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		By: Oligonicella		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/04/open-thread-5-4-23/#comment-2678462</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oligonicella]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2023 18:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco -- You&#039;re being legally pedantic.  Search Bing with &quot;Blasey ford hero&quot;:

&lt;a href=&quot;www.goodreads.com/book/show/42176757-christine-blasey-ford&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Good Reads&lt;/a&gt;: Christine Blasey Ford: An American Hero
&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.huffpost.com/entry/opinion-ford-hero-kavanaugh-hearings_n_5baea131e4b027da00d33c1a&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;HuffPost&lt;/a&gt;:        Dr. Christine Blasey Ford Is An American Hero
&lt;a href=&quot;https://theweek.com/articles/798572/hero-christine-blasey-ford&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;The Week&lt;/a&gt;: The hero Christine Blasey Ford

The first three of 108,000 results.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco &#8212; You&#8217;re being legally pedantic.  Search Bing with &#8220;Blasey ford hero&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="www.goodreads.com/book/show/42176757-christine-blasey-ford" rel="nofollow ugc">Good Reads</a>: Christine Blasey Ford: An American Hero<br />
<a href="https://www.huffpost.com/entry/opinion-ford-hero-kavanaugh-hearings_n_5baea131e4b027da00d33c1a" rel="nofollow ugc">HuffPost</a>:        Dr. Christine Blasey Ford Is An American Hero<br />
<a href="https://theweek.com/articles/798572/hero-christine-blasey-ford" rel="nofollow ugc">The Week</a>: The hero Christine Blasey Ford</p>
<p>The first three of 108,000 results.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/04/open-thread-5-4-23/#comment-2678423</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2023 01:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The liars willing to accuse Kavanaugh were legion. They were treated as heroes by the Democrats.&lt;/i&gt;
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They weren&#039;t legion.  They numbered precisely four.  Only one testified before the Senate Judiciary committee.  Christine Blasey Ford and Julia Swetnick faced the same problem: neither they nor their handlers nor our stooge media could present any evidence that either had ever met the young men they accused or even delineate a set of circumstances under which they might have met. Swetnick&#039;s tale was hampered further by being sorely implausible - that as a community college student she hung around with high school students with whom she&#039;d never attended school, that she&#039;d been a witness to gang rapes she&#039;d never reported to police, and that a pair of 17 year old Catholic high school students were running rape gangs. 
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A third accuser, Deborah Ramirez, was demonstrably acquainted with BK around about 1984; her credibility was hampered by her admission that she&#039;d been coached for the better part of a week before &#039;coming forward&#039; and that she admitted she was inebriated during the incident.  Her accusation was that she&#039;d caught sight of his genitals at a boozy student gathering, i.e. not compelling.  Members of the media tried to amplify her accusation by putting one James Roche on the air to attest to her good character and trash BK.  
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And who was James Roche? A Yale alum who had shared a dorm suite with BK and two other chaps for 4 months and change (August 1983 to January 1984).  One of the young men left in mid semester (after a fight with Roche, in BK&#039;s telling).  The one who replaced him disliked BK and liked Roche, but his complaints against BK in re the ten weeks they shared the suite were on the order of BK&#039;s friends leaving flecks of vomit on the bathroom floor.  Roche made a number of assertions that amounted to saying that inside jokes between BK and his buddies were common slang in the BosWash corridor. That was news to many of us of similar vintage who lived there at the time.  (I was a Maryland state resident in 1983; I&#039;d never heard the terms &#039;boofing&#039; or &#039;devil&#039;s triangle&#039;, much less knew what they meant).  James Roche nursed a grudge for 35 years over petty interpersonal disputes with an adolescent he shared a dorm suite with consequent to a housing lottery.  For a normal human being, that looks pathological.  For partisan Democrats in the media, he was a fitting subject for a one-on-one television interview.  
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I&#039;m not seeing these four were treated as &#039;heroes&#039;.  Swetnick was forgotten as an embarrassment and Ramirez forgotten as someone not of much use.  As for Ford and Roche, it wasn&#039;t treating them as &#039;heroes&#039;, it was pretending they were credible and important because that&#039;s the lie you needed to tell to get what you want.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The liars willing to accuse Kavanaugh were legion. They were treated as heroes by the Democrats.</i><br />
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They weren&#8217;t legion.  They numbered precisely four.  Only one testified before the Senate Judiciary committee.  Christine Blasey Ford and Julia Swetnick faced the same problem: neither they nor their handlers nor our stooge media could present any evidence that either had ever met the young men they accused or even delineate a set of circumstances under which they might have met. Swetnick&#8217;s tale was hampered further by being sorely implausible &#8211; that as a community college student she hung around with high school students with whom she&#8217;d never attended school, that she&#8217;d been a witness to gang rapes she&#8217;d never reported to police, and that a pair of 17 year old Catholic high school students were running rape gangs.<br />
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A third accuser, Deborah Ramirez, was demonstrably acquainted with BK around about 1984; her credibility was hampered by her admission that she&#8217;d been coached for the better part of a week before &#8216;coming forward&#8217; and that she admitted she was inebriated during the incident.  Her accusation was that she&#8217;d caught sight of his genitals at a boozy student gathering, i.e. not compelling.  Members of the media tried to amplify her accusation by putting one James Roche on the air to attest to her good character and trash BK.<br />
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And who was James Roche? A Yale alum who had shared a dorm suite with BK and two other chaps for 4 months and change (August 1983 to January 1984).  One of the young men left in mid semester (after a fight with Roche, in BK&#8217;s telling).  The one who replaced him disliked BK and liked Roche, but his complaints against BK in re the ten weeks they shared the suite were on the order of BK&#8217;s friends leaving flecks of vomit on the bathroom floor.  Roche made a number of assertions that amounted to saying that inside jokes between BK and his buddies were common slang in the BosWash corridor. That was news to many of us of similar vintage who lived there at the time.  (I was a Maryland state resident in 1983; I&#8217;d never heard the terms &#8216;boofing&#8217; or &#8216;devil&#8217;s triangle&#8217;, much less knew what they meant).  James Roche nursed a grudge for 35 years over petty interpersonal disputes with an adolescent he shared a dorm suite with consequent to a housing lottery.  For a normal human being, that looks pathological.  For partisan Democrats in the media, he was a fitting subject for a one-on-one television interview.<br />
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I&#8217;m not seeing these four were treated as &#8216;heroes&#8217;.  Swetnick was forgotten as an embarrassment and Ramirez forgotten as someone not of much use.  As for Ford and Roche, it wasn&#8217;t treating them as &#8216;heroes&#8217;, it was pretending they were credible and important because that&#8217;s the lie you needed to tell to get what you want.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/04/open-thread-5-4-23/#comment-2678417</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2023 00:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Our World in Data has since 15 July 2020 been collecting data on hospitalization for COVID here and abroad.  As of 2 May 2023 in the United States, the weekly number admitted (10,040), the census of those admitted (9,057), and the census of those in intensive care units (1,177) are the lowest recorded yet.  
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our World in Data has since 15 July 2020 been collecting data on hospitalization for COVID here and abroad.  As of 2 May 2023 in the United States, the weekly number admitted (10,040), the census of those admitted (9,057), and the census of those in intensive care units (1,177) are the lowest recorded yet.<br />
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/04/open-thread-5-4-23/#comment-2678402</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2023 21:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[our cyborg overlords will be merciful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb16CEhqDnw]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>our cyborg overlords will be merciful:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb16CEhqDnw" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb16CEhqDnw</a></p>
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		By: Oligonicella		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/04/open-thread-5-4-23/#comment-2678399</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oligonicella]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2023 20:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brian E --  But was it forced-forced?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian E &#8212;  But was it forced-forced?</p>
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		By: Brian E		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/04/open-thread-5-4-23/#comment-2678394</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2023 19:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t one of the women accusing Trump of forcefully kissing her against her will? I guess that&#039;s some sort of sexual assault, but hardly rape-- unless the left gets to redefine words at will.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t one of the women accusing Trump of forcefully kissing her against her will? I guess that&#8217;s some sort of sexual assault, but hardly rape&#8211; unless the left gets to redefine words at will.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/04/open-thread-5-4-23/#comment-2678393</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2023 19:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I’m seeing it reported that our crack VP—straight off of her wild successes in managing our border situation—has now been given the task of managing the extremely  consequential AI issue.

