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		By: Cappy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/19/progressive-therapy/#comment-2680576</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cappy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2023 13:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I never could make it as a therapist.

&quot;My diagnosis is that you&#039;re nuts.

My recommendations is to stop it right now&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never could make it as a therapist.</p>
<p>&#8220;My diagnosis is that you&#8217;re nuts.</p>
<p>My recommendations is to stop it right now&#8221;.</p>
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		By: PGP		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/19/progressive-therapy/#comment-2680471</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PGP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2023 15:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, as a recovering lawyer who then went to get a Master&#039;s in Counseling, I&#039;d love to see your paper. I never did enough couples work to have a solid grasp of it, myself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, as a recovering lawyer who then went to get a Master&#8217;s in Counseling, I&#8217;d love to see your paper. I never did enough couples work to have a solid grasp of it, myself.</p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/19/progressive-therapy/#comment-2680467</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2023 15:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Oh, we on the right have incorporated knowledge of these messages into our being, all right.&quot;

Yeah, assisted by having them shoved down our throats by the media for much of our lives. I told my children that I would happily support them through any degree they chose... except journalism. They chose wisely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oh, we on the right have incorporated knowledge of these messages into our being, all right.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, assisted by having them shoved down our throats by the media for much of our lives. I told my children that I would happily support them through any degree they chose&#8230; except journalism. They chose wisely.</p>
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		By: Mike K		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/19/progressive-therapy/#comment-2680461</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2023 14:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s hard to imagine that any &quot;therapist&quot; would bring up &quot;systemic racism&quot; for an interracial couple in couples therapy.  A lot of black women are angry that black men marry white women.  That may have affected the OJ jury among other things and may even be an example of &quot;systemic racism&quot; but I can&#039;t see any benefit, except to OJ, of course.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to imagine that any &#8220;therapist&#8221; would bring up &#8220;systemic racism&#8221; for an interracial couple in couples therapy.  A lot of black women are angry that black men marry white women.  That may have affected the OJ jury among other things and may even be an example of &#8220;systemic racism&#8221; but I can&#8217;t see any benefit, except to OJ, of course.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/19/progressive-therapy/#comment-2680456</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2023 13:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JJ,

Thanks for sharing your story and so glad to hear you found a path away from your pain.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ,</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your story and so glad to hear you found a path away from your pain.</p>
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		By: JJ		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/19/progressive-therapy/#comment-2680437</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2023 04:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have worked with five therapists.  Three of them helped me by sitting and listening to me pour out my grief over our son&#039;s death. They were listeners who only offered suggestions for my grieving process.  All three were men. They helped me by listening to things no one else wanted to hear.

The fourth therapist I worked with held group therapy sessions for couples. My wife and I were coming back together after a separation that was primarily fomented by our grief and the different ways we processed it.  Again, this therapist was a facilitator who mostly listened and offered suggestions. Group therapy&#039;s value lies in hearing other people talk about their issues and realizing that relationship difficulties are not unusual or rare. Listening to others talk often led me to insights about my own issues. 

One night, I made a breakthrough. I had been cramming down a lot of anger for years related to the way we had abandoned the South Vietnamese when my friends had died there. The futility of their sacrifices had really cranked my chain. Something set me off.  I don&#039;t remember what. I went into a rant about the unfairness of life, how awful it was that good men died young and left their grieving families, and how duplicitous politicians could be, etc. etc.  I got pretty heated, and after ten minutes of ranting, I shut up and looked around the room. It was stone cold quiet. A couple of thew wives were sobbing. We sat there for some time before anyone spoke. Then our therapist said words to the effect that we had just witnessed a breakthrough.  

That knight she referred me to a therapist who specialized in anger management. He was the man who helped me bring all the stifled anger out through specialized sessions in a padded, sound proofed room. He guided me, I did the work.  I learned how to get in touch with my anger, to express it safely, and to work it out of my system. That was 37 years ago. I still use what I learned from that therapist today.  

