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		By: Xylourgos		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/15/the-new-york-city-subway/#comment-2689325</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2023 06:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for that DNW. As a former Detroiter I found that interesting, I am a big Metro/Subway fan. Having worked many years on Metro projects worldwide, I try to visit Metro stations wherever I am. If you find yourself in Greece, check out the system in Athens - especially the archeological treasures found during the excavation works.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that DNW. As a former Detroiter I found that interesting, I am a big Metro/Subway fan. Having worked many years on Metro projects worldwide, I try to visit Metro stations wherever I am. If you find yourself in Greece, check out the system in Athens &#8211; especially the archeological treasures found during the excavation works.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/15/the-new-york-city-subway/#comment-2689320</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2023 02:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Boston was my first real big city when I moved there in 1977. Soon after I visited a friend in NYC and I was overwhelmed by the crowds and the energy.

I could understand Frank Sinatra&#039;s claim, &quot;If you can make it here, you can make it anywhere.&quot;

New York had a real reputation then, most of it earned.

Do New Yorkers have that sort of pride these days?
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&lt;i&gt;There are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn&#039;t advise you to try to invade.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boston was my first real big city when I moved there in 1977. Soon after I visited a friend in NYC and I was overwhelmed by the crowds and the energy.</p>
<p>I could understand Frank Sinatra&#8217;s claim, &#8220;If you can make it here, you can make it anywhere.&#8221;</p>
<p>New York had a real reputation then, most of it earned.</p>
<p>Do New Yorkers have that sort of pride these days?<br />
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<p><i>There are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn&#8217;t advise you to try to invade.</p>
<p>&#8211;Humphrey Bogart, &#8220;Casablanca&#8221;</i></p>
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		By: Chuck		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2023 01:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I loved riding the NY subways back in the 60s, and on occasion when I was visiting, even up into the 2000&#039;s. But they were slow if you had to travel any distance. Last time I was there I took the express bus from the Bronx down to around 44th street. It was comfortable, quiet, and fast, much nicer than the subway that I rode to get up to the Bronx in the first place. Nostalgia aside, I prefer busses to subways these days.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved riding the NY subways back in the 60s, and on occasion when I was visiting, even up into the 2000&#8217;s. But they were slow if you had to travel any distance. Last time I was there I took the express bus from the Bronx down to around 44th street. It was comfortable, quiet, and fast, much nicer than the subway that I rode to get up to the Bronx in the first place. Nostalgia aside, I prefer busses to subways these days.</p>
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		By: Someone Else		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2023 22:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My great grandfather was an engineer on the construction of the IRT into Brooklyn. Apparently, as work progressed, they&#039;re move along with it, and ended up in Flatbush.

An &quot;engineer&quot; back then want exactly what it is today. It was more of a construction foreman type role.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My great grandfather was an engineer on the construction of the IRT into Brooklyn. Apparently, as work progressed, they&#8217;re move along with it, and ended up in Flatbush.</p>
<p>An &#8220;engineer&#8221; back then want exactly what it is today. It was more of a construction foreman type role.</p>
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		By: Philip Sells		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2023 21:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi, DNW. That is indeed interesting. I&#039;m still a little puzzled why no transit system underground was attempted, but we can leave that aside. I found this about the DSR operations, which seems to give some kind of idea about what they looked like, at least: 
&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYTH3AtAko0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Getting About - Part 1 - DSR&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, DNW. That is indeed interesting. I&#8217;m still a little puzzled why no transit system underground was attempted, but we can leave that aside. I found this about the DSR operations, which seems to give some kind of idea about what they looked like, at least:<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYTH3AtAko0" rel="nofollow ugc">Getting About &#8211; Part 1 &#8211; DSR</a></p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/15/the-new-york-city-subway/#comment-2689293</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2023 19:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I Callahan, speaking of which, you know, when I stop and think about it – why did Detroit not try to build a subway system? Was it just the whole car thing? It just struck me now for the first time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ha. Glad I dropped by.

For many years Detroit had a street railway system run by the DSR. It ran well beyond the city limits out the major radial arteries.

Popular and legendary explanations for its demise in 1956 were various and partial and include a conspiracy by General Motors, and the observation that auto traffic mixed with pedestrians attempting to access the trollies in bad weather led to injuries and deaths. The actual reason was probably just economic.

