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		By: TimK		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/22/defund-the-fbi-but-how/#comment-2680846</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TimK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2023 20:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Snow on Pine:  I worked as an attorney for the Merit Systems Protection Board for 28 years before I retired.  I know more than a little about federal employment law.  In fact, I am the sole MSPB employee to ever win a whistleblower retaliation claim against the MSPB.  Yes, I expect those fired to pack up their stuff and leave.  If there&#039;s a problem with that, a call to the Federal Protective Service should do the trick.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snow on Pine:  I worked as an attorney for the Merit Systems Protection Board for 28 years before I retired.  I know more than a little about federal employment law.  In fact, I am the sole MSPB employee to ever win a whistleblower retaliation claim against the MSPB.  Yes, I expect those fired to pack up their stuff and leave.  If there&#8217;s a problem with that, a call to the Federal Protective Service should do the trick.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/22/defund-the-fbi-but-how/#comment-2680842</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2023 19:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TimK—You assume that anyone who is fired, is told to “go,” will meekly turn in his keys, gear, and passwords, just pack up the shit from his or her desk, cubicle, or office in a box, and trudge out the front door, never to return again.

But what if he or she didn’t, what if a lot of those fired, being militant leftists, “resisted.”

Who would you have come to physically eject them?

What if, say, those fired left but still retained access to some systems, or had likeminded friends who remained on the inside, comrades who would be willing to help them continue their destructive work within and without the organization?

How would you deal with that situation?  

Such a purge would probably not be very easily accomplished.

Having worked in the government—military and civilian—for some 25 years in one capacity or the other—I’ve seen it take years of hard work for a supervisor—one who spent increasingly large chunks of each day, every day, for a couple of years—to take the steps necessary to build a case for firing just one particularly bad problem employee, essentially at the cost of her sanity and her career.

I’ve also seen people who have been very deserving of being fired get a lawyer and fight their termination, only to return to their positions in triumph a few years later, having won all the salary they would have earned had they retained their position, plus promotions to the next higher grade as part of the settlement.

Thereafter, they could flout whatever rules and regulations they wanted to; no one wanted to tangle with them again, and potentially ruin their life and career in the process .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TimK—You assume that anyone who is fired, is told to “go,” will meekly turn in his keys, gear, and passwords, just pack up the shit from his or her desk, cubicle, or office in a box, and trudge out the front door, never to return again.</p>
<p>But what if he or she didn’t, what if a lot of those fired, being militant leftists, “resisted.”</p>
<p>Who would you have come to physically eject them?</p>
<p>What if, say, those fired left but still retained access to some systems, or had likeminded friends who remained on the inside, comrades who would be willing to help them continue their destructive work within and without the organization?</p>
<p>How would you deal with that situation?  </p>
<p>Such a purge would probably not be very easily accomplished.</p>
<p>Having worked in the government—military and civilian—for some 25 years in one capacity or the other—I’ve seen it take years of hard work for a supervisor—one who spent increasingly large chunks of each day, every day, for a couple of years—to take the steps necessary to build a case for firing just one particularly bad problem employee, essentially at the cost of her sanity and her career.</p>
<p>I’ve also seen people who have been very deserving of being fired get a lawyer and fight their termination, only to return to their positions in triumph a few years later, having won all the salary they would have earned had they retained their position, plus promotions to the next higher grade as part of the settlement.</p>
<p>Thereafter, they could flout whatever rules and regulations they wanted to; no one wanted to tangle with them again, and potentially ruin their life and career in the process .</p>
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		By: TimK		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/22/defund-the-fbi-but-how/#comment-2680838</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TimK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2023 19:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here is the DOJ Office of Inspector General review from which I got information about FBI rights (or lack thereof) to appeal disciplinary actions:

