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		By: Banned Lizard		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Allegations that Joe Biden partook in a $5 million bribery scheme involve Ukraine where his son scored a lucrative energy job and were first presented to the FBI by a reliable and well-paid informant back in 2017, House Oversight and Accountability Chairman James Comer told Just the News on Tuesday evening.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/joe-biden-bribery-allegations-involve-ukraine-first&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Joe Biden bribery allegations involve Ukraine, first raised with FBI in 2017, key investigator says&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

The details are new, but the stench of corruption from both sides of this partnership were known many years, and well before the fraudulent renewal of the Biden crime family&#039;s corruption license in 2020.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Allegations that Joe Biden partook in a $5 million bribery scheme involve Ukraine where his son scored a lucrative energy job and were first presented to the FBI by a reliable and well-paid informant back in 2017, House Oversight and Accountability Chairman James Comer told Just the News on Tuesday evening.</i></p>
<p><a href="https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/joe-biden-bribery-allegations-involve-ukraine-first" rel="nofollow ugc"><b>Joe Biden bribery allegations involve Ukraine, first raised with FBI in 2017, key investigator says</b></a></p>
<p>The details are new, but the stench of corruption from both sides of this partnership were known many years, and well before the fraudulent renewal of the Biden crime family&#8217;s corruption license in 2020.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2023 07:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Indeed, the Manhattan Contrarian is superb...

Very good to see you&#039;re back! (And back with a vengeance! Making up for lost time, no doubt...)
- - - - - - - - - - - - 
WRT &quot;Aliens&quot;...just another MASSIVE (other-worldly?) DISTRACTION required by &quot;Biden&quot; and &quot;his&quot; own alien force...to cover up &quot;his&quot; coverups of &quot;his&quot; coverups of &quot;his&quot; coverups of &quot;his&quot; atrocities and &quot;his&quot; atrociousness...and &quot;his&quot;, grotesque, if ingenious, far-reaching, multi-level criminality.

(IOW, why now?)

File under: Keep yer eye OFF da boidie...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, the Manhattan Contrarian is superb&#8230;</p>
<p>Very good to see you&#8217;re back! (And back with a vengeance! Making up for lost time, no doubt&#8230;)<br />
&#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211;<br />
WRT &#8220;Aliens&#8221;&#8230;just another MASSIVE (other-worldly?) DISTRACTION required by &#8220;Biden&#8221; and &#8220;his&#8221; own alien force&#8230;to cover up &#8220;his&#8221; coverups of &#8220;his&#8221; coverups of &#8220;his&#8221; coverups of &#8220;his&#8221; atrocities and &#8220;his&#8221; atrociousness&#8230;and &#8220;his&#8221;, grotesque, if ingenious, far-reaching, multi-level criminality.</p>
<p>(IOW, why now?)</p>
<p>File under: Keep yer eye OFF da boidie&#8230;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/06/06/open-thread-6-6-23/#comment-2682955</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2023 05:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AND the comments at Francis Menton&#039;s post are quite good, as usual. &quot;Manhattan Contrarian&quot; may be the only worthy &quot;rival&quot; of Neo&#039;s salon.

I found this one particularly insightful, with the caveat that the beginning of the original Democrat party was not exactly as stated in the comment, it having been the party supporting slavery in the 19th century, but its ideology as described here has been foundational since at least the time of Wilson.

&lt;blockquote&gt;David Hoopman 
  
First, let’s stipulate that this is in no way intended to argue that one party is the party of “truth-tellers” or of general integrity, or of fidelity to principle. It is not intended to suggest that the Republicans are uniformly admirable and virtuous or that the Democrats are uniformly monstrous.&lt;b&gt; It is intended solely to make an argument that the ideas undergirding the beginnings of each of the major parties were different right from the start, and that today’s reality was therefore inevitable right from the start.&lt;/b&gt;

The core of Republican thinking is that individual responsibility and free enterprise are the central requirements of ordered liberty under the law. Whatever else Republicans may be guilty of, that fundamental belief has been proven true whenever, and to whatever extent, it’s been applied.

&lt;b&gt;The core of Democrat thinking is that people should look to government as the deliverer of all things good, and therefore that allegiance to the party must be the preferred tool for obtaining one’s material needs and advancing one’s aspirations. &lt;/b&gt;Whatever discrete successes have been delivered by this thinking have been counterbalanced by its countless shortcomings, to say nothing of its most fundamental flaw, the inherent need for pandering to the worst aspects of human nature.