Maybe I&#039;m a psycho, but I needed help, and fortunately I found it. So, I&#039;m a believer in therapists, but you need to find the right fit.  It&#039;s not a sign of weakness to look/ask for help.  A therapists will not solve your problems. They can guide you to helping you solve your problems.

All that said, I don&#039;t doubt that there are some bad therapists out there.  Politics has invaded every facet of our lives. It&#039;s sad.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have worked with five therapists.  Three of them helped me by sitting and listening to me pour out my grief over our son&#8217;s death. They were listeners who only offered suggestions for my grieving process.  All three were men. They helped me by listening to things no one else wanted to hear.</p>
<p>The fourth therapist I worked with held group therapy sessions for couples. My wife and I were coming back together after a separation that was primarily fomented by our grief and the different ways we processed it.  Again, this therapist was a facilitator who mostly listened and offered suggestions. Group therapy&#8217;s value lies in hearing other people talk about their issues and realizing that relationship difficulties are not unusual or rare. Listening to others talk often led me to insights about my own issues. </p>
<p>One night, I made a breakthrough. I had been cramming down a lot of anger for years related to the way we had abandoned the South Vietnamese when my friends had died there. The futility of their sacrifices had really cranked my chain. Something set me off.  I don&#8217;t remember what. I went into a rant about the unfairness of life, how awful it was that good men died young and left their grieving families, and how duplicitous politicians could be, etc. etc.  I got pretty heated, and after ten minutes of ranting, I shut up and looked around the room. It was stone cold quiet. A couple of thew wives were sobbing. We sat there for some time before anyone spoke. Then our therapist said words to the effect that we had just witnessed a breakthrough.  </p>
<p>That knight she referred me to a therapist who specialized in anger management. He was the man who helped me bring all the stifled anger out through specialized sessions in a padded, sound proofed room. He guided me, I did the work.  I learned how to get in touch with my anger, to express it safely, and to work it out of my system. That was 37 years ago. I still use what I learned from that therapist today.  </p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m a psycho, but I needed help, and fortunately I found it. So, I&#8217;m a believer in therapists, but you need to find the right fit.  It&#8217;s not a sign of weakness to look/ask for help.  A therapists will not solve your problems. They can guide you to helping you solve your problems.</p>
<p>All that said, I don&#8217;t doubt that there are some bad therapists out there.  Politics has invaded every facet of our lives. It&#8217;s sad.</p>
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		By: Wendy Laubach		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/19/progressive-therapy/#comment-2680433</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wendy Laubach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2023 03:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I should that anyone seriously trying to examine what was going wrong in his interactions with others, or why his life was deeply unsatisfying, might have to consider any number of issues that might be called &quot;woke&quot; if &quot;woke&quot; hadn&#039;t become so cookie-cutter, so manipulative, and so authoritarian.  Clearly an interracial couple would do well to try to have some empathy with each other&#039;s different experiences, just as a husband would do well to take his wife&#039;s childhood abuse into account in trying to understand her, or a wife should be aware of her husband&#039;s tendency to overreact to loss because she knows his whole family was killed by terrorists when he was 12 years old.  They can very well get on with this without labeling each other oppressors and shouting slogans in the home.

People have experiences, some awful.  They also have duties to behave well, even if behaving well in some contexts is especially difficult for them because of past trauma.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should that anyone seriously trying to examine what was going wrong in his interactions with others, or why his life was deeply unsatisfying, might have to consider any number of issues that might be called &#8220;woke&#8221; if &#8220;woke&#8221; hadn&#8217;t become so cookie-cutter, so manipulative, and so authoritarian.  Clearly an interracial couple would do well to try to have some empathy with each other&#8217;s different experiences, just as a husband would do well to take his wife&#8217;s childhood abuse into account in trying to understand her, or a wife should be aware of her husband&#8217;s tendency to overreact to loss because she knows his whole family was killed by terrorists when he was 12 years old.  They can very well get on with this without labeling each other oppressors and shouting slogans in the home.</p>
<p>People have experiences, some awful.  They also have duties to behave well, even if behaving well in some contexts is especially difficult for them because of past trauma.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/19/progressive-therapy/#comment-2680432</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2023 03:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was pretty screwed-up by the time I was shopping for therapists and therapeutic approaches.

