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		By: Cappy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2023 12:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well well well.  I just thought the social wokers were picking on me during the divorce.

Now everyone can enjoy it!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well well well.  I just thought the social wokers were picking on me during the divorce.</p>
<p>Now everyone can enjoy it!</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/06/23/california-bill-therapist-power-over-parent-power/#comment-2686049</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2023 03:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I found CBT [Cognitive Behavioral Therapy] very useful after my youthful divorce. It makes the client the master of her soul, so to speak, rather than the victim of outside circumstances. &lt;/i&gt;

Jamie:

Excellent! Thanks for your account. That movement from being a victim to being an agent is crucial. 

Aside from my political disagreements with leftists, I find their non-stop focus, on making one&#039;s victimization the meaning of one&#039;s life, to be pure poison for mental  health.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I found CBT [Cognitive Behavioral Therapy] very useful after my youthful divorce. It makes the client the master of her soul, so to speak, rather than the victim of outside circumstances. </i></p>
<p>Jamie:</p>
<p>Excellent! Thanks for your account. That movement from being a victim to being an agent is crucial. </p>
<p>Aside from my political disagreements with leftists, I find their non-stop focus, on making one&#8217;s victimization the meaning of one&#8217;s life, to be pure poison for mental  health.</p>
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		By: Jamie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jun 2023 19:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I found CBT very useful after my youthful divorce. It makes the client the master of her soul, so to speak, rather than the victim of outside circumstances. It teaches that our feelings are just feelings but we have agency over our actions, and given time and the feedback we receive from &lt;i&gt;acting&lt;/i&gt; in healthy ways even if we don&#039;t &lt;i&gt;feel&lt;/i&gt; like doing so, our feelings can change to reflect more accurately what is really happening in our lives.

I was divorced at 23 and &lt;i&gt;felt&lt;/i&gt; that my life was over - that I was as worthless as my ex-husband had told me I was, would never again find someone who would love me and whom I could love, would never amount to anything. My therapist helped me take control of how I was perceiving these feelings and how I acted in the real world - so that, for instance, I didn&#039;t become either a hermit or a slut. I was in weekly therapy for about a year, IIRC, and found it incredibly enlivening to come in talking about my &quot;failures&quot; and have her help me examine my life as if seeing it from the outside. When I used my mind instead of my feelings, I could see that my &quot;failures&quot; (like arguing with a new boyfriend about boundaries, for instance, or not being able to afford a full tank of gas because I was putting myself through college for a second degree) were productive steps on the path toward an interesting career and a healthy and supportive relationship.

Two thumbs up. Like. Would recommend.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found CBT very useful after my youthful divorce. It makes the client the master of her soul, so to speak, rather than the victim of outside circumstances. It teaches that our feelings are just feelings but we have agency over our actions, and given time and the feedback we receive from <i>acting</i> in healthy ways even if we don&#8217;t <i>feel</i> like doing so, our feelings can change to reflect more accurately what is really happening in our lives.</p>
<p>I was divorced at 23 and <i>felt</i> that my life was over &#8211; that I was as worthless as my ex-husband had told me I was, would never again find someone who would love me and whom I could love, would never amount to anything. My therapist helped me take control of how I was perceiving these feelings and how I acted in the real world &#8211; so that, for instance, I didn&#8217;t become either a hermit or a slut. I was in weekly therapy for about a year, IIRC, and found it incredibly enlivening to come in talking about my &#8220;failures&#8221; and have her help me examine my life as if seeing it from the outside. When I used my mind instead of my feelings, I could see that my &#8220;failures&#8221; (like arguing with a new boyfriend about boundaries, for instance, or not being able to afford a full tank of gas because I was putting myself through college for a second degree) were productive steps on the path toward an interesting career and a healthy and supportive relationship.</p>
<p>Two thumbs up. Like. Would recommend.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/06/23/california-bill-therapist-power-over-parent-power/#comment-2685864</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2023 21:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I have taken the liberty of copying those insights and emailing them to my address list, because I believe they could be helpful to some.&lt;/i&gt;

Oldflyer:

By all means. I did write in no small hope that what I said might reach a few who could benefit.