In short, one party’s belief system rests on proven truth, and never mind how faithful that party’s advocates may be in applying it—that’s not what this discussion is about. Meanwhile, the other party’s belief system rests on proven lies.

&lt;b&gt;If everything you stand for rests on a lie and you somehow haven’t grown tired of it, you are overwhelmingly likely to keep on lying—which means you will be forced to tell bigger and more obvious lies as you flail about, trying to make the earlier lies seem plausible.&lt;/b&gt; Moreover, you have no choice but to endorse other people&#039;s lies, knowing that to refute them might risk toppling your own house of cards. Reaching this sad state of affairs takes a long time, but we’ve been watching it for a long time, and now, the Democratic Party’s slide into depravity has become so obvious it’s painfully evident even to people who have never bothered before to pay attention to any of this.

If you agree, you might think the ultimate outcome is just as inevitable as the slide into depravity always was. You might be badly mistaken.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
If he means that the conservative factions will eventually triumph, I certainly hope he is correct.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AND the comments at Francis Menton&#8217;s post are quite good, as usual. &#8220;Manhattan Contrarian&#8221; may be the only worthy &#8220;rival&#8221; of Neo&#8217;s salon.</p>
<p>I found this one particularly insightful, with the caveat that the beginning of the original Democrat party was not exactly as stated in the comment, it having been the party supporting slavery in the 19th century, but its ideology as described here has been foundational since at least the time of Wilson.</p>
<blockquote><p>David Hoopman </p>
<p>First, let’s stipulate that this is in no way intended to argue that one party is the party of “truth-tellers” or of general integrity, or of fidelity to principle. It is not intended to suggest that the Republicans are uniformly admirable and virtuous or that the Democrats are uniformly monstrous.<b> It is intended solely to make an argument that the ideas undergirding the beginnings of each of the major parties were different right from the start, and that today’s reality was therefore inevitable right from the start.</b></p>
<p>The core of Republican thinking is that individual responsibility and free enterprise are the central requirements of ordered liberty under the law. Whatever else Republicans may be guilty of, that fundamental belief has been proven true whenever, and to whatever extent, it’s been applied.</p>
<p><b>The core of Democrat thinking is that people should look to government as the deliverer of all things good, and therefore that allegiance to the party must be the preferred tool for obtaining one’s material needs and advancing one’s aspirations. </b>Whatever discrete successes have been delivered by this thinking have been counterbalanced by its countless shortcomings, to say nothing of its most fundamental flaw, the inherent need for pandering to the worst aspects of human nature.</p>
<p>In short, one party’s belief system rests on proven truth, and never mind how faithful that party’s advocates may be in applying it—that’s not what this discussion is about. Meanwhile, the other party’s belief system rests on proven lies.</p>
<p><b>If everything you stand for rests on a lie and you somehow haven’t grown tired of it, you are overwhelmingly likely to keep on lying—which means you will be forced to tell bigger and more obvious lies as you flail about, trying to make the earlier lies seem plausible.</b> Moreover, you have no choice but to endorse other people&#8217;s lies, knowing that to refute them might risk toppling your own house of cards. Reaching this sad state of affairs takes a long time, but we’ve been watching it for a long time, and now, the Democratic Party’s slide into depravity has become so obvious it’s painfully evident even to people who have never bothered before to pay attention to any of this.</p>
<p>If you agree, you might think the ultimate outcome is just as inevitable as the slide into depravity always was. You might be badly mistaken.
</p></blockquote>
<p>If he means that the conservative factions will eventually triumph, I certainly hope he is correct.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2023 05:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ cb &#062; &quot;Remember Tucker ? He’s back : )&quot;

Carlson devotes most of his (Tweet? podcast? post?) to the recently bombed bridge in Ukraine, but gives a shout-out to Snow&#039;s UFO whistleblower, as an example of the media resolutely ignoring anything news-worthy outside of their determined narrative.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ cb &gt; &#8220;Remember Tucker ? He’s back : )&#8221;</p>
<p>Carlson devotes most of his (Tweet? podcast? post?) to the recently bombed bridge in Ukraine, but gives a shout-out to Snow&#8217;s UFO whistleblower, as an example of the media resolutely ignoring anything news-worthy outside of their determined narrative.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2023 04:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ stan &#062; &quot;Democrats are a cult.&quot;

This old post from el gato malo is supportive of the Manhattan Contrarian&#039;s thesis. (Yes, the lack of capitals is deliberate.)