There are plenty of websites on the Detroit Street Railway, and numbers of home movie clips of the street cars. But the one really fine cinematic quality shot of one in operation which I can think of consists of a few seconds of a film noir movie location shot: in  1947&#039;s &quot;T-Men&quot; starring Dennis O&#039;Keefe.

The short scene of O&#039;Keefe disembarking from the street car and heading to the Detroit public library gives a shocking glimpse of an orderly, well maintained, clean and tree lined civilization that no longer exists. The once famous Belle Isle fountain, back-drop for thousands of wedding couple poses, is shown too. 

T-Men was on YouTube, but a brief glance indicates it might have been deleted. Without further checking I don&#039;t wish to launch off on a tirade about corporate vermin and their parasitic dining off of even 75 year old B movie noirs which someone curious might watch as a harmless diversion in preference to the woke sxit spewed as supposed entertainment currently. No, I don&#039;t want to do that.

Probably just as well to leave well enough alone, and play out the rope. When the current system abrupty hangs itself, not too many will mind. LOL]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I Callahan, speaking of which, you know, when I stop and think about it – why did Detroit not try to build a subway system? Was it just the whole car thing? It just struck me now for the first time.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ha. Glad I dropped by.</p>
<p>For many years Detroit had a street railway system run by the DSR. It ran well beyond the city limits out the major radial arteries.</p>
<p>Popular and legendary explanations for its demise in 1956 were various and partial and include a conspiracy by General Motors, and the observation that auto traffic mixed with pedestrians attempting to access the trollies in bad weather led to injuries and deaths. The actual reason was probably just economic.</p>
<p>There are plenty of websites on the Detroit Street Railway, and numbers of home movie clips of the street cars. But the one really fine cinematic quality shot of one in operation which I can think of consists of a few seconds of a film noir movie location shot: in  1947&#8217;s &#8220;T-Men&#8221; starring Dennis O&#8217;Keefe.</p>
<p>The short scene of O&#8217;Keefe disembarking from the street car and heading to the Detroit public library gives a shocking glimpse of an orderly, well maintained, clean and tree lined civilization that no longer exists. The once famous Belle Isle fountain, back-drop for thousands of wedding couple poses, is shown too. </p>
<p>T-Men was on YouTube, but a brief glance indicates it might have been deleted. Without further checking I don&#8217;t wish to launch off on a tirade about corporate vermin and their parasitic dining off of even 75 year old B movie noirs which someone curious might watch as a harmless diversion in preference to the woke sxit spewed as supposed entertainment currently. No, I don&#8217;t want to do that.</p>
<p>Probably just as well to leave well enough alone, and play out the rope. When the current system abrupty hangs itself, not too many will mind. LOL</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2023 17:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John Tyler:

Yes, the straw seats I were on the BMT, I believe, and they were arranged differently, in little catty-corner groupings.  

No AC in the subways until after I was grown-up. At least, no AC in the ones I rode, which were usually on the IRT. First I would swelter in the summer for an hour and a half in dance class with no AC and no cross-ventilation (speaking of steambaths or more like sweatlodges), then the subway ride without AC.  Good thing I was young.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Tyler:</p>
<p>Yes, the straw seats I were on the BMT, I believe, and they were arranged differently, in little catty-corner groupings.  </p>
<p>No AC in the subways until after I was grown-up. At least, no AC in the ones I rode, which were usually on the IRT. First I would swelter in the summer for an hour and a half in dance class with no AC and no cross-ventilation (speaking of steambaths or more like sweatlodges), then the subway ride without AC.  Good thing I was young.</p>
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		By: JohnTyler		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/15/the-new-york-city-subway/#comment-2689279</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2023 17:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My earliest experience on the subways; no AC and some of the older cars had &quot;straw&quot; seat covers. (These were the days when there were still Horn &#038; Hardart Automats in Manhattan).
A pre-AC subway ride in the summer time was like being in a sauna, fully clothed.
When I was a kid, a subway ride was 15 cents. 

During the apex of graffiti-covered subway cars you literally could not see out many of the subway windows; they were covered in graffiti. 

Only got mugged once in a subway station;  145th Street and 8th Ave station. I used to carry &quot;mug money;&quot; that is, I would have pocket change , but I would keep the  bills in my shoes. I am not kidding. My thinking was if the muggers - usually young males of a certain race - at least walked away with something, they would not beat me up. The two that mugged me were kind enough to return my subway token and not beat me up. 
No point reporting anything to the cops.

