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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2023 05:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ OBH &#038; huxley on the probability of nuclear armageddon, Harlan Ellison &quot;believed that Nuclear War was less likely than presumed.&quot;

Ellison, whose writing I admire tremendously, was very unlikely to have included this in his calculations.

https://notthebee.com/article/atomic-scientists-say-the-best-way-to-keep-nuclear-arsenals-secure-is-to-queer-them]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ OBH &amp; huxley on the probability of nuclear armageddon, Harlan Ellison &#8220;believed that Nuclear War was less likely than presumed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ellison, whose writing I admire tremendously, was very unlikely to have included this in his calculations.</p>
<p><a href="https://notthebee.com/article/atomic-scientists-say-the-best-way-to-keep-nuclear-arsenals-secure-is-to-queer-them" rel="nofollow ugc">https://notthebee.com/article/atomic-scientists-say-the-best-way-to-keep-nuclear-arsenals-secure-is-to-queer-them</a></p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2023 22:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder if there are other unsafe vehicles in the world, and whether this will deter risk-takers from using them?

My guess is &quot;Yes&quot; and &quot;For a while.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if there are other unsafe vehicles in the world, and whether this will deter risk-takers from using them?</p>
<p>My guess is &#8220;Yes&#8221; and &#8220;For a while.&#8221;</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2023 19:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Amazing how much people &quot;know&quot; about the deceased, their character now that they are dead in, to them, an  unexpected instant.  What&#039;s next, Rush was a suicidal psychopath?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing how much people &#8220;know&#8221; about the deceased, their character now that they are dead in, to them, an  unexpected instant.  What&#8217;s next, Rush was a suicidal psychopath?</p>
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		By: Cicero		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cicero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2023 19:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Three of the five in the imploded mini-sub were billionaires. They did no research on the vessel? They just got in and had the exit hatch bolted FROM THE OUTSIDE? Absent the implosion, which occurred at 9000 ft depth, if the Titan (aka BS &quot;sub&quot;), they had NO WAY to exit the vessel under any circumstances, could have run out of O2 while bobbing on the surface in fog.

I think these deaths were criminal and the passengers were extraordinary fools, foolishness which often accompanies wealth .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three of the five in the imploded mini-sub were billionaires. They did no research on the vessel? They just got in and had the exit hatch bolted FROM THE OUTSIDE? Absent the implosion, which occurred at 9000 ft depth, if the Titan (aka BS &#8220;sub&#8221;), they had NO WAY to exit the vessel under any circumstances, could have run out of O2 while bobbing on the surface in fog.</p>
<p>I think these deaths were criminal and the passengers were extraordinary fools, foolishness which often accompanies wealth .</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2023 18:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some &quot;thrill&quot; comes from &quot;I&#039;m going to die!!!&quot; reflex combined with the knowledge that you&#039;re not. There is, probably, no thrill in jumping out of an airplane without a parachute.
Roller coaster rides are supposed to be &quot;scary&quot;.
Sitting in a cramped compartment for hours, where you have to take turns stretching your legs, does not compare.
So, instead of thrill seekers, maybe they were Titanic freaks. Or just wanted another merit badge for the most inventive way to spend money.  &quot;TOP THIS, HUH?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some &#8220;thrill&#8221; comes from &#8220;I&#8217;m going to die!!!&#8221; reflex combined with the knowledge that you&#8217;re not. There is, probably, no thrill in jumping out of an airplane without a parachute.<br />
Roller coaster rides are supposed to be &#8220;scary&#8221;.<br />
Sitting in a cramped compartment for hours, where you have to take turns stretching your legs, does not compare.<br />
So, instead of thrill seekers, maybe they were Titanic freaks. Or just wanted another merit badge for the most inventive way to spend money.  &#8220;TOP THIS, HUH?&#8221;</p>
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		By: Chases Eagles		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chases Eagles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2023 17:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This sits outside in Keyport if you want to see a real DSV up close.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trieste_II_(Bathyscaphe)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sits outside in Keyport if you want to see a real DSV up close.<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trieste_II_(Bathyscaphe)" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trieste_II_(Bathyscaphe)</a></p>
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		By: Sailorcurt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sailorcurt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2023 16:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Isn’t THIS precisely the question, though?
How did this guy get away with doing this?
Are there no official standards and regulations for this sort of thing?&quot;

Why is it other people&#039;s responsibility to protect us from ourselves?  Why *should* there be &quot;official standards and regulations for this sort of thing?&quot;  What business is it of the government, or society in general, what risks people choose to take in their lives?

Freedom means not just the freedom to make good choices and live a risk free life.  Freedom means that we are also free to make stupid choices and take ridiculous risks if we so choose.

Freedom also comes with the responsibility to accept the consequences for those choices and actions.