Examples included.

It&#039;s a plausible proposition.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/gatos-postulate

&lt;blockquote&gt;i’ve been musing of late about just how it came to pass that the entirety of western governance seems to have become bereft of reality and competence and generally run by people who appear to be about as smart as a soup sandwich and yet have managed to accrue not only such intense confidence in their own planning ability and vision but in addition gained access to the levers of power to impose their addled ideas upon the rest of us while aided and abetted by a cheer-leader class that eggs them ever onward.

it’s really quite a thing.
...
i’ll start with a proposition with which many of you are familiar.

gato’s law:

“as soon as you allow politicians to determine that which is bought or sold, the first thing bought and sold will always be politicians.”

as i have never really heard this refuted in meaningful fashion, let’s presume it to be true.

what can we derive from this?

proposition 1: if politicians are bought and sold, the sort of people attracted to politics will be grifters.

this seems a natural outcome. politics becomes a goody room and the kinds of people that excel at conning others and compromising morals will chase the gold rush.

proposition 2: grifters gonna grift

sure, this is basically tautological, but it contains a meaningful implication that ought be drawn out: grifters are con and confidence people. they need a song and dance, a schtick, a story, something to not only pack the rubes into the tent but to separate them from their wallets. they need a reason to take big actions, take your stuff, and to give it to someone else (or at least to make you do it for them). they need a malady for which to sell you their magical elixir.

proposition 3: grifting turns politics into “story time”

the story does not have to be true. in many ways it’s better if it’s not as you get a lot more optionality. but the story needs a villain and the story needs a plan. but most of all, the story needs a sucker and that sucker is the demos. the confidence conclave needs to convince the audience to go along with the grift, and they either manage to do so or, if they cannot, are rapidly replaced by more compelling carnival barkers who can. those who buy politicians pay for performance.

proposition 4: story time makes the people into rubes.

as they fall for these stories, the people become rubes. they genuinely believe the grift and clamor to pay for the shiny products on display even and especially when this is just lining the pockets of con men that they have mistaken for leaders. they become true believers. and here is where it takes a bit of a turn:

proposition 5: true believers are more believable than grifters.

people are, at subconscious levels, good at spotting lies. this makes grifts hard to keep going for long periods. it’s also why the hegemonic huckster class is wont to surround itself with zealots and activists. these people add a patina of credibility to the whole affair because their sincerity shines through. and this is how it gets out of control.

proposition 6: the demos starts to prefer true believers to grifters and elect them to office

once the “story” is sufficiently set in the public consciousness, the public starts to seek out its most devout and vivid tellers and these are nearly always of the “true believer” class. they simply have more energy, honesty, and intensity than the carnival barkers ever could. they are singing the gospel and meaning it and they come to power as a sort of trickle then a torrent that changes the crooked circus midway into something more like an old timey revival tent. and so the intensification cycle begins.

proposition 7: the more fervent new leaders tell more intense stories.

the true believer tells a more strident and demanding story. they are no longer grifting, they are evangelizing. this brings new levels of vehemence, less tolerance for any other ideas, and proselytizing zeal.

proposition 8: more intense stories make the public more committed to the story.

and this in turn further arouses the public to greater belief and commitment which in turn increases demand for stridency in leaders and round and round it goes until some sort of intensity maximization is reached, usually when the wheels start coming off. and this is a huge problem because, as we flash back to old axioms, one must realize:

proposition 9: the true believers do not know that the grift is a grift.

what began as crony corporatism and scam has become a secular religion/activism cult. its false and facile tenets designed to separate fools from their money and enrich special interests have become sincerely held ideological dogma and those who will preach it to you have been strained and selected until only the most gullible and zealous remain.

&lt;b&gt;and so we arrive at gato’s postulate:

a democratic government powerful enough to dictate that which is bought and sold will inevitably devolve into rule by rube.&lt;/b&gt;

and this is how you wind up with government where the people running the scam not only have no conception that they are running a scam but have subsumed their entire identities into it.

and they have no idea how anything works.

they were flat out selected for not knowing how anything works.

if they did understand any of it, they’d see the scams and wise up instead of becoming some kind of final form pokemon chump rapturously selling themselves down the river.

but they don’t. and they won’t.