Did witness a professional pick-pocket group in action on the subway as passengers - all jostling and crowded together -  were entering a subway car.. One pick pocket would open the purse of a lady standing in front of her and immediately hand it over to her accomplice behind her, and he would scoot off. When confronted by the victim, the original pick pocket denied doing anything and suggested the victim search her. 
Of course, nothing happened to the crooks and the poor women lost her wallet. 

Once in a while a very crowded train would pull into a station and one car would have only one &quot;passenger;&quot; that&#039;s because the occupant was a passed out bum laying across the bench seats who had defecated in his pants. You and everybody else would immediately exit  the car because of the stink.

A few times - during rush hour - some well dressed lady would begin yelling and screaming at some guy who was grabbing her. Was quite the site to see a well presented lady unleash a string of F bombs at the culprit. 

Can&#039;t think of any more fun experiences I&#039;ve had using the subway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My earliest experience on the subways; no AC and some of the older cars had &#8220;straw&#8221; seat covers. (These were the days when there were still Horn &amp; Hardart Automats in Manhattan).<br />
A pre-AC subway ride in the summer time was like being in a sauna, fully clothed.<br />
When I was a kid, a subway ride was 15 cents. </p>
<p>During the apex of graffiti-covered subway cars you literally could not see out many of the subway windows; they were covered in graffiti. </p>
<p>Only got mugged once in a subway station;  145th Street and 8th Ave station. I used to carry &#8220;mug money;&#8221; that is, I would have pocket change , but I would keep the  bills in my shoes. I am not kidding. My thinking was if the muggers &#8211; usually young males of a certain race &#8211; at least walked away with something, they would not beat me up. The two that mugged me were kind enough to return my subway token and not beat me up.<br />
No point reporting anything to the cops.</p>
<p>Did witness a professional pick-pocket group in action on the subway as passengers &#8211; all jostling and crowded together &#8211;  were entering a subway car.. One pick pocket would open the purse of a lady standing in front of her and immediately hand it over to her accomplice behind her, and he would scoot off. When confronted by the victim, the original pick pocket denied doing anything and suggested the victim search her.<br />
Of course, nothing happened to the crooks and the poor women lost her wallet. </p>
<p>Once in a while a very crowded train would pull into a station and one car would have only one &#8220;passenger;&#8221; that&#8217;s because the occupant was a passed out bum laying across the bench seats who had defecated in his pants. You and everybody else would immediately exit  the car because of the stink.</p>
<p>A few times &#8211; during rush hour &#8211; some well dressed lady would begin yelling and screaming at some guy who was grabbing her. Was quite the site to see a well presented lady unleash a string of F bombs at the culprit. </p>
<p>Can&#8217;t think of any more fun experiences I&#8217;ve had using the subway.</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2023 16:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember riding those trains throughout the &#039;70&#039;s.  I think I took some photos inside the system and trains in the early &#039;70&#039;s, though I doubt I could find them now.  It did fascinate me.

My wife and I rode the subway frequently on a trip in 2017.  The memory seems recent, but it isn&#039;t anymore.  We&#039;d ride the #1 line back and forth between mid-town  and the north end of central park where our host lived.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember riding those trains throughout the &#8217;70&#8217;s.  I think I took some photos inside the system and trains in the early &#8217;70&#8217;s, though I doubt I could find them now.  It did fascinate me.</p>
<p>My wife and I rode the subway frequently on a trip in 2017.  The memory seems recent, but it isn&#8217;t anymore.  We&#8217;d ride the #1 line back and forth between mid-town  and the north end of central park where our host lived.</p>
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		By: OldRadioGuy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2023 15:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I grew up in NYC in the 50&#039;s and 60&#039;s and remember riding the subways pretty much from the beginning of memory. First the &quot;IRT&quot; 3 train from Nostrand Ave and, later, the E&#038;F trains from Queens. Most of my vacations from college were spent riding nearly empty trains to and from a night job in Manhattan. I still love and am fascinated by the system and wish it were still rideable. I&#039;d go to NY a lot more often.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in NYC in the 50&#8217;s and 60&#8217;s and remember riding the subways pretty much from the beginning of memory. First the &#8220;IRT&#8221; 3 train from Nostrand Ave and, later, the E&amp;F trains from Queens. Most of my vacations from college were spent riding nearly empty trains to and from a night job in Manhattan. I still love and am fascinated by the system and wish it were still rideable. I&#8217;d go to NY a lot more often.</p>
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