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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		By: David Foster		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2023 12:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brian E...&quot;If we apply the same rationale to the immigration along our southern border today to the European immigration 150-200 years ago&quot;

See my post Two Views of Immigration
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian E&#8230;&#8221;If we apply the same rationale to the immigration along our southern border today to the European immigration 150-200 years ago&#8221;</p>
<p>See my post Two Views of Immigration<br />
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2023 03:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Open Thread Tuesday:  The No UFO Edition, Russo-Ukraine War

&lt;b&gt;How is the war going? — Mid July 2023 - Anders Puck Nielsen&lt;/b&gt;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fR9HJnYXoc

0:00 Intro
0:40 Frontline overview
1:31 Orikhiv
2:05 Velyka Novosilka
3:10 Bakhmut
5:20 Kherson
6:20 Maneuver vs. attrition
6:55 Equipping Ukraine for maneuver warfare
8:18 The West fights wars with airpower
9:08 Maneuver without attrition
10:07 Ukraine changed approach
10:45 Cluster munitions
11:50 Phases of Ukraine&#039;s offensive


But back to UFOs

&lt;i&gt;How about knowledge about major forces in the Universe we here on Earth know nothing about, would that do it?&lt;/i&gt;  So Aliens could explain physics, Quantum mechanics, or gender theory to those in the 12th century BCE?  And of course isotropic radios that the Aliens use to catch their heavy metal tunes?  Or was it isotonic ratios?  All so alien ....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open Thread Tuesday:  The No UFO Edition, Russo-Ukraine War</p>
<p><b>How is the war going? — Mid July 2023 &#8211; Anders Puck Nielsen</b></p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fR9HJnYXoc" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fR9HJnYXoc</a></p>
<p>0:00 Intro<br />
0:40 Frontline overview<br />
1:31 Orikhiv<br />
2:05 Velyka Novosilka<br />
3:10 Bakhmut<br />
5:20 Kherson<br />
6:20 Maneuver vs. attrition<br />
6:55 Equipping Ukraine for maneuver warfare<br />
8:18 The West fights wars with airpower<br />
9:08 Maneuver without attrition<br />
10:07 Ukraine changed approach<br />
10:45 Cluster munitions<br />
11:50 Phases of Ukraine&#8217;s offensive</p>
<p>But back to UFOs</p>
<p><i>How about knowledge about major forces in the Universe we here on Earth know nothing about, would that do it?</i>  So Aliens could explain physics, Quantum mechanics, or gender theory to those in the 12th century BCE?  And of course isotropic radios that the Aliens use to catch their heavy metal tunes?  Or was it isotonic ratios?  All so alien &#8230;.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2023 02:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[According to the rumor mill Phoebe Waller-Bridge, the insufferable Mary Sue slotted to replace Harrison Ford, has been axed from six future Disney/Lucas projects. 

Including an &quot;Aliens&quot; vehicle. Who knew?

I can believe it. She&#039;s new enough to qualify for the Blame Game. And she is terrible. I could only get through 15 minutes of her &quot;Fleabag&quot; claim to fame.

There are rumors that Kathleen Kennedy, the head of Lucasfilm who killed the Star Wars franchise, is on the chopping block.

However, as deserving as she surely is, her contract isn&#039;t up until 2024. No reason to fire her now. Just let her contract expire.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the rumor mill Phoebe Waller-Bridge, the insufferable Mary Sue slotted to replace Harrison Ford, has been axed from six future Disney/Lucas projects. </p>
<p>Including an &#8220;Aliens&#8221; vehicle. Who knew?</p>
<p>I can believe it. She&#8217;s new enough to qualify for the Blame Game. And she is terrible. I could only get through 15 minutes of her &#8220;Fleabag&#8221; claim to fame.</p>
<p>There are rumors that Kathleen Kennedy, the head of Lucasfilm who killed the Star Wars franchise, is on the chopping block.</p>
<p>However, as deserving as she surely is, her contract isn&#8217;t up until 2024. No reason to fire her now. Just let her contract expire.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2023 00:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: Indy 5 update

Indy 5 is dead in the water as &quot;Mission Impossible 7&quot; is about to release tomorrow and crush any hopes Disney/Lucas had for a miracle revival before they lose another few hundred mil on their bottom line.

It&#039;s a desperate situation. Disney/Lucas is spinning exactly as the Biden administration -- it&#039;s going great folks, just some toxic right-wingers screwing it up for everyone else.

The problem is that the Disney amusement parks are also getting clobbered. 

It&#039;s almost as if half the country has figured out that Disney wants to send them to reeducation camps and they have decided to take their business elsewhere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Indy 5 update</p>
<p>Indy 5 is dead in the water as &#8220;Mission Impossible 7&#8221; is about to release tomorrow and crush any hopes Disney/Lucas had for a miracle revival before they lose another few hundred mil on their bottom line.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a desperate situation. Disney/Lucas is spinning exactly as the Biden administration &#8212; it&#8217;s going great folks, just some toxic right-wingers screwing it up for everyone else.</p>
<p>The problem is that the Disney amusement parks are also getting clobbered. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s almost as if half the country has figured out that Disney wants to send them to reeducation camps and they have decided to take their business elsewhere.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2023 21:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Snow on Pines		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/11/open-thread-7-11-23/#comment-2688476</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2023 21:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley—It seems to me that what is “extraordinary” is very much in the eye of the beholder.