Obviously this issue will now be in the best of hands.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m seeing it reported that our crack VP—straight off of her wild successes in managing our border situation—has now been given the task of managing the extremely  consequential AI issue.</p>
<p>Obviously this issue will now be in the best of hands.</p>
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		By: stan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/05/04/open-thread-5-4-23/#comment-2678391</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2023 19:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kate, yes. Every witness is revealed and has to be made available for deposition.  Each party has the opportunity to discover all documents and other exhibits. There really shouldn&#039;t be any surprises unless someone changes the story they told under oath when deposed. And then the deposition is used to discredit the changed testimony.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate, yes. Every witness is revealed and has to be made available for deposition.  Each party has the opportunity to discover all documents and other exhibits. There really shouldn&#8217;t be any surprises unless someone changes the story they told under oath when deposed. And then the deposition is used to discredit the changed testimony.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2023 19:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am extremely suspicious of allegations that surface years or decades after the alleged offenses, but I suppose a New York civil jury may not be. Do civil trials require notice of witnesses beforehand, like criminal trials?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am extremely suspicious of allegations that surface years or decades after the alleged offenses, but I suppose a New York civil jury may not be. Do civil trials require notice of witnesses beforehand, like criminal trials?</p>
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		By: stan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2023 19:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The liars willing to accuse Kavanaugh were legion. They were treated as heroes by the Democrats. Their lies and slanders were never punished.

The financial and emotional gains from accusing Trump are large. The downside is zero. Or rather positive. The lawyers&#039; fees and costs are paid by Democrat billionaire pedophiles and they are heroes even if they lose.

If there were such a thing as a moral Democrat, they would be disgusted. But there are no longer such things because they got so disgusted they are no longer Democrats.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The liars willing to accuse Kavanaugh were legion. They were treated as heroes by the Democrats. Their lies and slanders were never punished.</p>
<p>The financial and emotional gains from accusing Trump are large. The downside is zero. Or rather positive. The lawyers&#8217; fees and costs are paid by Democrat billionaire pedophiles and they are heroes even if they lose.</p>
<p>If there were such a thing as a moral Democrat, they would be disgusted. But there are no longer such things because they got so disgusted they are no longer Democrats.</p>
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