Comments on: Waivers and risk: the Titan submersible https://thenewneo.com/2023/06/23/waivers-and-risk-the-titan-submersible/ A blog about political change, among other things Sun, 25 Jun 2023 11:00:40 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: Instapundit » Blog Archive » THE TITAN, WAIVERS, AND RISK: You may wonder how anyone could sign something like that. But I sub https://thenewneo.com/2023/06/23/waivers-and-risk-the-titan-submersible/#comment-2685962 Sun, 25 Jun 2023 11:00:40 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=126759#comment-2685962 […] THE TITAN, WAIVERS, AND RISK: […]

]]> By: Barry Meislin https://thenewneo.com/2023/06/23/waivers-and-risk-the-titan-submersible/#comment-2685943 Sun, 25 Jun 2023 07:14:07 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=126759#comment-2685943 This whole matter of responsibility and waivers seems to me to raise another issue, at least in this case, vis-a-vis the German adventurer who survived a previous trip and claimed it was a miracle he didn’t die (Reposted):
“It was a suicide mission back then!”….
https://nypost.com/2023/06/21/former-titanic-sub-passenger-dubs-dive-a-suicide-mission/
It seems he decided to disclose this information only AFTER the submersible’s disappearance.
The question is: Did this person have a responsibility to go public with his warnings BEFORE the catastrophe…in an effort to prevent such a catastrophe from occurring?

]]> By: Rachelle https://thenewneo.com/2023/06/23/waivers-and-risk-the-titan-submersible/#comment-2685937 Sun, 25 Jun 2023 06:32:21 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=126759#comment-2685937 Sailorcurt: “Maybe I’m just a sociopath. I don’t feel “sorrow” for the deaths of people who died as a result of their own actions or choices”
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Maybe you are a bit of a sociopath. I can be hard when necessary and have been said to be heartless, but I instantly felt sad for those folks. So they were privileged? So they took risks? It is sad that they were killed. I don’t understand why someone can’t see that. It’s disturbing that one can even be proud of being that callous.

]]> By: Oligonicella https://thenewneo.com/2023/06/23/waivers-and-risk-the-titan-submersible/#comment-2685850 Sat, 24 Jun 2023 20:30:15 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=126759#comment-2685850 Oh, forgot.

We had a one page waver and for every applicant under 21, I spoke directly with their parents – every year.

]]> By: Oligonicella https://thenewneo.com/2023/06/23/waivers-and-risk-the-titan-submersible/#comment-2685848 Sat, 24 Jun 2023 20:28:34 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=126759#comment-2685848 When people wanted to join my stunt show (live steel, risky) they had to endure one year of training then only participated in low-level, choreographed displays the first year. This weeded out many who saw it as play time. I taught weapons – I was an asshole. Dennis taught stunts – he was an asshole. The reason we were was to make those who didn’t take it seriously enough quit. Worked.

We had a few minor accidents but they were mitigated by everyone being alert and not straying from script. I myself caught a stave to the face, removing a front tooth and yes, I consider that minor.

To give an example of how different people will view things differently; the jousters thought we were crazy and we thought the jousters were crazy but no one from either camp left the field on a stretcher.

Counter that; SCA, which used ratan swords and armor had Raven carried out with a wrenched back and the Renegades, who just swung a bunch of shit at each other, had one gal taken out because she caught an axe to the forehead (not lethal).

It seems to me that the sub venture was closer to the latter groups.

]]> By: Chases Eagles https://thenewneo.com/2023/06/23/waivers-and-risk-the-titan-submersible/#comment-2685838 Sat, 24 Jun 2023 19:57:49 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=126759#comment-2685838 Art Deco’s snark aside, they (the searchers) want to do it and it is good training.

]]> By: FOAF https://thenewneo.com/2023/06/23/waivers-and-risk-the-titan-submersible/#comment-2685837 Sat, 24 Jun 2023 19:57:16 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=126759#comment-2685837 A subtext here is that our society has become so legalistic and litigious that we’ve ended up with “TL;DR” waivers for everything from kindergarten T-ball on up, thus making them less effective in the cases where they are really needed.

]]> By: Art Deco https://thenewneo.com/2023/06/23/waivers-and-risk-the-titan-submersible/#comment-2685833 Sat, 24 Jun 2023 19:43:05 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=126759#comment-2685833 But, why should the taxpayer funded park rangers then have to do a search and rescue because of their lack of planning? Why should the taxpayer have funded the search and recovery for JFK jr’s plane and remains? Why should the US government have spent time and resources in aiding people who go abroad and do stupid things to get into legal trouble with a foreign government? And in this case why spend tax dollars searching for these people who wanted to so gruesomely (and dangerously) look at a famous shipwreck?
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To irritate you. That makes it worth it.

]]> By: om https://thenewneo.com/2023/06/23/waivers-and-risk-the-titan-submersible/#comment-2685826 Sat, 24 Jun 2023 19:23:40 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=126759#comment-2685826 This video should inform many questioning the Ocean Quest Titan disaster:

What’s Next for Titan | Classification | Search | SOSUS Detection | US & Canada Investigations – What’s Up With Shipping

Sal Mercogliano, the speaker, is a frequent guest on Midrats (cdrsalamanderblogspot.com); he is a credible analyst IMO.

TSupport What’s Going on With Shipping via:
Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/wgowshipping
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Timestamps:
Email: mercoglianosal@gmail.com

00:00 Introduction
00:58 1. Classification
03:46 2. SOS & Search and Rescue
05:54 3. US Navy SOSUS Detection
08:41 4. Investigation
14:48 5. Thank You

]]> By: miguel cervantes https://thenewneo.com/2023/06/23/waivers-and-risk-the-titan-submersible/#comment-2685821 Sat, 24 Jun 2023 19:12:33 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=126759#comment-2685821 https://notthebee.com/article/oceangate-fired-an-engineer-in-2018-who-warned-the-carbon-fiber-hull-of-its-submarine-was-not-safe

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