So—excepting a landing on the White House lawn, or an Alien body— what would qualify as “extraordinary” proof?

Would a manufactured object that did not—in major ways—look like it was manufactured here on Earth do it?

How about obviously manufactured materials with extraordinary properties or isotopic ratios not found here on Earth, would that do it?

How about a craft able to execute very high G maneuvers and abrupt 90 degree turns, would that do it?

How about knowledge about major forces in the Universe we here on Earth know nothing about, would that do it?

Or would some biological specimen which was not built on DNA and not related in any way to any Earth species do it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley—It seems to me that what is “extraordinary” is very much in the eye of the beholder.</p>
<p>So—excepting a landing on the White House lawn, or an Alien body— what would qualify as “extraordinary” proof?</p>
<p>Would a manufactured object that did not—in major ways—look like it was manufactured here on Earth do it?</p>
<p>How about obviously manufactured materials with extraordinary properties or isotopic ratios not found here on Earth, would that do it?</p>
<p>How about a craft able to execute very high G maneuvers and abrupt 90 degree turns, would that do it?</p>
<p>How about knowledge about major forces in the Universe we here on Earth know nothing about, would that do it?</p>
<p>Or would some biological specimen which was not built on DNA and not related in any way to any Earth species do it?</p>
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		By: Brian E		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/11/open-thread-7-11-23/#comment-2688475</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2023 21:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A few days ago Neo commented on a call by Ben and Jerry&#039;s to return Mt. Rushmore to the Indians. 

I had a chance conversation with the Director of our local museum which dovetails with the efforts to assuage our collective consciences (at least the woke crowd) for settling the country on top of the previous cultures.

In the 50&#039;s an amateur anthropologist by the name of Adam East donated a collection of Indian artifacts found along Columbia River to our town, including a small building named after him, the Adam East Museum. As a kid I remember it as mostly arrowheads and such. 
The town was named after Chief Loolowkin/Quetalican (more commonly known as Moses, a name given to him by the head of a mission school at Lapwai, Id.) Loolowkin&#039;s father sent him to the school at age 10 to learn about the White Man&#039;s powerful magic in a book. Indian&#039;s routinely changed names several times during their lives.
Back to the conversation. I asked the Director why they no longer displayed his collection. The original museum was closed in the 90&#039;s and a new Museum and Art Center was opened for the benefit of the yuppy wives in town. I suggested they at least have a display once a year to remind people of the area&#039;s history.
She informed me his collection was safely stored away and they were in conversation with the confederated Colville tribe (where Moses&#039; Sinkiuse band were finally settled in the late 1800&#039;s) as to the disposition of the artifacts including returning them to the confederation. (The Sincayuse/Sinkiuse/Columbia tribe now numbers a few hundred).

She informed me that East had &quot;stolen&quot; the artifacts he found along the Columbia River where the tribe roamed.
I replied that stolen was a strong word. 

That&#039;s the attitude of the woke crowd. East stole the artifacts found on public land along the river-- a hundred miles from the reservation the few survivors of the Sinkiuse band live on and by extension, we stole the land that is Washington state from the Indians and by extension, the entire country.

Did we steal the land? In 1850, a few years after Washington territory was divided from the Oregon territory, Indians in Washington outnumbered European settlers (about 9,000 whites). By 1860 the number of settlers was 26,000, and gave the whites a numberical advantage when raising volunteer armies to fight the various wars erupting soon after the Indians tribes had signed treaties relinquishing lands for cash, hunting and fishing rights and designated reservations.

Not all the Indians from the various tribes agreed and before the treaties were ratified by Congress in 1859 and series of skirmishes and battles erupted in what is called the Indian Wars.

There are no reliable records of the Indian population in the territory at that time, but even assuming it was in the 15-20000 range in 1850, the numerous tribes were scattered over the 66,000 square miles of the territory.

By 1855, the tribes were beginning to see the influx of settlers in greater numbers and some recognized the loss of lands was inevitable.

If we apply the same rationale to the immigration along our southern border today to the European immigration 150-200 years ago, how different would be the narrative! Those Indians selfishly keeping more land than they could possibly use!

One of the objections to the reservations by one of the Chiefs was the Indians would never want to work so hard to till the land. As it was then, the tribes did have to work harvesting tubers or berries and hunt game or fish in season, but that was a far cry from the amount of work necessary to till the land.

Had the tribes united in 1850 to drive the settlers out and keep them from immigrating, they might have had success. That was never a realistic option because the tribes themselves were often rivals and at odds with one another.