I don&#039;t claim the final word on depression, but IMO for many, if not the majority, of people, depression can be the result of using the brain and body poorly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I have taken the liberty of copying those insights and emailing them to my address list, because I believe they could be helpful to some.</i></p>
<p>Oldflyer:</p>
<p>By all means. I did write in no small hope that what I said might reach a few who could benefit.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t claim the final word on depression, but IMO for many, if not the majority, of people, depression can be the result of using the brain and body poorly.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2023 18:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco:

Of course the system itself wasn&#039;t talking.   I quite obviously meant the people &lt;i&gt;trained in that system of thought&lt;/i&gt;, who had bought into the philosophy that went with it, were the ones doing the talking.

Same for social media.  Of course it&#039;s the people who use social media who create content. However, the people running the companies were censoring dissenting views for the most part. That meant that many other voices who were not in line with the trans-kid agenda were not heard very much on social media, and minors going to social media to get information and read conversations got a false impression of &quot;everything will be great once you transition.&quot;

Nor am I excusing therapists, who had a role as well. But for the rank-and-file therapists it was mostly as a rubber-stamp, to talk briefly to the person and then to send them on their way with a letter recommending medical treatment.  From there, the doctors and nurses took over, and they were responsible for giving the go-ahead to the more pernicious and often-irreversible treatments. Some more prominent therapists had a bigger role, in that they generated some of the philosophical and supposedly-clinical underpinnings of the movement. 

As for parents, the Jennings family was very destructive to their child&#039;s well-being, in my opinion.  They are very high profile, but there are others like them.  However, most parents involved in this are not of that ilk. Most are more reluctant and confused, and acquiesce because they are coerced by doctors and therapists into believing their child has a very high likelihood of committing suicide if the parents don&#039;t give consent for medical treatment with blockers and hormones and surgery.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco:</p>
<p>Of course the system itself wasn&#8217;t talking.   I quite obviously meant the people <i>trained in that system of thought</i>, who had bought into the philosophy that went with it, were the ones doing the talking.</p>
<p>Same for social media.  Of course it&#8217;s the people who use social media who create content. However, the people running the companies were censoring dissenting views for the most part. That meant that many other voices who were not in line with the trans-kid agenda were not heard very much on social media, and minors going to social media to get information and read conversations got a false impression of &#8220;everything will be great once you transition.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nor am I excusing therapists, who had a role as well. But for the rank-and-file therapists it was mostly as a rubber-stamp, to talk briefly to the person and then to send them on their way with a letter recommending medical treatment.  From there, the doctors and nurses took over, and they were responsible for giving the go-ahead to the more pernicious and often-irreversible treatments. Some more prominent therapists had a bigger role, in that they generated some of the philosophical and supposedly-clinical underpinnings of the movement. </p>
<p>As for parents, the Jennings family was very destructive to their child&#8217;s well-being, in my opinion.  They are very high profile, but there are others like them.  However, most parents involved in this are not of that ilk. Most are more reluctant and confused, and acquiesce because they are coerced by doctors and therapists into believing their child has a very high likelihood of committing suicide if the parents don&#8217;t give consent for medical treatment with blockers and hormones and surgery.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/06/23/california-bill-therapist-power-over-parent-power/#comment-2685815</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2023 18:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco:

Some practitioners have indeed left the state or even left the profession. That means that the ones who remain - and definitely the ones who work in so-called &quot;gender clinics&quot; or who bill themselves as &quot;gender therapists,&quot; are the true believers who only affirm.

