and balance one ambition with, and against, another. The unconstrained vision holder (the progressive) believes perfection, utopia, is possible.</p>
<p>Real life teaches us that the constrained vision is, at minimum, <i>far</i> more reflective of people&#8217;s actions. It&#8217;s my opinion, as a constrained-vision person, that the constrained vision is reflective of <i>reality</i>. This worldview can be perceived as pessimism.</p>
<p>Peterson says that conservatives are &#8220;pretty good&#8221; (ya know how he talks) at implementation, but not good, not nearly as good as the Left, at explaining their vision or ideals. He says he thinks this is because conservatives don&#8217;t really need a vision &#8211; their default is (this is the way I always put it, which I draw from William James &#8211; it&#8217;s not how Peterson puts it) &#8220;that which works.&#8221; An example he gave: when a conservative is challenged to defend marriage, the conservative says, &#8220;But&#8230; didn&#8217;t we all agree a long time ago, basically at the beginnings of human civilization, that marriage is a social good? Why does it need defending?&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, I think that, under pressure from the progressives everywhere in our society, conservatives are getting a <i>lot</i> better at explicating the conservative &#8220;vision,&#8221; such as it is, as well as at explaining why pragmatism triumphs over utopianism. But we&#8217;re still on our back foot, because utopianism is a whole lot more attractive, especially to young people, than &#8220;the poor will be with you always&#8221; (for example), however smart the young people are, even if they are forced to admit that if you&#8217;re going to define poverty by quintiles there will <i>always</i> be a lowest quintile. And the Left has gotten a lot better at couching their utopianism in &#8220;pragmatic&#8221; terms so it&#8217;s not so obviously impossible. Take MMT as a foundation for UBI, for instance. It&#8217;s easy to see that a UBI will bankrupt us all if you think money is a real thing (which it is &#8211; a real means of exchange that reflects the value people place on real things), so redefine money as some kind of social construct, and Bob&#8217;s your uncle!</p>
<p>This probably belongs in an open thread&#8230; Neo, please delete or move this comment if it&#8217;s too distracting from your topic!</p>
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		By: stan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2023 20:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Big Brother is here. The Thought Police are real. Othering is real. 

Welcome to 1984. When 2024 is stolen, will America have been &quot;fundamentally transformed&quot; as Obama promised?

Democrat voters are thrilled with the progress.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Brother is here. The Thought Police are real. Othering is real. </p>
<p>Welcome to 1984. When 2024 is stolen, will America have been &#8220;fundamentally transformed&#8221; as Obama promised?</p>
<p>Democrat voters are thrilled with the progress.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/26/whats-going-on-in-the-hunter-biden-trial/#comment-2690761</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2023 19:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Related...in which the celebrated straight shoot Sol Wisenberg makes another cameo appearance...
&quot;Hunter Biden plea deal a scam from the start&quot;---
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/hunter-biden-plea-deal-a-scam-from-the-start
H/T Powerlineblog.
Key grafs (RTWT):
&#039;...This is from Sol Wisenberg, a former prosecutor for independent counsel Kenneth Starr: &lt;b&gt;&quot;A broad immunity provision (arguably covering every crime Hunter may have committed during the relevant time frame) was hidden in Paragraph 15 of the Pre-Trial Diversion Agreement and this was done by the parties in order that the judge could not accept or reject the broad immunity portion of the overall deal. Totally unprecedented.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;
&#039; Paragraph 15 said the government &quot;agrees not to criminally prosecute Biden ... for any federal crimes&quot; involving the behavior covered by both the tax charge agreement and the gun charge agreement. So if prosecutors, for example, decided that Biden was representing a foreign government in the course of his shady overseas financial dealings, he might be charged with violating the law requiring him to register as a foreign agent. But Paragraph 15, buried in the gun charge agreement, would have forbidden that.
... &lt;b&gt;It seems entirely possible that the DOJ and the Biden defense team were trying to pull a fast one on the judge. Indeed, Wisenberg noted the transcript of the hearing &quot;shows that the judge didn&#039;t even see the key paragraph until shortly before the hearing.&quot;&lt;/b&gt; Whatever the case, it didn&#039;t work. Noreika put a stop to the proceedings and ordered both sides to work something else out.

In the meantime, Biden has now been formally charged with the two misdemeanor tax charges. &lt;b&gt;He pleaded not guilty, even though he had been ready to plead guilty just minutes earlier.&lt;/b&gt;

Now, we have to learn more about what happened. It&#039;s an outrage that the DOJ has not even released the plea agreement and that we are all going on somebody&#039;s cellphone photos of the agreement posted in Politico. (And thanks to Politico for doing it.) &lt;b&gt;&quot;It&#039;s a scandal that it hasn&#039;t been released,&quot; Wisenberg said. &quot;It ought to be released immediately by the attorney general. His failure to release it adds to the suspicion that this is a tainted deal.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;...&#039; [All emphasis mine; Barry M.]