&lt;b&gt;it’s rube upon rube upon rube.

and they lack the ability to even assess much less resolve the escalating cascades of problems they set off.&lt;/b&gt;
...
the grifters, at least, knew how things worked. they knew it was a scam. this both keeps them somewhat in check as they assuage their avarice and also keeps them away from pulling the really dangerous levers because this is a group that actually knows that those levers are really dangerous to pull.

but those made a rube by the grift and then elevated from the audience by the other rubes because of how strongly they conveyed devotion to a set of plunder they mistook for progress have no such check and no such knowledge.

and so they become the agents of dissolution not because they wanted to but because they really truly expect unicorns and rainbows to pop out when they push a button that anyone who knew how anything worked would immediately recognize as something altogether different.
...
many have pointed out that a government powerful enough to give you anything you want is also powerful enough to take everything you have, but if such a state will also inevitably be overtaken and run by the most zealous of the bumpkins and yokels, then there is no long term beneficent case or smarter people and benign technocratic stewardship that will save you.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ stan &gt; &#8220;Democrats are a cult.&#8221;</p>
<p>This old post from el gato malo is supportive of the Manhattan Contrarian&#8217;s thesis. (Yes, the lack of capitals is deliberate.)</p>
<p>Examples included.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a plausible proposition.</p>
<p><a href="https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/gatos-postulate" rel="nofollow ugc">https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/gatos-postulate</a></p>
<blockquote><p>i’ve been musing of late about just how it came to pass that the entirety of western governance seems to have become bereft of reality and competence and generally run by people who appear to be about as smart as a soup sandwich and yet have managed to accrue not only such intense confidence in their own planning ability and vision but in addition gained access to the levers of power to impose their addled ideas upon the rest of us while aided and abetted by a cheer-leader class that eggs them ever onward.</p>
<p>it’s really quite a thing.<br />
&#8230;<br />
i’ll start with a proposition with which many of you are familiar.</p>
<p>gato’s law:</p>
<p>“as soon as you allow politicians to determine that which is bought or sold, the first thing bought and sold will always be politicians.”</p>
<p>as i have never really heard this refuted in meaningful fashion, let’s presume it to be true.</p>
<p>what can we derive from this?</p>
<p>proposition 1: if politicians are bought and sold, the sort of people attracted to politics will be grifters.</p>
<p>this seems a natural outcome. politics becomes a goody room and the kinds of people that excel at conning others and compromising morals will chase the gold rush.</p>
<p>proposition 2: grifters gonna grift</p>
<p>sure, this is basically tautological, but it contains a meaningful implication that ought be drawn out: grifters are con and confidence people. they need a song and dance, a schtick, a story, something to not only pack the rubes into the tent but to separate them from their wallets. they need a reason to take big actions, take your stuff, and to give it to someone else (or at least to make you do it for them). they need a malady for which to sell you their magical elixir.</p>
<p>proposition 3: grifting turns politics into “story time”</p>
<p>the story does not have to be true. in many ways it’s better if it’s not as you get a lot more optionality. but the story needs a villain and the story needs a plan. but most of all, the story needs a sucker and that sucker is the demos. the confidence conclave needs to convince the audience to go along with the grift, and they either manage to do so or, if they cannot, are rapidly replaced by more compelling carnival barkers who can. those who buy politicians pay for performance.</p>
<p>proposition 4: story time makes the people into rubes.</p>
<p>as they fall for these stories, the people become rubes. they genuinely believe the grift and clamor to pay for the shiny products on display even and especially when this is just lining the pockets of con men that they have mistaken for leaders. they become true believers. and here is where it takes a bit of a turn:</p>
<p>proposition 5: true believers are more believable than grifters.</p>
<p>people are, at subconscious levels, good at spotting lies. this makes grifts hard to keep going for long periods. it’s also why the hegemonic huckster class is wont to surround itself with zealots and activists. these people add a patina of credibility to the whole affair because their sincerity shines through. and this is how it gets out of control.</p>
<p>proposition 6: the demos starts to prefer true believers to grifters and elect them to office</p>
<p>once the “story” is sufficiently set in the public consciousness, the public starts to seek out its most devout and vivid tellers and these are nearly always of the “true believer” class. they simply have more energy, honesty, and intensity than the carnival barkers ever could. they are singing the gospel and meaning it and they come to power as a sort of trickle then a torrent that changes the crooked circus midway into something more like an old timey revival tent. and so the intensification cycle begins.</p>
<p>proposition 7: the more fervent new leaders tell more intense stories.</p>
<p>the true believer tells a more strident and demanding story. they are no longer grifting, they are evangelizing. this brings new levels of vehemence, less tolerance for any other ideas, and proselytizing zeal.</p>
<p>proposition 8: more intense stories make the public more committed to the story.</p>
<p>and this in turn further arouses the public to greater belief and commitment which in turn increases demand for stridency in leaders and round and round it goes until some sort of intensity maximization is reached, usually when the wheels start coming off. and this is a huge problem because, as we flash back to old axioms, one must realize:</p>
<p>proposition 9: the true believers do not know that the grift is a grift.</p>
<p>what began as crony corporatism and scam has become a secular religion/activism cult. its false and facile tenets designed to separate fools from their money and enrich special interests have become sincerely held ideological dogma and those who will preach it to you have been strained and selected until only the most gullible and zealous remain.</p>
<p><b>and so we arrive at gato’s postulate:</p>
<p>a democratic government powerful enough to dictate that which is bought and sold will inevitably devolve into rule by rube.</b></p>
<p>and this is how you wind up with government where the people running the scam not only have no conception that they are running a scam but have subsumed their entire identities into it.</p>
<p>and they have no idea how anything works.</p>
<p>they were flat out selected for not knowing how anything works.</p>
<p>if they did understand any of it, they’d see the scams and wise up instead of becoming some kind of final form pokemon chump rapturously selling themselves down the river.</p>
<p>but they don’t. and they won’t.</p>
<p><b>it’s rube upon rube upon rube.</p>
<p>and they lack the ability to even assess much less resolve the escalating cascades of problems they set off.</b><br />
&#8230;<br />
the grifters, at least, knew how things worked. they knew it was a scam. this both keeps them somewhat in check as they assuage their avarice and also keeps them away from pulling the really dangerous levers because this is a group that actually knows that those levers are really dangerous to pull.</p>
<p>but those made a rube by the grift and then elevated from the audience by the other rubes because of how strongly they conveyed devotion to a set of plunder they mistook for progress have no such check and no such knowledge.</p>
<p>and so they become the agents of dissolution not because they wanted to but because they really truly expect unicorns and rainbows to pop out when they push a button that anyone who knew how anything worked would immediately recognize as something altogether different.<br />
&#8230;<br />
many have pointed out that a government powerful enough to give you anything you want is also powerful enough to take everything you have, but if such a state will also inevitably be overtaken and run by the most zealous of the bumpkins and yokels, then there is no long term beneficent case or smarter people and benign technocratic stewardship that will save you.
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		By: OBloodyHell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2023 04:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[NEO -- Knowing your love of the Bee Gees, I figured this Professor of Rock piece had to be called to your attention:

&lt;b&gt;About to FAIL Out of Music, Legend Stumbled On FALSETTO that SAVED Career &#038; Hit #1&lt;/b&gt;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfBEgUz6Tts

You may or may not agree with what he says, but he does have a deep love of music and music history that is generally interesting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NEO &#8212; Knowing your love of the Bee Gees, I figured this Professor of Rock piece had to be called to your attention:</p>
<p><b>About to FAIL Out of Music, Legend Stumbled On FALSETTO that SAVED Career &amp; Hit #1</b><br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfBEgUz6Tts" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfBEgUz6Tts</a></p>
<p>You may or may not agree with what he says, but he does have a deep love of music and music history that is generally interesting.</p>
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		By: R2L		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[First the wooden post rots, down the middle and/or at its base.
Then the nails holding the boards rust through, and the boards fall off.
Then the tree on the left dies and eventually falls over, and decays back into the soil.
Then the rocks in the stream bed continue to erode.
Then the wind blown dust and sand and rain erode the rock. Perhaps at some point a storm is strong enough to actually push it over.

And THEN we rediscover the principle that &quot;all men are created equal&quot;, an idea that was long extinct from  most or all human habitations.  However, that principle is not recognized as self evident unless the residual of a Judeo-Christian Westernized culture somehow continues to exist.  That could erode as well. 