&quot;Did the waiver that had to be signed by the clients/tourists actually say, “OUR SUB IS NOT CERTIFIED”? And then—perhaps—go on to explain, in detail, the why it wasn’t certified and the risks involved?&quot;

Have you watched the video uncovered where Mr. Rush said, very clearly and explicitly, exactly that?  He was leafing through the waiver form reading parts of it and, yes...it explicitly said that his vessel was not certified by any agency or body, that it was experimental and that its use could result in death.

I don&#039;t believe that any of them &quot;deserved&quot; to die for their folly.  But with the possible exception of the 19 year old, I don&#039;t feel &quot;sorrow&quot; over their deaths.  They weren&#039;t innocent, they chose to undertake those risks freely and willingly.  The risks in an undertaking such as this are obvious and clear, there&#039;s no amount of &quot;but Rush insisted it was safe&quot; that&#039;s going to convince me they didn&#039;t understand the dangers they were undertaking.

I have enormous empathy for their families and loved ones...especially the mother of the 19 year old.  They are the innocent victims of this tragedy, not the people who willingly put their lives at risk for a thrill.

If the reports that the 19 year old only agreed to go on the voyage to please his father are true, then I do have some sympathy for him.  He felt pressured and wasn&#039;t mature enough to resist that pressure.  While he was a legal adult and technically responsible for his decisions, he wasn&#039;t willingly accepting the risks, he was pressured to do so and that is worthy of empathy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Isn’t THIS precisely the question, though?<br />
How did this guy get away with doing this?<br />
Are there no official standards and regulations for this sort of thing?&#8221;</p>
<p>Why is it other people&#8217;s responsibility to protect us from ourselves?  Why *should* there be &#8220;official standards and regulations for this sort of thing?&#8221;  What business is it of the government, or society in general, what risks people choose to take in their lives?</p>
<p>Freedom means not just the freedom to make good choices and live a risk free life.  Freedom means that we are also free to make stupid choices and take ridiculous risks if we so choose.</p>
<p>Freedom also comes with the responsibility to accept the consequences for those choices and actions.</p>
<p>&#8220;Did the waiver that had to be signed by the clients/tourists actually say, “OUR SUB IS NOT CERTIFIED”? And then—perhaps—go on to explain, in detail, the why it wasn’t certified and the risks involved?&#8221;</p>
<p>Have you watched the video uncovered where Mr. Rush said, very clearly and explicitly, exactly that?  He was leafing through the waiver form reading parts of it and, yes&#8230;it explicitly said that his vessel was not certified by any agency or body, that it was experimental and that its use could result in death.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe that any of them &#8220;deserved&#8221; to die for their folly.  But with the possible exception of the 19 year old, I don&#8217;t feel &#8220;sorrow&#8221; over their deaths.  They weren&#8217;t innocent, they chose to undertake those risks freely and willingly.  The risks in an undertaking such as this are obvious and clear, there&#8217;s no amount of &#8220;but Rush insisted it was safe&#8221; that&#8217;s going to convince me they didn&#8217;t understand the dangers they were undertaking.</p>
<p>I have enormous empathy for their families and loved ones&#8230;especially the mother of the 19 year old.  They are the innocent victims of this tragedy, not the people who willingly put their lives at risk for a thrill.</p>
<p>If the reports that the 19 year old only agreed to go on the voyage to please his father are true, then I do have some sympathy for him.  He felt pressured and wasn&#8217;t mature enough to resist that pressure.  While he was a legal adult and technically responsible for his decisions, he wasn&#8217;t willingly accepting the risks, he was pressured to do so and that is worthy of empathy.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2023 15:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It appears that the head of the company was able to avoid the Titan having to be “certified “ because his submersible was “experimental.”

Hell, I’d think that because this submersible was an “experimental” one, it would be subject to all sorts of requirements— even more than the normal  ones—before anyone, much less paying passengers—was allowed to do any kind of diving in it. 

But, apparently that was not the case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that the head of the company was able to avoid the Titan having to be “certified “ because his submersible was “experimental.”</p>
<p>Hell, I’d think that because this submersible was an “experimental” one, it would be subject to all sorts of requirements— even more than the normal  ones—before anyone, much less paying passengers—was allowed to do any kind of diving in it. </p>
<p>But, apparently that was not the case.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2023 15:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[a smaller craft see my guardian link had made it to the mariannas trench two years ago,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a smaller craft see my guardian link had made it to the mariannas trench two years ago,</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2023 15:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[because the ceo was the scion of a founding founder, the passengers included a pakistani master of the universe, and a friend in good standing of both the dweeb king and the swiss bond villain,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>because the ceo was the scion of a founding founder, the passengers included a pakistani master of the universe, and a friend in good standing of both the dweeb king and the swiss bond villain,</p>
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