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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/08/open-thread-7-8-23/#comment-2688317</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2023 21:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Original question:   Are we alone?  Speaker attempted to prove a negative, considering the numbers of possibilities.  Left a number of holes.

Are there planets with other life forms which are intelligent?  Why not?

Have said intelligent life forms managed interstellar travel?  We have, see Voyager.  Be awhile before it goes motoring past some other planet with the capability to spot it.  But there is time.

Are any of the former hanging out in our neighborhood?  Various phenomena need to be proven negatively.

Oumuamua was an enormous rock, zipping through our solar system.  It came from interstellar space.  Not one of our Oort Cloud thingies.  Rock.  Which means it was once part of a solar system, in a body large enough to compress various compounds into rock, and made late enough in galactic life to have accumulated the heavier elements manufactured and then generously distributed by supernovae.

Okay.  How did it get loose from its primary?  An unlikely combination of mutually-reinforcing slingshots?

One article says there are probably one interstellar body a year coming through but they&#039;re too faint to easily detect.  Since we&#039;re so small and....that&#039;s a lot of rocks out there running around loose.

Whatever got them loose might well apply to somebody else&#039;s interplanetary vehicles.  Could be some time, obviously, like maybe 300k years.

Wouldn&#039;t explain the foo fighters or other phenomena, but not entirely out of the bounds.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Original question:   Are we alone?  Speaker attempted to prove a negative, considering the numbers of possibilities.  Left a number of holes.</p>
<p>Are there planets with other life forms which are intelligent?  Why not?</p>
<p>Have said intelligent life forms managed interstellar travel?  We have, see Voyager.  Be awhile before it goes motoring past some other planet with the capability to spot it.  But there is time.</p>
<p>Are any of the former hanging out in our neighborhood?  Various phenomena need to be proven negatively.</p>
<p>Oumuamua was an enormous rock, zipping through our solar system.  It came from interstellar space.  Not one of our Oort Cloud thingies.  Rock.  Which means it was once part of a solar system, in a body large enough to compress various compounds into rock, and made late enough in galactic life to have accumulated the heavier elements manufactured and then generously distributed by supernovae.</p>
<p>Okay.  How did it get loose from its primary?  An unlikely combination of mutually-reinforcing slingshots?</p>
<p>One article says there are probably one interstellar body a year coming through but they&#8217;re too faint to easily detect.  Since we&#8217;re so small and&#8230;.that&#8217;s a lot of rocks out there running around loose.</p>
<p>Whatever got them loose might well apply to somebody else&#8217;s interplanetary vehicles.  Could be some time, obviously, like maybe 300k years.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t explain the foo fighters or other phenomena, but not entirely out of the bounds.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/08/open-thread-7-8-23/#comment-2688276</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2023 16:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, Episcopalians, maybe.
Yeah, I&#039;ve seen a few of those...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Episcopalians, maybe.<br />
Yeah, I&#8217;ve seen a few of those&#8230;</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/08/open-thread-7-8-23/#comment-2688263</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2023 15:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Showboaters in Congress?  Inconceivable.  These one just identified an &quot;exestential&quot; unverifiable subject. 

Question.  

Will the answer to the UFO &quot;exestential&quot; ultimate question be found before you or I meet our maker?  No?  Then maybe you are wasting your time in the here  and now.  But you be you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Showboaters in Congress?  Inconceivable.  These one just identified an &#8220;exestential&#8221; unverifiable subject. </p>
<p>Question.  </p>
<p>Will the answer to the UFO &#8220;exestential&#8221; ultimate question be found before you or I meet our maker?  No?  Then maybe you are wasting your time in the here  and now.  But you be you.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/08/open-thread-7-8-23/#comment-2688259</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2023 14:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RE:  UFOs-

If you firmly believe that there is no such thing as Aliens, and that UFOs are all just misperceptions of natural things, well, then, the actions that members of Congress are taking with regard to what you see as the illusory subjects of UFOs, secret crash retrievals and reverse engineering programs, and Aliens are wastes of time and money.

As I see it, though, what is happening is that a few members of Congress have seen enough in the classified briefings that they have gotten to realize that we may be facing a major--perhaps even one of those fabled &quot;existential&quot; threats--one that needs action on an urgent basis.