For a long time, parents did not understand the game and took their kids to gender therapists, not realizing all they would do was &quot;affirm.&quot; Now I&#039;m hoping that parents are much more aware of the situation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco:</p>
<p>Some practitioners have indeed left the state or even left the profession. That means that the ones who remain &#8211; and definitely the ones who work in so-called &#8220;gender clinics&#8221; or who bill themselves as &#8220;gender therapists,&#8221; are the true believers who only affirm.</p>
<p>For a long time, parents did not understand the game and took their kids to gender therapists, not realizing all they would do was &#8220;affirm.&#8221; Now I&#8217;m hoping that parents are much more aware of the situation.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/06/23/california-bill-therapist-power-over-parent-power/#comment-2685811</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2023 18:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; To make matters even worse, in some states – California and I think Oregon and/or Washington – therapists are REQUIRED to affirm and not allowed to do what’s called “exploratory” (that is, regular) therapy.&lt;/i&gt;
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If the practitioners in question are on-the-level, they&#039;ll leave the state or go into a different line of work or just tell the apparatchiks &#039;bring it on, trash&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> To make matters even worse, in some states – California and I think Oregon and/or Washington – therapists are REQUIRED to affirm and not allowed to do what’s called “exploratory” (that is, regular) therapy.</i><br />
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If the practitioners in question are on-the-level, they&#8217;ll leave the state or go into a different line of work or just tell the apparatchiks &#8216;bring it on, trash&#8217;.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/06/23/california-bill-therapist-power-over-parent-power/#comment-2685809</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2023 18:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;For the most part, the damage was done by these things: an education system that kept talking about gender as something one can choose, a social media that encouraged young people to think of themselves as trans, the porn industry that frightened young girls into thinking that they did not want to be women if degradation was the lot of women, and the medical profession that gave/approved the blockers and the hormones and the surgery.&lt;/i&gt;
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The &#039;system&#039; wasn&#039;t talking about &#039;gender&#039;.  Sick-o teachers and administrators may have been, though not in every case.  &#039;Social media&#039; understood corporatively has been attempting to shape public discussion, but the social media companies are not producing content and you don&#039;t have to imbibe the content or pay much attention to it.  &#039;The medical profession&#039; wasn&#039;t plying her with hormones or surgery.  Sick-o physicians and surgeons were doing that (though apparatchiks like Carlos Mantilla are attempting to suppress any objections to it).  
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That other actors may have played a part in this (teachers and school administrators) and others certainly did (physicians and surgeons) doesn&#039;t excuse the garbage mental health tradesmen involved.  Through it all are two people who apparently have no influence over her, or crapped out at some point, or promoted it a la the Muchausen mommy in &lt;i&gt;I Am Jazz&lt;/i&gt;, her mother and father.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>For the most part, the damage was done by these things: an education system that kept talking about gender as something one can choose, a social media that encouraged young people to think of themselves as trans, the porn industry that frightened young girls into thinking that they did not want to be women if degradation was the lot of women, and the medical profession that gave/approved the blockers and the hormones and the surgery.</i><br />
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The &#8216;system&#8217; wasn&#8217;t talking about &#8216;gender&#8217;.  Sick-o teachers and administrators may have been, though not in every case.  &#8216;Social media&#8217; understood corporatively has been attempting to shape public discussion, but the social media companies are not producing content and you don&#8217;t have to imbibe the content or pay much attention to it.  &#8216;The medical profession&#8217; wasn&#8217;t plying her with hormones or surgery.  Sick-o physicians and surgeons were doing that (though apparatchiks like Carlos Mantilla are attempting to suppress any objections to it).<br />
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That other actors may have played a part in this (teachers and school administrators) and others certainly did (physicians and surgeons) doesn&#8217;t excuse the garbage mental health tradesmen involved.  Through it all are two people who apparently have no influence over her, or crapped out at some point, or promoted it a la the Muchausen mommy in <i>I Am Jazz</i>, her mother and father.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2023 18:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco:

For the most part, the damage was done by these things:  an education system that kept talking about gender as something one can choose, a social media that encouraged young people to think of themselves as trans, the porn industry that frightened young girls into thinking that they did not want to be women if degradation was the lot of women, and the medical profession that gave/approved the blockers and the hormones and the surgery.

The therapists initially involved with most of these kids merely &quot;affirmed&quot; what the kid was already saying - which is pretty pernicious and not what therapists should be doing, but was hardly the cause of the whole thing.  To make matters even worse, in some states - California and I think Oregon and/or Washington - therapists are REQUIRED to affirm and not allowed to do what&#039;s called &quot;exploratory&quot; (that is, regular) therapy.

