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		By: Ben David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben David]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[The WSJ article posted by Mike Plaiss was a pretty good summary - although it gives the &quot;liberal&quot; Left a pass in many areas. In sentences like this he simply repeats the self-flattering potted history of the Labor Establishment:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Israel emerged with one army under a single command, loyal to the state. This unity, achieved via the ruthlessness of the moderates and the restraint of the extremists, allowed the country to develop the social solidarity to hold off repeated invasions, integrate hundreds of thousands of refugees, liberate Jerusalem and stand firm against terrorism—all while flourishing as a democracy. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Stirring, but false. 
The vast majority of Israeli Jews did not come to Israel to exchange their Jewish faith and morality for a Marxist utopian dream. The socialists - always political critters at their core - were the extremists, and they grabbed power ruthlessly. Their repeated betrayal and murder of fellow Jews broke a natural taboo deepened by centuries of oppression.

The Left&#039;s condescension and racism towards other Jewish groups - combined with pursuit of Leftie kumbaya political fantasies in a very dangerous neighborhood - has led to their demise. Israelis were raised on the Establishment&#039;s self-serving myths (some of them repeated in the WSJ article) - but have been &quot;red pilled&quot; and grown disenchanted over the years. 

The current Leftie efforts to block basic, obvious judicial reforms betray their total lack of commitment to the fundamental social covenants of Democracy. It has always been about power and ideology for them. This is now clearer than ever to a majority of Israelis.

It is most telling that the Lefties imported a contingent of &quot;Handmaid&#039;s Tale&quot; protesters in bonnets and red robes... They are desperately trying to distract people from their own lack of scruples by screeching that without them, Israel will become a benighted theocracy.

