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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2023 05:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Snow &quot;a coming under population in the world’s future.&quot;

Sarah Hoyt has written extensively about that; she totally dismisses the population figures cited by the UN as having been made up by third-world countries to claim higher numbers, because that brings in more aid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Snow &#8220;a coming under population in the world’s future.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sarah Hoyt has written extensively about that; she totally dismisses the population figures cited by the UN as having been made up by third-world countries to claim higher numbers, because that brings in more aid.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/20/societies-that-destroy-themselves-the-war-on-agriculture/#comment-2680730</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2023 21:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bill Sierra—And yet, what the more sane analysts are pointing to is not a coming overpopulation, but a coming under population in the world’s future.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Sierra—And yet, what the more sane analysts are pointing to is not a coming overpopulation, but a coming under population in the world’s future.</p>
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		By: Bill Serra		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2023 19:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[De-population--that&#039;s the Holy Grail of the environmental movement--to save Mother Gaia from destruction by the human race.
Advocating for &#038; promotion of homosexuality, transgenderism, universal abortion on demand, abolish the amenities of First world societies, undermine the traditional family, undermine traditional religion, all to stop and/or reverse the human population.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>De-population&#8211;that&#8217;s the Holy Grail of the environmental movement&#8211;to save Mother Gaia from destruction by the human race.<br />
Advocating for &amp; promotion of homosexuality, transgenderism, universal abortion on demand, abolish the amenities of First world societies, undermine the traditional family, undermine traditional religion, all to stop and/or reverse the human population.</p>
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		By: John		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2023 18:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron&#039;s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.


C. S. Lewis]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron&#8217;s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.</p>
<p>C. S. Lewis</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2023 18:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Barry Meislin--

Then there is the phenomenon of Kodokushi—people apparently deciding to or having to, die a “lonely death” (in what one would have thought was a very family-oriented and tight-knit society), and reports that each year an estimated 30,000 Japanese (the actual number may be a lot higher) die alone, and are often only discovered to have died alone by the smell, with an industry having grownup to clean out their homes and apartments, and to dispose of their possessions.

The appearance of phenomena like Kodokushi perhaps another indicator of  disintegration in Japanese society. 

See  https://min.news/en/world/eb18e95cc336b62f4d30c3a66060ffbc.html and  

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/so-many-japanese-people-die-alone-theres-an-industry-devoted-to-cleaning-up-after-them-1804387]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry Meislin&#8211;</p>
<p>Then there is the phenomenon of Kodokushi—people apparently deciding to or having to, die a “lonely death” (in what one would have thought was a very family-oriented and tight-knit society), and reports that each year an estimated 30,000 Japanese (the actual number may be a lot higher) die alone, and are often only discovered to have died alone by the smell, with an industry having grownup to clean out their homes and apartments, and to dispose of their possessions.</p>
<p>The appearance of phenomena like Kodokushi perhaps another indicator of  disintegration in Japanese society. </p>
<p>See  <a href="https://min.news/en/world/eb18e95cc336b62f4d30c3a66060ffbc.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://min.news/en/world/eb18e95cc336b62f4d30c3a66060ffbc.html</a> and  </p>
<p><a href="https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/so-many-japanese-people-die-alone-theres-an-industry-devoted-to-cleaning-up-after-them-1804387" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/so-many-japanese-people-die-alone-theres-an-industry-devoted-to-cleaning-up-after-them-1804387</a></p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2023 16:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not sure. Possibly.
I believe that WRT China, the one-child policy MEANT scads of abortions...almost always of female fetuses.
I&#039;m pretty sure that this is documented. Especially in the case of farmers, but not only.
That being the case, it stands to reason that there will NOW be far more girls being born.
We already know of the huge disparity in population between male and female in China created by the benighted---if perfectly &quot;LOGICAL&quot; from a top-down, bureaucratic, totalitarian standpoint---policy vis-a-vis the perceived &quot;NEED&quot; to reduce the population..
And it is not unlikely that this grim and unworkable disparity is what persuaded Xi to switch directions (though it wouldn&#039;t surprise me if the CPC first would have publicly declared something along the lines of &quot;We have ACHIEVED our goals yadda, yadda, yadda! We can now---graciously---allow more children to be born per couple...&quot;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure. Possibly.<br />
I believe that WRT China, the one-child policy MEANT scads of abortions&#8230;almost always of female fetuses.<br />
I&#8217;m pretty sure that this is documented. Especially in the case of farmers, but not only.<br />
That being the case, it stands to reason that there will NOW be far more girls being born.<br />
We already know of the huge disparity in population between male and female in China created by the benighted&#8212;if perfectly &#8220;LOGICAL&#8221; from a top-down, bureaucratic, totalitarian standpoint&#8212;policy vis-a-vis the perceived &#8220;NEED&#8221; to reduce the population..<br />
And it is not unlikely that this grim and unworkable disparity is what persuaded Xi to switch directions (though it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me if the CPC first would have publicly declared something along the lines of &#8220;We have ACHIEVED our goals yadda, yadda, yadda! We can now&#8212;graciously&#8212;allow more children to be born per couple&#8230;&#8221;)</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/20/societies-that-destroy-themselves-the-war-on-agriculture/#comment-2680694</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2023 16:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Barry Meislin--

If you believe analysts like Peter Zeihan, in many instances past actions taken--as in the case of China and its former &quot;one child policy&quot;--mean that these demographic catastrophies are already baked into a country&#039;s demographic structure, and there is not any easy way--or perhaps any way at all--to reverse them.

