Comments on: Unhappy Bastille Day, but hooray for nougat https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/14/unhappy-bastille-day-but-hooray-for-nougat/ A blog about political change, among other things Mon, 17 Jul 2023 10:41:45 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: Art Deco https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/14/unhappy-bastille-day-but-hooray-for-nougat/#comment-2689335 Mon, 17 Jul 2023 10:41:45 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=127216#comment-2689335 But to call this, and other rational and supportable opinions on the matter ‘florid nonsense’ is, well, perhaps dismissive and unserious.
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It deserves ‘dismissive and unserious’. ‘Genocide’ is an absurdly overused word and overused by people playing rhetorical games.

]]> By: Sarah Rolph https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/14/unhappy-bastille-day-but-hooray-for-nougat/#comment-2689255 Sun, 16 Jul 2023 12:47:22 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=127216#comment-2689255 Our alleged Secretary of State, or whoever handles his social media, embarrassed himself badly the other day by showing how little he knows about this history, tweeting:

@SecBlinken
The War of Independence and the French Revolution were fueled by the same aspirations for freedom, democracy, and human rights. Today, we are more committed than ever to defending them — together. Warmest wishes on Bastille Day to the people of France.
10:29 AM · Jul 14, 2023

https://twitter.com/SecBlinken/status/1679860760145543169

]]> By: Aggie https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/14/unhappy-bastille-day-but-hooray-for-nougat/#comment-2689193 Sat, 15 Jul 2023 21:31:00 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=127216#comment-2689193 “The Vendee was fairly grisly, but to refer to any events of the period as ‘genocide’ is florid nonsense.”

“Jacques Villemain is a French diplomat, and is currently the vice representative of France at OECD and is representing France at the International Court of Justice. He presents a legal study on the War of Vendée based on current international law, then according modern findings in the international courts on genocide cases like the Rwanda Genocide, and the Srebrenica massacre, is that there were war crimes performed by The French Republic in March 1793, Crime against Humanity from April to July 1793 and Genocide from 1 August 1793 to middle of 1794.

I don’t have any particular, studied opinion on the matter, But it seems obvious it has been a contended issue for over a century, and something approaching 200,000 peasants slaughtered, most of them barbarically. But to call this, and other rational and supportable opinions on the matter ‘florid nonsense’ is, well, perhaps dismissive and unserious. You could even look it up in the encyclopedia Britannica.

]]> By: Mike K https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/14/unhappy-bastille-day-but-hooray-for-nougat/#comment-2689139 Sat, 15 Jul 2023 15:01:00 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=127216#comment-2689139 As to the end of Robespierre, the version I believe is that he was shot as he was writing out the warrant for the arrest and execution of the other members of the “Committee of Public Safety.” They burst into the room and shot him. In the Musee Carnavalet , in one of my first visits to Paris, I saw the arrest warrant with Robespierre’s blood on it. That supported the theory that he was shot by others as he was writing it. Why would he attempt suicide as he was writing an arrest warrant for others ?

On another visit to the museum, the document was no longer on display. Maybe that was an early part of restoration.

]]> By: Art Deco https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/14/unhappy-bastille-day-but-hooray-for-nougat/#comment-2689103 Sat, 15 Jul 2023 03:52:10 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=127216#comment-2689103 If that is the societal norm, then what has been described is a nation of an immature and remarkably selfish character. Which if true, explains much.
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France is a remarkably accomplished nation and there is much beauty in it. In mundane life, they have good points and bad points. Tends to be the case in a country populated by human beings.

]]> By: Art Deco https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/14/unhappy-bastille-day-but-hooray-for-nougat/#comment-2689102 Sat, 15 Jul 2023 03:48:32 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=127216#comment-2689102 After 1815? You mean after the revolution was long over?
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No, I mean after the Napoleonic Wars, after the codification of the laws, after the establishment of a comprehensively revised administrative architecture, after the transfer of allodial rights over rustical land, and after the Bourbon restoration (with their new constitution).

]]> By: Rufus T. Firefly https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/14/unhappy-bastille-day-but-hooray-for-nougat/#comment-2689101 Sat, 15 Jul 2023 03:46:02 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=127216#comment-2689101 I also find it odd Bastille day is celebrated as France’s “Independence Day,” and continue to be surprised at how much Napoleon is revered in France. I think most Frenchmen and women revere both, yet they are at odds with each other.

“We got rid of our King! Bon travail!”
“Eliminating our king resulted in a military general declaring himself emperor and bankrupting the country! Bon travail!”

]]> By: Geoffrey Britain https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/14/unhappy-bastille-day-but-hooray-for-nougat/#comment-2689100 Sat, 15 Jul 2023 03:45:19 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=127216#comment-2689100 “He himself regarded traffic laws as nuisance suggestions, married a co-ed 18 years his junior, and sired his youngest child at age 49.
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A note about French hygiene. They don’t care if you don’t like how they smell.” Art Deco

If that is the societal norm, then what has been described is a nation of an immature and remarkably selfish character. Which if true, explains much.

]]> By: Art Deco https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/14/unhappy-bastille-day-but-hooray-for-nougat/#comment-2689099 Sat, 15 Jul 2023 03:43:55 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=127216#comment-2689099 It may have ended with atrocities, genocide, darkness and chaos, but the Revolution did manage to get the peasant class out from under the aristocracy, at least.
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The Vendee was fairly grisly, but to refer to any events of the period as ‘genocide’ is florid nonsense.

]]> By: Rufus T. Firefly https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/14/unhappy-bastille-day-but-hooray-for-nougat/#comment-2689097 Sat, 15 Jul 2023 03:39:02 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=127216#comment-2689097 Mike K.,

“(neither was elected)”

🙂 !!!

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