My summary: you are free-riding on the self-interest of others, coordinated by the price system and Big Statism. Which only works so long as the virtues of Western Civilization such as Truth telling operate. Destroy them, as Rome found with the destruction of the money economy, and its “look out below!” Then people will be unpredictable as a high-trust culture is supplanted by something low.

I’m going to have to listen to the final 50 minutes of this scintillating podcast again.

16Jun23 Interview — at
1:01 of Jordan Peterson’s interview with Lindsey: a personal, life-changing confrontation with the glaciology and feminism paper (a half million dollar NSF grant gains a high impact paper and a highly visible TED talk) plea for inclusion of alt fem perspective, thus undermining science. THIS PROVOKED James into three days of emotional shut down (depression?).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnrdyphape4

At 1:05, Peterson prolix on how fundamentals of STEM get us to theological-sphere of thinking, ie, axioms of ontology. Science AND religion as Western civilization’s greatest achievements?

1:01-1:12m first climax? Compassion is a virtue to be weaponized by the malignant.
1:18-1:28m second climax! Jordan mentions that social psychology is finally, just beginning to take Left-wing Authoritarianism seriously.
Among the soc psych findings on this is that malignant narcissism is 60% predictive.
Topically returning to James insights into the New Marxism (SWJ, CRT, Wokism) and the origin of his New Discourses member driven project — with intriguing Old Testament waypoints inserted by Jordan.

1:29-37m So, who is behind the acceleration of Wokery? WEF for one. I’m called out online for being a conspiracy theorist! Objects James. Yet I’m only relating the substance of what they write online or publish.
Jordan: Klaus Schwab’s serpent-like camouflage is managerialism (cf, his last or fourth book).
James on Schwab: he says first that we’re going to use ESG to force corporations into compliance…with fascism, adds Jordan.
Then Schwab says secondly, we will transform the youth to demand ESG!
And a final third, we will rewrite to Social Contract to require obedience to the new WEF norms!
Schwab in interviews states we must replace the culture of production and consumption with caring and sharing.

Peterson summarises: Tyrants want power and control. They gin up apocalyptic fear to control the masses and secure it.
What dose this mean? Jordan answers brilliantly!

It gets theological at the start. 20 minute in, and Cain and Abel are called forth to explain motives.

can people with a religion, or people without a religion, be morally good?

This is how I see this question, this evening:

over the past few years, I’ve had a medical problem [go very badly], + my medical problem’s intense pain has put me in the hospital, where only morphine + surgery have stopped that situation, + taken me out of [pain] that completely incapacitated me.

…The people who helped me at the hospital- these people helped me, [and they did not bother to ask me if I had gods/a religion or not].

[They helped without knowing if I was or was not religious.]

I asked for help, from these people from the hospital, [and I did not bother to ask THEM if they had gods/a religion or not].

[I took their help without knowing if they were, or were not, religious.]

Do people, whether they have a religion or not, do morally good?…Oh my goodness, just in my world, I really do think so.

There are times: sometimes people help me out of a hole, and sometimes I help people out of a hole,…because we feel like helping other people.

Sometimes I accept an ambulance ride.

When I take those ambulance rides, I don’t mind if the ambulances are crewed by: theist people, atheist people, agnostic people, or by any other people.

For what it is worth, I find myself very happy with this situation.

https://accordingtohoyt.com/2023/06/17/intelligence-and-moral-sense/#comment-924118
accordingtohoyt says:June 17, 2023 at 8:56 pm
sigh. No. Rubbery means its overdone. You should first boil them then steak-fry them. But if you over-boil them they become tennis balls.

FWIW, a book I read about witch hunting in Europe claimed that the primary reason the total killings of suspected witches was not worse than the numbers that have been determined, is that the Inquisitors (when properly operating) insisted on proof rather than innuendo and slander, and ended most trials without convictions.

The Spanish Inquisition was a different thing altogether.

Comments there are (as usual) wide-ranging, but in the main of the same opinion.
https://accordingtohoyt.com/2023/06/17/intelligence-and-moral-sense/
(excerpts from some of my favorite thought-provokers; all but the first are longer than these “teasers”)

Ian Bruene says:June 18, 2023 at 12:48 am
“Society” is not a moral actor. Only people.

Dan Lane says:June 17, 2023 at 8:18 pm
“All this is poppycock. Morality and the ability to learn in a civilized society require learning and teaching, and curbing your natural instincts.”

I would add that one cannot intellect oneself into proper morality. Learned that back in my wild athiest days, searching for a way to morality that wasn’t colored with religion at all, in any way.

Frank says:June 17, 2023 at 9:34 pm
Aaargh! So much to say. Even your short posts are so full of things to comment on, that I drive myself crazy trying to hold back.

First, well-put imaginos1892! Yes the term evil genius was invented for good reason. It took me decades to understand why the First Commandment is the most important one. Humility is the beginning of wisdom.

Outmoded Thinker says:June 18, 2023 at 11:07 am
It was only when I had a child to raise that I realized what persistent years-long effort it takes to produce an adult who habitually says “Please” and “Thank you.” If you meet such, know that some parental figure has said, ” What do we say?” or the like thousands of times, day in, day out, for years.

This is true for nearly every good habit that makes it possible for people to live together peacefully, cooperate with one another, and be productive.

Civilization is hard work