For me, then, talking to a standard counselor, therapist, psychiatrist, religious advisor was out of the question -- I had seen enough of those people -- and I doubt would have helped unless I was very lucky.

So, I headed off into less orthodox approaches. That could have gone badly too.

Fortunately, I was attracted to &quot;tough love&quot; approaches -- Gestalt Therapy, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and wildly dissimilar cult teachers like Ayn Rand, Stephen Gaskin, Werner Erhard and Tony Robbins -- emphasizing personal responsibility.

That&#039;s still the bedrock for me. And why I find the the Woke approach, in which everything reduces to identity and victimization, to be not just wrong, but crippling.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was pretty screwed-up by the time I was shopping for therapists and therapeutic approaches.</p>
<p>For me, then, talking to a standard counselor, therapist, psychiatrist, religious advisor was out of the question &#8212; I had seen enough of those people &#8212; and I doubt would have helped unless I was very lucky.</p>
<p>So, I headed off into less orthodox approaches. That could have gone badly too.</p>
<p>Fortunately, I was attracted to &#8220;tough love&#8221; approaches &#8212; Gestalt Therapy, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and wildly dissimilar cult teachers like Ayn Rand, Stephen Gaskin, Werner Erhard and Tony Robbins &#8212; emphasizing personal responsibility.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s still the bedrock for me. And why I find the the Woke approach, in which everything reduces to identity and victimization, to be not just wrong, but crippling.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/19/progressive-therapy/#comment-2680426</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2023 02:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[However, one may imagine situations where a political analysis of a psychological problem might be useful.

Say, if one were a real black slave who, hypothetically, consulted a therapist about feelings of anger and depression.

Or a concentration camp guard with feelings of sadness and depression.

Or, perhaps, closer to home, conservatives with feelings of sadness, anger and depression about America&#039;s decline and its real effects on their lives.

I don&#039;t mean to be contrarian here. I&#039;m happy to grant that most people&#039;s problems don&#039;t reduce and shouldn&#039;t be reduced to politics.

Then there&#039;s also the issue that some political analyses are more useful than others.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However, one may imagine situations where a political analysis of a psychological problem might be useful.</p>
<p>Say, if one were a real black slave who, hypothetically, consulted a therapist about feelings of anger and depression.</p>
<p>Or a concentration camp guard with feelings of sadness and depression.</p>
<p>Or, perhaps, closer to home, conservatives with feelings of sadness, anger and depression about America&#8217;s decline and its real effects on their lives.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to be contrarian here. I&#8217;m happy to grant that most people&#8217;s problems don&#8217;t reduce and shouldn&#8217;t be reduced to politics.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s also the issue that some political analyses are more useful than others.</p>
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		By: Mac		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/19/progressive-therapy/#comment-2680425</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2023 02:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Triumph of the Therapeutic&lt;/i&gt; is one of the most important books of the latter 20th century. I consider it essential for an understanding of what is currently happening in our culture. Well, if you can understand it--it&#039;s not an easy read, to put it mildly. Rieff was brilliant and prophetic in recognizing and diagnosing it long before it became the cluster of pathologies which it has become. If I may:

https://www.lightondarkwater.com/2022/08/rieff-was-right.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Triumph of the Therapeutic</i> is one of the most important books of the latter 20th century. I consider it essential for an understanding of what is currently happening in our culture. Well, if you can understand it&#8211;it&#8217;s not an easy read, to put it mildly. Rieff was brilliant and prophetic in recognizing and diagnosing it long before it became the cluster of pathologies which it has become. If I may:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.lightondarkwater.com/2022/08/rieff-was-right.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.lightondarkwater.com/2022/08/rieff-was-right.html</a></p>
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