https://oig.justice.gov/reports/FBI/e0902/final.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the DOJ Office of Inspector General review from which I got information about FBI rights (or lack thereof) to appeal disciplinary actions:</p>
<p><a href="https://oig.justice.gov/reports/FBI/e0902/final.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://oig.justice.gov/reports/FBI/e0902/final.pdf</a></p>
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		By: Don		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/22/defund-the-fbi-but-how/#comment-2680837</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2023 19:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure that FBI would stop being funded even if Congress cut funding. I suspect Biden would still funnel over money. He needs the support and protection of the secret police orgs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that FBI would stop being funded even if Congress cut funding. I suspect Biden would still funnel over money. He needs the support and protection of the secret police orgs.</p>
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		By: TimK		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/22/defund-the-fbi-but-how/#comment-2680836</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TimK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2023 19:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Snow on Pine:  I was referring to what could be done by a new Republican President.  Since most FBI employees do not have statutory limits on discipline, they are essentially terminable at will.  So a thorough house-cleaning would be eminently doable.  It wouldn&#039;t require any legislation at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snow on Pine:  I was referring to what could be done by a new Republican President.  Since most FBI employees do not have statutory limits on discipline, they are essentially terminable at will.  So a thorough house-cleaning would be eminently doable.  It wouldn&#8217;t require any legislation at all.</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/22/defund-the-fbi-but-how/#comment-2680835</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve57]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2023 18:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Autocorrect, gotta love it. How you go from &quot;reacting&quot; to &quot;rectilinear &quot; I&#039;ll never know.

I should add that the CIA is so bad at its assigned mission that in my estimation for purposes of self-presrvation and maybe sheer boredom they became a domestic political operation.

A new Mission Impossible is out in July. Enjoy it. Try to forget when you see that competent organization in action that it&#039;s just a movie.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Autocorrect, gotta love it. How you go from &#8220;reacting&#8221; to &#8220;rectilinear &#8221; I&#8217;ll never know.</p>
<p>I should add that the CIA is so bad at its assigned mission that in my estimation for purposes of self-presrvation and maybe sheer boredom they became a domestic political operation.</p>
<p>A new Mission Impossible is out in July. Enjoy it. Try to forget when you see that competent organization in action that it&#8217;s just a movie.</p>
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		By: Insufficiently Sensitive		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/22/defund-the-fbi-but-how/#comment-2680834</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Insufficiently Sensitive]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2023 18:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The current crop of General Officers/Flag Officers owe their allegiance to the Democrats, the majority having been put in place by Democrats.&lt;/i&gt;

A nice pushback to that grim fact was the letter to Kevin McCarthy and other House officers of 5/16/23, signed by a few dozen retired Flag Officers, which is off topic here, but did a clear and explicit job making public their resistance to the DEI plague now infesting the US military.  Likely this subgroup was largely  RETIRED by Democrats, beginning with Obama.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The current crop of General Officers/Flag Officers owe their allegiance to the Democrats, the majority having been put in place by Democrats.</i></p>
<p>A nice pushback to that grim fact was the letter to Kevin McCarthy and other House officers of 5/16/23, signed by a few dozen retired Flag Officers, which is off topic here, but did a clear and explicit job making public their resistance to the DEI plague now infesting the US military.  Likely this subgroup was largely  RETIRED by Democrats, beginning with Obama.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/22/defund-the-fbi-but-how/#comment-2680833</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2023 18:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Has any one of these phoney amnesiacs ever actually been punished in any meaningful way for their affrontery?

I can’t think of a one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has any one of these phoney amnesiacs ever actually been punished in any meaningful way for their affrontery?</p>
<p>I can’t think of a one.</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/22/defund-the-fbi-but-how/#comment-2680832</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve57]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2023 18:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, they could zero out the DOJ&#039;s budget (of which the FBI is a part) and a GOP could sign such a budget into law (along w/CIA &#038; DOS). When it comes to the FBI, why not? It&#039;s only been around for 100 years and under Hoover was corrupt from the start. 

But the Dems (and by Dems always remember when I use the term it includes the MFM) would scream bloody murder that we&#039;re opening up the country to threats to &quot;Our Democracy (TM)!&quot; Whatever they have in mind with Democracy it&#039;s unconstitutional, and their Democracy and the FBI are NatSec threats to the country and Whatever is left of our REPUBLIC.