Throughout history borders have been formed based on the group&#039;s ability to defend them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few days ago Neo commented on a call by Ben and Jerry&#8217;s to return Mt. Rushmore to the Indians. </p>
<p>I had a chance conversation with the Director of our local museum which dovetails with the efforts to assuage our collective consciences (at least the woke crowd) for settling the country on top of the previous cultures.</p>
<p>In the 50&#8217;s an amateur anthropologist by the name of Adam East donated a collection of Indian artifacts found along Columbia River to our town, including a small building named after him, the Adam East Museum. As a kid I remember it as mostly arrowheads and such.<br />
The town was named after Chief Loolowkin/Quetalican (more commonly known as Moses, a name given to him by the head of a mission school at Lapwai, Id.) Loolowkin&#8217;s father sent him to the school at age 10 to learn about the White Man&#8217;s powerful magic in a book. Indian&#8217;s routinely changed names several times during their lives.<br />
Back to the conversation. I asked the Director why they no longer displayed his collection. The original museum was closed in the 90&#8217;s and a new Museum and Art Center was opened for the benefit of the yuppy wives in town. I suggested they at least have a display once a year to remind people of the area&#8217;s history.<br />
She informed me his collection was safely stored away and they were in conversation with the confederated Colville tribe (where Moses&#8217; Sinkiuse band were finally settled in the late 1800&#8217;s) as to the disposition of the artifacts including returning them to the confederation. (The Sincayuse/Sinkiuse/Columbia tribe now numbers a few hundred).</p>
<p>She informed me that East had &#8220;stolen&#8221; the artifacts he found along the Columbia River where the tribe roamed.<br />
I replied that stolen was a strong word. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the attitude of the woke crowd. East stole the artifacts found on public land along the river&#8211; a hundred miles from the reservation the few survivors of the Sinkiuse band live on and by extension, we stole the land that is Washington state from the Indians and by extension, the entire country.</p>
<p>Did we steal the land? In 1850, a few years after Washington territory was divided from the Oregon territory, Indians in Washington outnumbered European settlers (about 9,000 whites). By 1860 the number of settlers was 26,000, and gave the whites a numberical advantage when raising volunteer armies to fight the various wars erupting soon after the Indians tribes had signed treaties relinquishing lands for cash, hunting and fishing rights and designated reservations.</p>
<p>Not all the Indians from the various tribes agreed and before the treaties were ratified by Congress in 1859 and series of skirmishes and battles erupted in what is called the Indian Wars.</p>
<p>There are no reliable records of the Indian population in the territory at that time, but even assuming it was in the 15-20000 range in 1850, the numerous tribes were scattered over the 66,000 square miles of the territory.</p>
<p>By 1855, the tribes were beginning to see the influx of settlers in greater numbers and some recognized the loss of lands was inevitable.</p>
<p>If we apply the same rationale to the immigration along our southern border today to the European immigration 150-200 years ago, how different would be the narrative! Those Indians selfishly keeping more land than they could possibly use!</p>
<p>One of the objections to the reservations by one of the Chiefs was the Indians would never want to work so hard to till the land. As it was then, the tribes did have to work harvesting tubers or berries and hunt game or fish in season, but that was a far cry from the amount of work necessary to till the land.</p>
<p>Had the tribes united in 1850 to drive the settlers out and keep them from immigrating, they might have had success. That was never a realistic option because the tribes themselves were often rivals and at odds with one another.</p>
<p>Throughout history borders have been formed based on the group&#8217;s ability to defend them.</p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2023 20:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So finally read the article on Weissman / Shapely. Sho&#039; nuff the zinger was buried near the end - NYT sources (in NYT story) confirm Shapely&#039;s story.

Also noted that, like almost all coverage, article simply claims &quot;Shapely says Weissman was blocked&quot;.

NO, NO, NO: Shapely says that WEISSMAN  SAID he was blocked! Important difference.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So finally read the article on Weissman / Shapely. Sho&#8217; nuff the zinger was buried near the end &#8211; NYT sources (in NYT story) confirm Shapely&#8217;s story.</p>
<p>Also noted that, like almost all coverage, article simply claims &#8220;Shapely says Weissman was blocked&#8221;.</p>
<p>NO, NO, NO: Shapely says that WEISSMAN  SAID he was blocked! Important difference.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;For myself, following Sagan’s advice on extraordinary claims...&lt;/i&gt;

physicsguy:

Sagan&#039;s maxim, &quot;Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence,&quot; has long left me wondering precisely what specific apparatus and procedures are used by scientists to measure the &quot;extraordinariness&quot; of a claim. Or evidence for that matter.

I don&#039;t believe &quot;extraordinary&quot; has an operational definition beyond the brackets of personal or cultural beliefs. 

These days, according to current science at top universities, the claim that sex is not binary but a continuum, is not considered extraordinary nor does it require extraordinary evidence or much evidence at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>For myself, following Sagan’s advice on extraordinary claims&#8230;</i></p>
<p>physicsguy:</p>
<p>Sagan&#8217;s maxim, &#8220;Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence,&#8221; has long left me wondering precisely what specific apparatus and procedures are used by scientists to measure the &#8220;extraordinariness&#8221; of a claim. Or evidence for that matter.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe &#8220;extraordinary&#8221; has an operational definition beyond the brackets of personal or cultural beliefs. </p>
<p>These days, according to current science at top universities, the claim that sex is not binary but a continuum, is not considered extraordinary nor does it require extraordinary evidence or much evidence at all.</p>
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