Suspicion?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related&#8230;in which the celebrated straight shoot Sol Wisenberg makes another cameo appearance&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Hunter Biden plea deal a scam from the start&#8221;&#8212;<br />
<a href="https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/hunter-biden-plea-deal-a-scam-from-the-start" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/hunter-biden-plea-deal-a-scam-from-the-start</a><br />
H/T Powerlineblog.<br />
Key grafs (RTWT):<br />
&#8216;&#8230;This is from Sol Wisenberg, a former prosecutor for independent counsel Kenneth Starr: <b>&#8220;A broad immunity provision (arguably covering every crime Hunter may have committed during the relevant time frame) was hidden in Paragraph 15 of the Pre-Trial Diversion Agreement and this was done by the parties in order that the judge could not accept or reject the broad immunity portion of the overall deal. Totally unprecedented.&#8221;</b><br />
&#8216; Paragraph 15 said the government &#8220;agrees not to criminally prosecute Biden &#8230; for any federal crimes&#8221; involving the behavior covered by both the tax charge agreement and the gun charge agreement. So if prosecutors, for example, decided that Biden was representing a foreign government in the course of his shady overseas financial dealings, he might be charged with violating the law requiring him to register as a foreign agent. But Paragraph 15, buried in the gun charge agreement, would have forbidden that.<br />
&#8230; <b>It seems entirely possible that the DOJ and the Biden defense team were trying to pull a fast one on the judge. Indeed, Wisenberg noted the transcript of the hearing &#8220;shows that the judge didn&#8217;t even see the key paragraph until shortly before the hearing.&#8221;</b> Whatever the case, it didn&#8217;t work. Noreika put a stop to the proceedings and ordered both sides to work something else out.</p>
<p>In the meantime, Biden has now been formally charged with the two misdemeanor tax charges. <b>He pleaded not guilty, even though he had been ready to plead guilty just minutes earlier.</b></p>
<p>Now, we have to learn more about what happened. It&#8217;s an outrage that the DOJ has not even released the plea agreement and that we are all going on somebody&#8217;s cellphone photos of the agreement posted in Politico. (And thanks to Politico for doing it.) <b>&#8220;It&#8217;s a scandal that it hasn&#8217;t been released,&#8221; Wisenberg said. &#8220;It ought to be released immediately by the attorney general. His failure to release it adds to the suspicion that this is a tainted deal.&#8221;</b>&#8230;&#8217; [All emphasis mine; Barry M.]</p>
<p>Suspicion?</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2023 19:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OK, I get it. We all have our issues(!)...
I admire him---I&#039;m not ashamed to admit it---but there&#039;s this huge gap there, a line he thus far has refused to cross...even though all the evidence is staring him right in the face.
Oh well (time for a cliche break), we got to be thankful for what we DO have, I guess.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I get it. We all have our issues(!)&#8230;<br />
I admire him&#8212;I&#8217;m not ashamed to admit it&#8212;but there&#8217;s this huge gap there, a line he thus far has refused to cross&#8230;even though all the evidence is staring him right in the face.<br />
Oh well (time for a cliche break), we got to be thankful for what we DO have, I guess.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2023 19:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Barry Meislin:

You will find there is a pattern to McCarthy&#039;s essays.  He&#039;s usually quite good these days on everything but January 6th issues and also Trump.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry Meislin:</p>
<p>You will find there is a pattern to McCarthy&#8217;s essays.  He&#8217;s usually quite good these days on everything but January 6th issues and also Trump.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2023 17:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[that only applied to manafort and woolsey adjacent, yes the prisons would be full if they did strict fara enforcement, k street would have to find real work]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that only applied to manafort and woolsey adjacent, yes the prisons would be full if they did strict fara enforcement, k street would have to find real work</p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2023 17:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One more thing: Republicans and conservatives should use the acronym &quot;FARA&quot; at every opportunity in discussing the Hunter Biden non-agreement.

Foreign Agent Reporting Act violations are what the DOJ used to go after Trump&#039;s people, and more significantly it ties Hunter&#039;s tax woes to the foreign sources of his money! If the DOJ is forced to address FARA, the obvious next step is asking &quot;By the way, exactly what service was Hunter selling his customers?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing: Republicans and conservatives should use the acronym &#8220;FARA&#8221; at every opportunity in discussing the Hunter Biden non-agreement.</p>
<p>Foreign Agent Reporting Act violations are what the DOJ used to go after Trump&#8217;s people, and more significantly it ties Hunter&#8217;s tax woes to the foreign sources of his money! If the DOJ is forced to address FARA, the obvious next step is asking &#8220;By the way, exactly what service was Hunter selling his customers?&#8221;</p>
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