Or it is equally possible that the aliens in the UFO&#039;s eventually take control of humanity, find our DOI, bible, and related documents, and discover for themselves the core principles that had led to the civilization that had signaled our presence to them in the first place.  Then they establish the cult of neo-SETI, transmit their findings to the rest of the galaxy, and a Star Trek Federation is born.  Now that would be an intriguing, thrilling, and challenging Enterprise!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First the wooden post rots, down the middle and/or at its base.<br />
Then the nails holding the boards rust through, and the boards fall off.<br />
Then the tree on the left dies and eventually falls over, and decays back into the soil.<br />
Then the rocks in the stream bed continue to erode.<br />
Then the wind blown dust and sand and rain erode the rock. Perhaps at some point a storm is strong enough to actually push it over.</p>
<p>And THEN we rediscover the principle that &#8220;all men are created equal&#8221;, an idea that was long extinct from  most or all human habitations.  However, that principle is not recognized as self evident unless the residual of a Judeo-Christian Westernized culture somehow continues to exist.  That could erode as well. </p>
<p>Or it is equally possible that the aliens in the UFO&#8217;s eventually take control of humanity, find our DOI, bible, and related documents, and discover for themselves the core principles that had led to the civilization that had signaled our presence to them in the first place.  Then they establish the cult of neo-SETI, transmit their findings to the rest of the galaxy, and a Star Trek Federation is born.  Now that would be an intriguing, thrilling, and challenging Enterprise!</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2023 02:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not of this Earth or this Universe,  its just special Alien stuff, aka, Fairy dust, Unicorn skittles.

Sounds really &quot;sciency&quot; those isotopic radios (or ratios).

Transistors, integrated circuits, quantum mechanics, nuclear weapons,  all Alien technology to those of the 17th century.  Must have come from Aliens.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not of this Earth or this Universe,  its just special Alien stuff, aka, Fairy dust, Unicorn skittles.</p>
<p>Sounds really &#8220;sciency&#8221; those isotopic radios (or ratios).</p>
<p>Transistors, integrated circuits, quantum mechanics, nuclear weapons,  all Alien technology to those of the 17th century.  Must have come from Aliens.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/06/06/open-thread-6-6-23/#comment-2682935</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2023 02:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How do you determine if an object is of extraterrestrial origin?

I’d imagine, first, from its function— if it does something which we humans cannot do with our current level of technology, something seemingly “magical”— see Arthur C Clark.

Next, from it’s composition—

As I understand it, every element native to our solar system, including those which comprise the Earth, having condensed from the same conglomeration of stellar material, has the same isotopic ratios. 

Find something whose isotopic ratios are different in major ways from those standard in our solar system, and you’ve found something “Alien ,” very likely “not of this Earth.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you determine if an object is of extraterrestrial origin?</p>
<p>I’d imagine, first, from its function— if it does something which we humans cannot do with our current level of technology, something seemingly “magical”— see Arthur C Clark.</p>
<p>Next, from it’s composition—</p>
<p>As I understand it, every element native to our solar system, including those which comprise the Earth, having condensed from the same conglomeration of stellar material, has the same isotopic ratios. </p>
<p>Find something whose isotopic ratios are different in major ways from those standard in our solar system, and you’ve found something “Alien ,” very likely “not of this Earth.”</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2023 01:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RE:  UFOs—The head of the DOD’s AARO program testified to Congress that AARO had yet to find any credible evidence of extraterrestrial vehicles, and in response to Grusch’s allegations, he reiterated that in a statement today.

Whistleblower Grusch says that AARO was not “read into,” was deliberately not given any information about the existence and substance of the secret UFO crash retrieval programs whose existence Grusch is revealing.

In its recent 4 hour public  panel discussion about how it is going about defining what NASA will need to study the UFO issue, it was pretty clear that those scientists assembled did not believe in UFOs as extraterrestrial vehicles.

I believe that, in the near future, we will find out who is right and who is telling the truth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  UFOs—The head of the DOD’s AARO program testified to Congress that AARO had yet to find any credible evidence of extraterrestrial vehicles, and in response to Grusch’s allegations, he reiterated that in a statement today.</p>
<p>Whistleblower Grusch says that AARO was not “read into,” was deliberately not given any information about the existence and substance of the secret UFO crash retrieval programs whose existence Grusch is revealing.</p>
<p>In its recent 4 hour public  panel discussion about how it is going about defining what NASA will need to study the UFO issue, it was pretty clear that those scientists assembled did not believe in UFOs as extraterrestrial vehicles.</p>
<p>I believe that, in the near future, we will find out who is right and who is telling the truth.</p>
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