And, so, some, in this particular instance, and on this particular subject, some members of Congress have dispensed with the usual empty, divisive rhetoric and posturing, and are trying to drag information on the above subjects out of programs and activities buried deep within our government&#039;s classified programs which have been hidden from them for many decades, so that they can judge for themselves-- and for us--the nature of what we are facing, if it is a threat, and what needs to be done.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  UFOs-</p>
<p>If you firmly believe that there is no such thing as Aliens, and that UFOs are all just misperceptions of natural things, well, then, the actions that members of Congress are taking with regard to what you see as the illusory subjects of UFOs, secret crash retrievals and reverse engineering programs, and Aliens are wastes of time and money.</p>
<p>As I see it, though, what is happening is that a few members of Congress have seen enough in the classified briefings that they have gotten to realize that we may be facing a major&#8211;perhaps even one of those fabled &#8220;existential&#8221; threats&#8211;one that needs action on an urgent basis.</p>
<p>And, so, some, in this particular instance, and on this particular subject, some members of Congress have dispensed with the usual empty, divisive rhetoric and posturing, and are trying to drag information on the above subjects out of programs and activities buried deep within our government&#8217;s classified programs which have been hidden from them for many decades, so that they can judge for themselves&#8211; and for us&#8211;the nature of what we are facing, if it is a threat, and what needs to be done.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/08/open-thread-7-8-23/#comment-2688248</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2023 05:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;...Disney is...&quot;
Fuggedaboudit. 
It&#039;s a Mickey Mouse organization (as the old joke goes...but for some reason, they&#039;re trying incredibly hard to show us that it&#039;s NOT a joke...).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;Disney is&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Fuggedaboudit.<br />
It&#8217;s a Mickey Mouse organization (as the old joke goes&#8230;but for some reason, they&#8217;re trying incredibly hard to show us that it&#8217;s NOT a joke&#8230;).</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/08/open-thread-7-8-23/#comment-2688247</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2023 05:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Found this on my YouTube sidebar - fascinating. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLJ-3T7K9rE

Created by the U.S. Navy&#039;s Industrial Incentive Division and the Office of Strategic Service (OSS) during WWII, this &quot;Nazi version&quot; of the Normandy invasion is a translated, authentic German newsreel. The strategy at work here is taken from Frank Capra, who used authentic enemy newsreels and motion picture films in his &quot;Why We Fight&quot; series to provide insight into the Axis. This film, like &quot;Why We Fight&quot;, was intended to make its intended audience — American war workers to whom these types of incentive films were shown —outraged, helping them focus on the vital task of production. 

The film shows the considerable German coastal defenses at Normandy, and the organized, efficient, and effective resistance they offered on the beaches at 2:00. At 2:29, the pre-dawn aerial attacks by the Allies are met with heavy gunfire. At 3:20, Allied ships encounter barrage mines and light German naval units enter the battle. At 4:48, heavy German artillery enters the battle and makes direct strikes on the invasion fleet. At 5:30 coastal defense are seen including pillboxes and anti-personnel barbed wire and emplacements. At 6:00, SS troops oppose a landing with flame throwing weapons. At 6:22, wrecked landing craft are shown. At 8:11, U.S. Airborne troops who are now prisoner are shown. At 9:20, wrecked WACO gliders are shown as well as Canadian prisoners. At 10:30 the battle continues at Cairns, with heavy bombing by aircraft opposed by railroad-mounted AA guns. At 12:00, civilians are shown fleeing the Allied invasion, as German armored divisions with tanks move forward. A wrecked Canadian Sherman  tank is seen at 13:40. In short, the &quot;German version of Invasion&quot; portrays the German Army in the aftermath of D-Day, apparently winning many battles and turning the tide of war in favor of the Wehrmacht. The film also illustrates how Germany believes it is far from beaten. A unique look at the war from the other side!