So any later therapists who managed to help the person were certainly not just countering the damage caused by earlier therapists.  They were countering damage caused by a huge interlocking system of which the earlier therapists were only a small part.  If it wasn&#039;t for the medical establishment, the whole thing would be reversible, at least.  But because of the medical interventions, it often is not and irreversible physical damage is done.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco:</p>
<p>For the most part, the damage was done by these things:  an education system that kept talking about gender as something one can choose, a social media that encouraged young people to think of themselves as trans, the porn industry that frightened young girls into thinking that they did not want to be women if degradation was the lot of women, and the medical profession that gave/approved the blockers and the hormones and the surgery.</p>
<p>The therapists initially involved with most of these kids merely &#8220;affirmed&#8221; what the kid was already saying &#8211; which is pretty pernicious and not what therapists should be doing, but was hardly the cause of the whole thing.  To make matters even worse, in some states &#8211; California and I think Oregon and/or Washington &#8211; therapists are REQUIRED to affirm and not allowed to do what&#8217;s called &#8220;exploratory&#8221; (that is, regular) therapy.</p>
<p>So any later therapists who managed to help the person were certainly not just countering the damage caused by earlier therapists.  They were countering damage caused by a huge interlocking system of which the earlier therapists were only a small part.  If it wasn&#8217;t for the medical establishment, the whole thing would be reversible, at least.  But because of the medical interventions, it often is not and irreversible physical damage is done.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2023 17:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I may be unfair, but I have always regarded therapy, especially of the Freudian variety, as mostly politics and very little, if any, science. That impression wasn’t helped when I met people wishing to become therapists who had no understanding of other people and were equally clueless about themselves. They were remarkable in that regard, truly outliers.&lt;/i&gt;
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There are social perspectives promoted by purveyors of the talking cure, though not uniform ones.  Psychoanalysis as a clinical practice imploded between 1975 and 1985.  Charles Krauthammer remarking on it in 1984 noted that he had recently taken board certification examinations even though he&#039;d ceased practicing. (He maintained a medical license to the end of his life).  He said there wasn&#039;t one question on the examination which made use of the term &#039;neurosis&#039;.  When he&#039;d done his residency, one of his objects was dodging the requirement that he undergo analysis.  He&#039;d done his residency from 1976 to 1979.  Psychoanalysis evaporated that quickly.  When I worked for the U of R Medical Center a generation ago, there was just one member of the  psychiatry faculty who advertised his psychoanalytic training.  That man was born in 1923 and died in 1996.  
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It&#039;s my impression nowadays that psychiatrists write prescriptions and take a periodic inventory of your state of mind (which means listening politely to your kvetching), but they don&#039;t offer much of a talking cure.  Clinical psychologists, counselors, and social workers offer that, FWIW.  
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I&#039;d have to agree with you that many people in the trade are making the world worse in one way or another.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I may be unfair, but I have always regarded therapy, especially of the Freudian variety, as mostly politics and very little, if any, science. That impression wasn’t helped when I met people wishing to become therapists who had no understanding of other people and were equally clueless about themselves. They were remarkable in that regard, truly outliers.</i><br />
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There are social perspectives promoted by purveyors of the talking cure, though not uniform ones.  Psychoanalysis as a clinical practice imploded between 1975 and 1985.  Charles Krauthammer remarking on it in 1984 noted that he had recently taken board certification examinations even though he&#8217;d ceased practicing. (He maintained a medical license to the end of his life).  He said there wasn&#8217;t one question on the examination which made use of the term &#8216;neurosis&#8217;.  When he&#8217;d done his residency, one of his objects was dodging the requirement that he undergo analysis.  He&#8217;d done his residency from 1976 to 1979.  Psychoanalysis evaporated that quickly.  When I worked for the U of R Medical Center a generation ago, there was just one member of the  psychiatry faculty who advertised his psychoanalytic training.  That man was born in 1923 and died in 1996.<br />
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It&#8217;s my impression nowadays that psychiatrists write prescriptions and take a periodic inventory of your state of mind (which means listening politely to your kvetching), but they don&#8217;t offer much of a talking cure.  Clinical psychologists, counselors, and social workers offer that, FWIW.<br />
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I&#8217;d have to agree with you that many people in the trade are making the world worse in one way or another.</p>
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