If people just don&#039;t feel like having children--if the spirit and the optimism about the future isn&#039;t there--it looks like it&#039;s pretty hard to cajole them to do so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry Meislin&#8211;</p>
<p>If you believe analysts like Peter Zeihan, in many instances past actions taken&#8211;as in the case of China and its former &#8220;one child policy&#8221;&#8211;mean that these demographic catastrophies are already baked into a country&#8217;s demographic structure, and there is not any easy way&#8211;or perhaps any way at all&#8211;to reverse them.</p>
<p>If people just don&#8217;t feel like having children&#8211;if the spirit and the optimism about the future isn&#8217;t there&#8211;it looks like it&#8217;s pretty hard to cajole them to do so.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/20/societies-that-destroy-themselves-the-war-on-agriculture/#comment-2680692</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2023 16:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Barry Meislin—.

On a fundamental level, the change from a mostly agricultural society to one based on manufacturing and technology, and the subsequent move of a large percentage of the population from the villages and the countryside to large urban areas—urban settings which quite often feature very small, crowded, and very expensive accommodations--plus the sheer cost of raising children, has discouraged having large families.

From my perspective there are also some really strange cultural dynamics taking place in Japan these days, such as the phenomenon of some young people living sexless lives, or living holed up in their apartments or video game parlors, and never leaving. 

And what is this fascination with childish cartoon characters?

Then, there are the reports of &quot;liberated&quot; young women who want and have careers who cannot afford to marry or to interrupt those careers to have children.

How about Japan&#039;s aging &quot;left over women?&quot;

Sex hotels everywhere, what is that all about?

And, from reports, government efforts to promote having more children have just not worked.

The driving spirit that used to animate traditional Japan has, it appears, just dwindled away, and I don&#039;t see any way to recapture and to reignite it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry Meislin—.</p>
<p>On a fundamental level, the change from a mostly agricultural society to one based on manufacturing and technology, and the subsequent move of a large percentage of the population from the villages and the countryside to large urban areas—urban settings which quite often feature very small, crowded, and very expensive accommodations&#8211;plus the sheer cost of raising children, has discouraged having large families.</p>
<p>From my perspective there are also some really strange cultural dynamics taking place in Japan these days, such as the phenomenon of some young people living sexless lives, or living holed up in their apartments or video game parlors, and never leaving. </p>
<p>And what is this fascination with childish cartoon characters?</p>
<p>Then, there are the reports of &#8220;liberated&#8221; young women who want and have careers who cannot afford to marry or to interrupt those careers to have children.</p>
<p>How about Japan&#8217;s aging &#8220;left over women?&#8221;</p>
<p>Sex hotels everywhere, what is that all about?</p>
<p>And, from reports, government efforts to promote having more children have just not worked.</p>
<p>The driving spirit that used to animate traditional Japan has, it appears, just dwindled away, and I don&#8217;t see any way to recapture and to reignite it.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2023 15:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, they probably won&#039;t go that route, at least not to any significant extent.
What I suppose they MIGHT do is implement a program to encourage families to have children (assuming they haven&#039;t done so already); and if that doesn&#039;t achieve the desired result then I imagine they&#039;ll embark on a significant artificial insemination plan...unless there&#039;s something about THAT that runs counter to Shintoism (I don&#039;t know enough about it).
(Significantly, China is now encouraging couples to have children. Has been for some time, but now they&#039;re really pushing it.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, they probably won&#8217;t go that route, at least not to any significant extent.<br />
What I suppose they MIGHT do is implement a program to encourage families to have children (assuming they haven&#8217;t done so already); and if that doesn&#8217;t achieve the desired result then I imagine they&#8217;ll embark on a significant artificial insemination plan&#8230;unless there&#8217;s something about THAT that runs counter to Shintoism (I don&#8217;t know enough about it).<br />
(Significantly, China is now encouraging couples to have children. Has been for some time, but now they&#8217;re really pushing it.)</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2023 14:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Barry Meislin--

There are many ways that a society can commit suicide.

Admirable though they may be in many ways, like some other nations, the Japanese are in the midst of a predicted demographic death spiral, which will see the collapse of their population (and, I&#039;d imagine, any real influence that nation might have on the world) in the not so distant future.

This spiral could be averted if they allowed large scale immigration by non-Japanese settlers into a homogeneous, 97.9% ethnic Japanese Japan, but letting in foreigners is not something they are willing to do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry Meislin&#8211;</p>
<p>There are many ways that a society can commit suicide.</p>
<p>Admirable though they may be in many ways, like some other nations, the Japanese are in the midst of a predicted demographic death spiral, which will see the collapse of their population (and, I&#8217;d imagine, any real influence that nation might have on the world) in the not so distant future.</p>
<p>This spiral could be averted if they allowed large scale immigration by non-Japanese settlers into a homogeneous, 97.9% ethnic Japanese Japan, but letting in foreigners is not something they are willing to do.</p>
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