I think the case could be made but they would have had to start years if not decades ago and those in office would fold in any case.

Since the DOJ/FBI are the enforcement/prosecutor&#039;s arm of leviathan (the Dems being the party of leviathan) anybody trying to &quot;prep the battlefield&quot; would find themselves in front of a potemkin judge in a show trial that would make Stalin blush to be convicted on invented charges.

The DOS is likewise worse than useless. It&#039;s currently tied in knots because on Blinken&#039;s authority they made the use of pronouns mandatory on all internal emails. One thing led to another and now they are publicly offering counseling to anyone traumatized if they felt misgendered. I&#039;d say it&#039;s funny except other countries are rectilinear in horror. And the more from the and center tha DOS puts advancing the cause of the LGBTQ++ agenda for domestic pandering purposes they lose the ability to read the room. Now countries in Africa such as Uganda are responding to the DOS LGBTQ global absolutist evangelist force by making homosexuality a hanging offense.

As a former Naval Intel Officer I hated sharing Intel with the embassy. I always felt like asking if I should just go ahead and call Beijing and Moscow or if I should wait for them to call.

The CIA is the worst of the lot. Like Joe Biden, never underestimate their ability to eff things up. Every time I had the misfortune to interact with them all they did was subtract from sum of human knowledge. When I was staff at commands overseas I&#039;d get a call from them occasionally and the end result was always the same. I&#039;d get off the phone and ask the secretary if I could speak with the Admiral. When told I&#039;d go in and say. &quot;Sir, CIA called.&quot; He&#039;d shake his head and tell me to go on. &quot;That thing I told you two days ago is no longer unclassified. Now we can&#039;t use it.&quot;

Those are the rules. CIA calls on a secure phone and tells you something it counts as official confirmation and that makes it classified. F***ers!

I can&#039;t affirmatively say all their analysts suck since I haven&#039;t met them all, but all their covert types do. Recall Valerie Plame. 

She was supposedly a &quot;NOC&quot; (Non-Official Cover) agent. It&#039;s supposedly a dangerous job. Not the way we do it. Out CIA sucks so bad this is the safest job in the world. 

Scooter Libbey who can hang for all I care didn&#039;t out her. Neither did any other Bush Era officials. DOS outed her years earlier when some idiot sent a list of NOCs to the US interests section at the Swiss embassy in Havana for what could only be the shopping convenience of Cuban intelligence.

Just imagine the multiple layers of stupidity it took to get that list into the hands of the Cubans and therefore every communist country on earth. Now our NOCs were their assets and they&#039;d protect them so they could pass false information to the USG. If they could stop pointing and laughing.