But without them Israel will just become freer - as it became more economically free under the Likud - and more democratic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The WSJ article posted by Mike Plaiss was a pretty good summary &#8211; although it gives the &#8220;liberal&#8221; Left a pass in many areas. In sentences like this he simply repeats the self-flattering potted history of the Labor Establishment:</p>
<blockquote><p>Israel emerged with one army under a single command, loyal to the state. This unity, achieved via the ruthlessness of the moderates and the restraint of the extremists, allowed the country to develop the social solidarity to hold off repeated invasions, integrate hundreds of thousands of refugees, liberate Jerusalem and stand firm against terrorism—all while flourishing as a democracy. </p></blockquote>
<p>Stirring, but false.<br />
The vast majority of Israeli Jews did not come to Israel to exchange their Jewish faith and morality for a Marxist utopian dream. The socialists &#8211; always political critters at their core &#8211; were the extremists, and they grabbed power ruthlessly. Their repeated betrayal and murder of fellow Jews broke a natural taboo deepened by centuries of oppression.</p>
<p>The Left&#8217;s condescension and racism towards other Jewish groups &#8211; combined with pursuit of Leftie kumbaya political fantasies in a very dangerous neighborhood &#8211; has led to their demise. Israelis were raised on the Establishment&#8217;s self-serving myths (some of them repeated in the WSJ article) &#8211; but have been &#8220;red pilled&#8221; and grown disenchanted over the years. </p>
<p>The current Leftie efforts to block basic, obvious judicial reforms betray their total lack of commitment to the fundamental social covenants of Democracy. It has always been about power and ideology for them. This is now clearer than ever to a majority of Israelis.</p>
<p>It is most telling that the Lefties imported a contingent of &#8220;Handmaid&#8217;s Tale&#8221; protesters in bonnets and red robes&#8230; They are desperately trying to distract people from their own lack of scruples by screeching that without them, Israel will become a benighted theocracy.</p>
<p>But without them Israel will just become freer &#8211; as it became more economically free under the Likud &#8211; and more democratic.</p>
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		By: Cicero		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cicero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2023 17:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo: &quot;Palestinians are highly adept at propaganda&quot;.
Their propaganda goes worldwide by cooperative media to ignorant people with stupid ideas, like &#039;All Jews love money&#039;, or &#039;The Jews stole land owned by Muslims to establish Israel&#039;. One does not have to be highly adept to fool ignorant fools. The ignorance of Western civilization foretells its demise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo: &#8220;Palestinians are highly adept at propaganda&#8221;.<br />
Their propaganda goes worldwide by cooperative media to ignorant people with stupid ideas, like &#8216;All Jews love money&#8217;, or &#8216;The Jews stole land owned by Muslims to establish Israel&#8217;. One does not have to be highly adept to fool ignorant fools. The ignorance of Western civilization foretells its demise.</p>
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		By: Sharon W		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sharon W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2023 17:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly--agreed.  Perhaps some embrace the erroneous replacement theology. Or it can just be the numerous false shepherds that exist (and have always existed) in the Body. We are very close to a wonderful priest from Nigeria who has been &quot;on loan&quot; to the USA for the last 20 or so years. What is going on there is horrible and you do not hear much about it at all. Regarding other issues, this priest has pointed out to me the parable of the wheat and the tares referring to the Kingdom of God.  The day will come when the tares are removed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rufus T. Firefly&#8211;agreed.  Perhaps some embrace the erroneous replacement theology. Or it can just be the numerous false shepherds that exist (and have always existed) in the Body. We are very close to a wonderful priest from Nigeria who has been &#8220;on loan&#8221; to the USA for the last 20 or so years. What is going on there is horrible and you do not hear much about it at all. Regarding other issues, this priest has pointed out to me the parable of the wheat and the tares referring to the Kingdom of God.  The day will come when the tares are removed.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2023 17:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was very disappointed in the Catholic church&#039;s lack of reaction to the anti-Christian pogroms in the middle east in the past two decades. As always, there were heroic individuals doing great work, and also independent, Catholic groups, but the Vatican and Church leaders were all too often silent and did almost nothing to assist the centuries old communities driven out, or worse, martyred.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was very disappointed in the Catholic church&#8217;s lack of reaction to the anti-Christian pogroms in the middle east in the past two decades. As always, there were heroic individuals doing great work, and also independent, Catholic groups, but the Vatican and Church leaders were all too often silent and did almost nothing to assist the centuries old communities driven out, or worse, martyred.</p>
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		By: ghostsniper		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ghostsniper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2023 17:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Abraxas said:
Anybody who comments on the Middle East risks being caught up in the propaganda of one side or the other.
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There ya go, twas ever thus it seems. No matter your stance you run the risk of being slammed. I stay out of it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abraxas said:<br />
Anybody who comments on the Middle East risks being caught up in the propaganda of one side or the other.<br />
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<p>There ya go, twas ever thus it seems. No matter your stance you run the risk of being slammed. I stay out of it.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2023 16:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Of course he isn&#039;t, Neo. Nor are his news and commentary sources.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course he isn&#8217;t, Neo. Nor are his news and commentary sources.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/04/25/melanie-phillips-on-israels-remembrance-day/#comment-2677403</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2023 16:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kate:

Yes, but &quot;bob sykes&quot; is not interested in promoting the survival of Israel.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate:</p>
<p>Yes, but &#8220;bob sykes&#8221; is not interested in promoting the survival of Israel.</p>
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		By: Sharon W		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/04/25/melanie-phillips-on-israels-remembrance-day/#comment-2677399</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sharon W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2023 16:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Our one and only trip to Israel was in 2018, arriving on the Day of Remembrance and there for Israel&#039;s 70th anniversary.  Truly a &quot;pilgrimage&quot;, not just a trip. Though we are Catholic, we traveled with our son&#039;s in-laws, Pastors of an evangelical church, with 38 other people.  The manner in which the Jewish people celebrate such occasions was truly &quot;other than&quot;. So respectful--restaurants closed, television only airing programming honoring the subject--public, nationwide moments of silence.  And great festivities for the Independence, beginning at evening, throughout the night and all-day in the parks the next day. For our day in Bethlehem, our guide, an orthodox Jew, could not be with us so we were handed off to a Muslim guide of that area.  We ate at a wonderful restaurant and shopped in a lovely shop, both owned by Christians.  The Christian presence is much diminished from years past.  Years ago I read Charles Sennott&#039;s book, The Body and the Blood: The Middle East&#039;s Vanishing Christians and the Possibility for Peace. It was an excellent read and I think still pertinent today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our one and only trip to Israel was in 2018, arriving on the Day of Remembrance and there for Israel&#8217;s 70th anniversary.  Truly a &#8220;pilgrimage&#8221;, not just a trip. Though we are Catholic, we traveled with our son&#8217;s in-laws, Pastors of an evangelical church, with 38 other people.  The manner in which the Jewish people celebrate such occasions was truly &#8220;other than&#8221;. So respectful&#8211;restaurants closed, television only airing programming honoring the subject&#8211;public, nationwide moments of silence.  And great festivities for the Independence, beginning at evening, throughout the night and all-day in the parks the next day. For our day in Bethlehem, our guide, an orthodox Jew, could not be with us so we were handed off to a Muslim guide of that area.  We ate at a wonderful restaurant and shopped in a lovely shop, both owned by Christians.  The Christian presence is much diminished from years past.  Years ago I read Charles Sennott&#8217;s book, The Body and the Blood: The Middle East&#8217;s Vanishing Christians and the Possibility for Peace. It was an excellent read and I think still pertinent today.</p>
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		By: Abraxas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abraxas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2023 16:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anybody who comments on the Middle East risks being caught up in the propaganda of one side or the other.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody who comments on the Middle East risks being caught up in the propaganda of one side or the other.</p>
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		By: charles		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2023 15:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kate: &lt;i&gt;&quot;Jews who used to live in Egypt, families who had been in Egypt for many generations, were evicted following the establishment of the State of Israel. I visited the historic medieval synagogue in Old Cairo, but there are no Jews there to pray in it.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Thank you Kate - When I hear people talk about the &quot;right to return&quot; in reference to Palestinians &quot;kicked out of&quot; Israel; I say &quot;sure, let&#039;s support the right to return, but make sure that it is a &lt;b&gt;2-way&lt;/b&gt; street.&quot;  In other words, the right to return (or financial compensation) shouldn&#039;t just be about Palestinians who fled Israel but also Jews who fled across the Middle East, and elsewhere, to the safety of Israel.

There is also a reason why there are no Jewish refugee camps like there are Palestinian refugee camps in that the neighboring Arab countries, despite all the clamoring for the Palestinians, don&#039;t really care enough to help take them in; Israel did and continues to take in Jewish refugees where ever they come from. These refugees to Israel become viable, integral, welcomed members of Israeli society.  The Israeli attitude is very much a &quot;whatever you have been through, where ever you have come from, you are home now. Welcome home!&quot;

Aside from Jordan, the neighboring countries won&#039;t do the same for Palestinian refugees.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate: <i>&#8220;Jews who used to live in Egypt, families who had been in Egypt for many generations, were evicted following the establishment of the State of Israel. I visited the historic medieval synagogue in Old Cairo, but there are no Jews there to pray in it.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Thank you Kate &#8211; When I hear people talk about the &#8220;right to return&#8221; in reference to Palestinians &#8220;kicked out of&#8221; Israel; I say &#8220;sure, let&#8217;s support the right to return, but make sure that it is a <b>2-way</b> street.&#8221;  In other words, the right to return (or financial compensation) shouldn&#8217;t just be about Palestinians who fled Israel but also Jews who fled across the Middle East, and elsewhere, to the safety of Israel.</p>
<p>There is also a reason why there are no Jewish refugee camps like there are Palestinian refugee camps in that the neighboring Arab countries, despite all the clamoring for the Palestinians, don&#8217;t really care enough to help take them in; Israel did and continues to take in Jewish refugees where ever they come from. These refugees to Israel become viable, integral, welcomed members of Israeli society.  The Israeli attitude is very much a &#8220;whatever you have been through, where ever you have come from, you are home now. Welcome home!&#8221;</p>
<p>Aside from Jordan, the neighboring countries won&#8217;t do the same for Palestinian refugees.</p>
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