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		By: BJ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2023 01:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m amazed nobody has posted this one yet;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS7DDUEyzU8

It got a second life as the theme song for &quot;The Golden Girls&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m amazed nobody has posted this one yet;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS7DDUEyzU8" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS7DDUEyzU8</a></p>
<p>It got a second life as the theme song for &#8220;The Golden Girls&#8221;.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/06/10/songs-of-friendship-and-comfort/#comment-2683855</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2023 01:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo and Brian E:

Searching for &quot;Natural resources of Ukraine&quot; yields among other sites 

https://ukrainetrek.com/about-ukraine-nature/ukraine-natural-resources
&quot;Main Natural Resources of Ukraine&quot; with categories such as:

Coal 
Oil and natural gas
Oil shale 
Peat 
Iron ore
Manganese
Copper 
Titanium
Uranium
Mercury 
Gold 
Graphite
Potash salts 
Building materials 
Building stone
Hydromineral resources (geothermal and mineralized groundwater)

A resource&#039;s value depends on cost of extraction, demand, i.e., economics.  

A mining engineer who specializes in coal or evaporites (salts) may not know much of value about iron ore, manganese, copper, uranium, titanium, or about civil engineering and hydropower dams, their operation, maintenance, or vulnerabilities to malign forces of man and nature.  

So being respected for his work on Climate Audit is nice but ....  caveat emptor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo and Brian E:</p>
<p>Searching for &#8220;Natural resources of Ukraine&#8221; yields among other sites </p>
<p><a href="https://ukrainetrek.com/about-ukraine-nature/ukraine-natural-resources" rel="nofollow ugc">https://ukrainetrek.com/about-ukraine-nature/ukraine-natural-resources</a><br />
&#8220;Main Natural Resources of Ukraine&#8221; with categories such as:</p>
<p>Coal<br />
Oil and natural gas<br />
Oil shale<br />
Peat<br />
Iron ore<br />
Manganese<br />
Copper<br />
Titanium<br />
Uranium<br />
Mercury<br />
Gold<br />
Graphite<br />
Potash salts<br />
Building materials<br />
Building stone<br />
Hydromineral resources (geothermal and mineralized groundwater)</p>
<p>A resource&#8217;s value depends on cost of extraction, demand, i.e., economics.  </p>
<p>A mining engineer who specializes in coal or evaporites (salts) may not know much of value about iron ore, manganese, copper, uranium, titanium, or about civil engineering and hydropower dams, their operation, maintenance, or vulnerabilities to malign forces of man and nature.  </p>
<p>So being respected for his work on Climate Audit is nice but &#8230;.  caveat emptor.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2023 00:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They have looked each other between the eyes, and there they found no fault,
They have taken the Oath of the Brother-in-Blood on leavened bread and salt:
They have taken the Oath of the Brother-in-Blood on fire and fresh-cut sod,
On the hilt and the haft of the Khyber knife, and the Wondrous Names of God.

Figured I&#039;d change the mood a bit: Kipling.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They have looked each other between the eyes, and there they found no fault,<br />
They have taken the Oath of the Brother-in-Blood on leavened bread and salt:<br />
They have taken the Oath of the Brother-in-Blood on fire and fresh-cut sod,<br />
On the hilt and the haft of the Khyber knife, and the Wondrous Names of God.</p>
<p>Figured I&#8217;d change the mood a bit: Kipling.</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/06/10/songs-of-friendship-and-comfort/#comment-2683794</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gringo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2023 18:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEBDZbkfKmk&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Bob Wills: Bring It on Down to My House&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEBDZbkfKmk" rel="nofollow ugc">Bob Wills: Bring It on Down to My House</a></p>
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		By: Cicero		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/06/10/songs-of-friendship-and-comfort/#comment-2683793</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cicero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2023 18:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PA+Cat is historically quite correct. That is why marriages until recently were not based on &quot;love&quot;;  marriages were arranged by the parents of the future brides for friendships, economic power and other practical reasons, and the &quot;happy couple&quot; learned how to tolerate one another because there was no other choice. We see how poorly love-based marriages have held up under no-fault divorce statutes! Odd, is it not, that durable marriages are made of two people who do tolerate one another!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PA+Cat is historically quite correct. That is why marriages until recently were not based on &#8220;love&#8221;;  marriages were arranged by the parents of the future brides for friendships, economic power and other practical reasons, and the &#8220;happy couple&#8221; learned how to tolerate one another because there was no other choice. We see how poorly love-based marriages have held up under no-fault divorce statutes! Odd, is it not, that durable marriages are made of two people who do tolerate one another!</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2023 17:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brian E:

That is sheer speculation.  Not only do we not know whether he has such contacts, but we don&#039;t know whom they might be or what their biases or motives might be.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian E:</p>
<p>That is sheer speculation.  Not only do we not know whether he has such contacts, but we don&#8217;t know whom they might be or what their biases or motives might be.</p>
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		By: Brian E		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2023 16:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, regarding Steve McIntyre. 