A man whose opinion I had reason to trust told me when it comes to trade craft were grade schoolers in a world full of PhDs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, they could zero out the DOJ&#8217;s budget (of which the FBI is a part) and a GOP could sign such a budget into law (along w/CIA &amp; DOS). When it comes to the FBI, why not? It&#8217;s only been around for 100 years and under Hoover was corrupt from the start. </p>
<p>But the Dems (and by Dems always remember when I use the term it includes the MFM) would scream bloody murder that we&#8217;re opening up the country to threats to &#8220;Our Democracy (TM)!&#8221; Whatever they have in mind with Democracy it&#8217;s unconstitutional, and their Democracy and the FBI are NatSec threats to the country and Whatever is left of our REPUBLIC.</p>
<p>I think the case could be made but they would have had to start years if not decades ago and those in office would fold in any case.</p>
<p>Since the DOJ/FBI are the enforcement/prosecutor&#8217;s arm of leviathan (the Dems being the party of leviathan) anybody trying to &#8220;prep the battlefield&#8221; would find themselves in front of a potemkin judge in a show trial that would make Stalin blush to be convicted on invented charges.</p>
<p>The DOS is likewise worse than useless. It&#8217;s currently tied in knots because on Blinken&#8217;s authority they made the use of pronouns mandatory on all internal emails. One thing led to another and now they are publicly offering counseling to anyone traumatized if they felt misgendered. I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s funny except other countries are rectilinear in horror. And the more from the and center tha DOS puts advancing the cause of the LGBTQ++ agenda for domestic pandering purposes they lose the ability to read the room. Now countries in Africa such as Uganda are responding to the DOS LGBTQ global absolutist evangelist force by making homosexuality a hanging offense.</p>
<p>As a former Naval Intel Officer I hated sharing Intel with the embassy. I always felt like asking if I should just go ahead and call Beijing and Moscow or if I should wait for them to call.</p>
<p>The CIA is the worst of the lot. Like Joe Biden, never underestimate their ability to eff things up. Every time I had the misfortune to interact with them all they did was subtract from sum of human knowledge. When I was staff at commands overseas I&#8217;d get a call from them occasionally and the end result was always the same. I&#8217;d get off the phone and ask the secretary if I could speak with the Admiral. When told I&#8217;d go in and say. &#8220;Sir, CIA called.&#8221; He&#8217;d shake his head and tell me to go on. &#8220;That thing I told you two days ago is no longer unclassified. Now we can&#8217;t use it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Those are the rules. CIA calls on a secure phone and tells you something it counts as official confirmation and that makes it classified. F***ers!</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t affirmatively say all their analysts suck since I haven&#8217;t met them all, but all their covert types do. Recall Valerie Plame. </p>
<p>She was supposedly a &#8220;NOC&#8221; (Non-Official Cover) agent. It&#8217;s supposedly a dangerous job. Not the way we do it. Out CIA sucks so bad this is the safest job in the world. </p>
<p>Scooter Libbey who can hang for all I care didn&#8217;t out her. Neither did any other Bush Era officials. DOS outed her years earlier when some idiot sent a list of NOCs to the US interests section at the Swiss embassy in Havana for what could only be the shopping convenience of Cuban intelligence.</p>
<p>Just imagine the multiple layers of stupidity it took to get that list into the hands of the Cubans and therefore every communist country on earth. Now our NOCs were their assets and they&#8217;d protect them so they could pass false information to the USG. If they could stop pointing and laughing.</p>
<p>A man whose opinion I had reason to trust told me when it comes to trade craft were grade schoolers in a world full of PhDs.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2023 18:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Biden&quot;&#039;s Praetorian Guard in the making?
&quot;IRS Hires Armed Guards Across Nation&quot;---
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/irs-agents-criminal-investigation/2023/04/28/id/1117883/
&quot;Amid attacks on lawmakers, Capitol Police chief says force now nationwide &#039;protective agency&#039;;
&quot;The department&#039;s budget has more than doubled since 2015&quot;---
https://justthenews.com/government/congress/capitol-police-transitioning-protective-oriented-agency-lawmakers-and-spouses
This last item is Nancy Pelosi&#039;s dream come true... Wonder of wonders...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Biden&#8221;&#8216;s Praetorian Guard in the making?<br />
&#8220;IRS Hires Armed Guards Across Nation&#8221;&#8212;<br />
<a href="https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/irs-agents-criminal-investigation/2023/04/28/id/1117883/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/irs-agents-criminal-investigation/2023/04/28/id/1117883/</a><br />
&#8220;Amid attacks on lawmakers, Capitol Police chief says force now nationwide &#8216;protective agency&#8217;;<br />
&#8220;The department&#8217;s budget has more than doubled since 2015&#8221;&#8212;<br />
<a href="https://justthenews.com/government/congress/capitol-police-transitioning-protective-oriented-agency-lawmakers-and-spouses" rel="nofollow ugc">https://justthenews.com/government/congress/capitol-police-transitioning-protective-oriented-agency-lawmakers-and-spouses</a><br />
This last item is Nancy Pelosi&#8217;s dream come true&#8230; Wonder of wonders&#8230;</p>
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