We encourage viewers to add comments and, especially, to provide additional information about our videos by adding a comment!  See something interesting?  Tell people what it is and what they can see by writing something for example: &quot;01:00:12:00 -- President Roosevelt is seen meeting with Winston Churchill at the Quebec Conference.&quot;

This film is part of the Periscope Film LLC archive, one of the largest historic military, transportation, and aviation stock footage collections]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found this on my YouTube sidebar &#8211; fascinating.<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLJ-3T7K9rE" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLJ-3T7K9rE</a></p>
<p>Created by the U.S. Navy&#8217;s Industrial Incentive Division and the Office of Strategic Service (OSS) during WWII, this &#8220;Nazi version&#8221; of the Normandy invasion is a translated, authentic German newsreel. The strategy at work here is taken from Frank Capra, who used authentic enemy newsreels and motion picture films in his &#8220;Why We Fight&#8221; series to provide insight into the Axis. This film, like &#8220;Why We Fight&#8221;, was intended to make its intended audience — American war workers to whom these types of incentive films were shown —outraged, helping them focus on the vital task of production. </p>
<p>The film shows the considerable German coastal defenses at Normandy, and the organized, efficient, and effective resistance they offered on the beaches at 2:00. At 2:29, the pre-dawn aerial attacks by the Allies are met with heavy gunfire. At 3:20, Allied ships encounter barrage mines and light German naval units enter the battle. At 4:48, heavy German artillery enters the battle and makes direct strikes on the invasion fleet. At 5:30 coastal defense are seen including pillboxes and anti-personnel barbed wire and emplacements. At 6:00, SS troops oppose a landing with flame throwing weapons. At 6:22, wrecked landing craft are shown. At 8:11, U.S. Airborne troops who are now prisoner are shown. At 9:20, wrecked WACO gliders are shown as well as Canadian prisoners. At 10:30 the battle continues at Cairns, with heavy bombing by aircraft opposed by railroad-mounted AA guns. At 12:00, civilians are shown fleeing the Allied invasion, as German armored divisions with tanks move forward. A wrecked Canadian Sherman  tank is seen at 13:40. In short, the &#8220;German version of Invasion&#8221; portrays the German Army in the aftermath of D-Day, apparently winning many battles and turning the tide of war in favor of the Wehrmacht. The film also illustrates how Germany believes it is far from beaten. A unique look at the war from the other side!</p>
<p>We encourage viewers to add comments and, especially, to provide additional information about our videos by adding a comment!  See something interesting?  Tell people what it is and what they can see by writing something for example: &#8220;01:00:12:00 &#8212; President Roosevelt is seen meeting with Winston Churchill at the Quebec Conference.&#8221;</p>
<p>This film is part of the Periscope Film LLC archive, one of the largest historic military, transportation, and aviation stock footage collections</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/08/open-thread-7-8-23/#comment-2688246</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2023 05:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Au contraire:

Everyone knows they are in Area 51, or Roswell, or Antarctica, or in the deep dark recesses of the super secret military industrial complex warehouses (with the Ark of the Covenant).  Science fiction is still fiction.  Project Blue Book was a thing way back in the last century, first heard of it and read the Blue Book in the early 1960s.  Funny the UFOs are still almost as provable now as they were then.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Au contraire:</p>
<p>Everyone knows they are in Area 51, or Roswell, or Antarctica, or in the deep dark recesses of the super secret military industrial complex warehouses (with the Ark of the Covenant).  Science fiction is still fiction.  Project Blue Book was a thing way back in the last century, first heard of it and read the Blue Book in the early 1960s.  Funny the UFOs are still almost as provable now as they were then.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/08/open-thread-7-8-23/#comment-2688245</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2023 05:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The only thing that has been conclusively demonstrated is that there is no intelligent life on earth.

(Present company excepted, of course.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing that has been conclusively demonstrated is that there is no intelligent life on earth.</p>
<p>(Present company excepted, of course.)</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/08/open-thread-7-8-23/#comment-2688244</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2023 05:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe this will clear up some of the UFO questions. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enisdXlVhzE

Alien Confused As Earth Leaders Try To Explain All The Human Genders

The Babylon Bee]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe this will clear up some of the UFO questions.<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enisdXlVhzE" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enisdXlVhzE</a></p>
<p>Alien Confused As Earth Leaders Try To Explain All The Human Genders</p>
<p>The Babylon Bee</p>
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		By: Jon baker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/07/08/open-thread-7-8-23/#comment-2688242</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon baker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2023 05:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Apparently we can put &quot; om &quot; into the &quot; ...mind&#039;s made up , there are no aliens near Earth... &quot; category.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently we can put &#8221; om &#8221; into the &#8221; &#8230;mind&#8217;s made up , there are no aliens near Earth&#8230; &#8221; category.</p>
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