Yes, you need to be skeptical of any information coming out of Ukraine.

I can think of a reason McIntyre might have good insights about Ukraine though. Being in the mining industry he might have solid contacts in Ukraine, since mining is one of the larger industries in eastern Ukraine (though mostly coal).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, regarding Steve McIntyre. </p>
<p>Yes, you need to be skeptical of any information coming out of Ukraine.</p>
<p>I can think of a reason McIntyre might have good insights about Ukraine though. Being in the mining industry he might have solid contacts in Ukraine, since mining is one of the larger industries in eastern Ukraine (though mostly coal).</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/06/10/songs-of-friendship-and-comfort/#comment-2683759</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2023 14:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;...devoted to friendship....&quot;
David and Jonathan, perhaps?  (No, not a book, alas....)
&lt;b&gt;1 Samuel:&lt;/b&gt;
18:1-4
19:1-7
20:1-42
21:6-8
&lt;b&gt;2 Samuel:&lt;/b&gt;
1:11-27
9:1-13
21:7-22]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;devoted to friendship&#8230;.&#8221;<br />
David and Jonathan, perhaps?  (No, not a book, alas&#8230;.)<br />
<b>1 Samuel:</b><br />
18:1-4<br />
19:1-7<br />
20:1-42<br />
21:6-8<br />
<b>2 Samuel:</b><br />
1:11-27<br />
9:1-13<br />
21:7-22</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2023 13:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PA+Cat:

Oh, I consider friendship underrated and I&#039;m not that keen on romance. Just because I notice something doesn&#039;t mean I agree with it.

You are correct that romantic love, as currently understood, is comparatively new.  It&#039;s good to be reminded of friendship&#039;s place in older times.

Nonetheless, I can&#039;t think of a single book in the Bible devoted to friendship, but there is &quot;The Song of Songs.&quot;

Then there&#039;s Gene Hackman in &quot;Heist&quot;:
______________________________

&lt;i&gt;Delroy Lindo: Some say love [makes the world go round].

Gene Hackman: They&#039;re right too. Love makes the world go &#039;round... Love of Gold.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PA+Cat:</p>
<p>Oh, I consider friendship underrated and I&#8217;m not that keen on romance. Just because I notice something doesn&#8217;t mean I agree with it.</p>
<p>You are correct that romantic love, as currently understood, is comparatively new.  It&#8217;s good to be reminded of friendship&#8217;s place in older times.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, I can&#8217;t think of a single book in the Bible devoted to friendship, but there is &#8220;The Song of Songs.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s Gene Hackman in &#8220;Heist&#8221;:<br />
______________________________</p>
<p><i>Delroy Lindo: Some say love [makes the world go round].</p>
<p>Gene Hackman: They&#8217;re right too. Love makes the world go &#8217;round&#8230; Love of Gold.</i></p>
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		By: PA+Cat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PA+Cat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2023 06:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley--

Romantic love is a fairly recent preoccupation in Western culture; for most of the West&#039;s history since ancient Greece and Rome, friendship was considered a more important human bond. Aristotle devoted an entire book (Book VIII) in his &lt;i&gt;Nicomachean Ethics&lt;/i&gt; to friendship, and Cicero wrote a treatise on friendship (&lt;i&gt;De amicitia&lt;/i&gt;) dedicated to his friend Laelius in 44 BC. The Greeks considered sexual passion a form of madness because it involved loss of self-control, as the tragedies of Sophocles and Euripides indicate. It wasn&#039;t until the late Middle Ages that romantic love became legitimated as the basis of marriage; read Denis de Rougemont&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Love in the Western World&lt;/i&gt; if you can find a copy. De Rougemont was a French-speaking Swiss cultural theorist. There were plenty of songs and poems celebrating friendship in European literature up through the seventeenth century; the paucity of recent poems about friendship says more about the impoverishment of contemporary culture than about the worth of friendship in human life.

Romantic love may make the world go round for you, but there are those of us who prefer friendship.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley&#8211;</p>
<p>Romantic love is a fairly recent preoccupation in Western culture; for most of the West&#8217;s history since ancient Greece and Rome, friendship was considered a more important human bond. Aristotle devoted an entire book (Book VIII) in his <i>Nicomachean Ethics</i> to friendship, and Cicero wrote a treatise on friendship (<i>De amicitia</i>) dedicated to his friend Laelius in 44 BC. The Greeks considered sexual passion a form of madness because it involved loss of self-control, as the tragedies of Sophocles and Euripides indicate. It wasn&#8217;t until the late Middle Ages that romantic love became legitimated as the basis of marriage; read Denis de Rougemont&#8217;s <i>Love in the Western World</i> if you can find a copy. De Rougemont was a French-speaking Swiss cultural theorist. There were plenty of songs and poems celebrating friendship in European literature up through the seventeenth century; the paucity of recent poems about friendship says more about the impoverishment of contemporary culture than about the worth of friendship in human life.</p>
<p>Romantic love may make the world go round for you, but there are those of us who prefer friendship.</p>
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