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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/04/03/ssris-and-violence/#comment-2674390</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[MAH:

Those articles over-define and over-diagnose autism.  Most of these people have some social problems, and some are psychopaths, but neither thing is autism.  The Sandy Hook killer was apparently autistic (Asperger&#039;s), but most of the other diagnoses are very iffy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MAH:</p>
<p>Those articles over-define and over-diagnose autism.  Most of these people have some social problems, and some are psychopaths, but neither thing is autism.  The Sandy Hook killer was apparently autistic (Asperger&#8217;s), but most of the other diagnoses are very iffy.</p>
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		By: MAH		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/04/03/ssris-and-violence/#comment-2674349</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2023 22:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is an overlooked aspect to some of the mass shootings:  autism.  In fact, there was a scholarly piece by researchers in Sweden and Scotland a few years ago highlighting this linkage (https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2016-61678-005; also see https://www.intechopen.com/chapters/47518).  The researchers in the first paper used the Mother Jones data base of mass shootings to do their analysis. 

Think of Anders Breivik (Norway), Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook), Dylan Roof (Charleston), Seung-Hui-Cho (Virginia Tech), Nikolas Cruz (Marjory Stoneman), Dylan Klebold and Erik Harris (Columbine).  All diagnosed with autism or strongly suspected of being on the spectrum.  And, now Audrey Hale.

There is an interesting link between autism and transgenderism, too.  Even NPR did a piece on this:  https://www.npr.org/2023/01/15.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an overlooked aspect to some of the mass shootings:  autism.  In fact, there was a scholarly piece by researchers in Sweden and Scotland a few years ago highlighting this linkage (<a href="https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2016-61678-005" rel="nofollow ugc">https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2016-61678-005</a>; also see <a href="https://www.intechopen.com/chapters/47518" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.intechopen.com/chapters/47518</a>).  The researchers in the first paper used the Mother Jones data base of mass shootings to do their analysis. </p>
<p>Think of Anders Breivik (Norway), Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook), Dylan Roof (Charleston), Seung-Hui-Cho (Virginia Tech), Nikolas Cruz (Marjory Stoneman), Dylan Klebold and Erik Harris (Columbine).  All diagnosed with autism or strongly suspected of being on the spectrum.  And, now Audrey Hale.</p>
<p>There is an interesting link between autism and transgenderism, too.  Even NPR did a piece on this:  <a href="https://www.npr.org/2023/01/15" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.npr.org/2023/01/15</a>.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/04/03/ssris-and-violence/#comment-2674308</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2023 19:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lee:

The later research - links and excerpts in my post - strongly indicates that there is no effect of SSRIs on actual violent &lt;i&gt;acts&lt;/i&gt; by young people, and there is a decrease in older people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee:</p>
<p>The later research &#8211; links and excerpts in my post &#8211; strongly indicates that there is no effect of SSRIs on actual violent <i>acts</i> by young people, and there is a decrease in older people.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/04/03/ssris-and-violence/#comment-2674305</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2023 18:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And of course there are diseases and afflictions that have no obvious symotoms (that old body not telling you anything is agley) such as glaucoma, the low intraoccular pressure variety.   

The dose makes the poison.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And of course there are diseases and afflictions that have no obvious symotoms (that old body not telling you anything is agley) such as glaucoma, the low intraoccular pressure variety.   </p>
<p>The dose makes the poison.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/04/03/ssris-and-violence/#comment-2674303</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2023 18:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Shock, chamomile tea contains &quot;chemicals and molecules&quot; as do drugs. 

The dose makes the poison.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shock, chamomile tea contains &#8220;chemicals and molecules&#8221; as do drugs. </p>
<p>The dose makes the poison.</p>
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		By: Lee		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/04/03/ssris-and-violence/#comment-2674297</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2023 17:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is not just &quot;an internet meme&quot;--it&#039;s been well known in the medical community since the day SSRIs were cleared by FDA--?forty years ago now?-- that SSRIs cause violent ideation. (I assumed there was a black box warning.)  
Patients are to be carefully monitored when the drugs are begun, particularly for self-violence.

https://www.peoplespharmacy.com/articles/antidepressants-and-thoughts-of-suicide-were-your-warned
 
There is a study where SSRIs were given non-psych patients (students) , and the violent ideation occurs in them as well.


NO psychotropic drugs have ever been tested for long term use---
and it&#039;s starting to be noticed that  it appears they &quot;rot your brain&quot; when used for extended periods of time--early dementia.

Far more effective in treating depression than ANY drug---moving outdoors. 
Early in the day, even better.  Push yourself if getting up is a problem.



https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/the-decades-of-evidence-that-antidepressants

https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/the-evidence-for-antidepressants


https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/how-the-fda-buried-the-dangers-of?utm_source=substack&#038;utm_campaign=post_embed&#038;utm_medium=web]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not just &#8220;an internet meme&#8221;&#8211;it&#8217;s been well known in the medical community since the day SSRIs were cleared by FDA&#8211;?forty years ago now?&#8211; that SSRIs cause violent ideation. (I assumed there was a black box warning.)<br />
Patients are to be carefully monitored when the drugs are begun, particularly for self-violence.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.peoplespharmacy.com/articles/antidepressants-and-thoughts-of-suicide-were-your-warned" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.peoplespharmacy.com/articles/antidepressants-and-thoughts-of-suicide-were-your-warned</a></p>
<p>There is a study where SSRIs were given non-psych patients (students) , and the violent ideation occurs in them as well.</p>
<p>NO psychotropic drugs have ever been tested for long term use&#8212;<br />
and it&#8217;s starting to be noticed that  it appears they &#8220;rot your brain&#8221; when used for extended periods of time&#8211;early dementia.</p>
<p>Far more effective in treating depression than ANY drug&#8212;moving outdoors.<br />
Early in the day, even better.  Push yourself if getting up is a problem.</p>
<p><a href="https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/the-decades-of-evidence-that-antidepressants" rel="nofollow ugc">https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/the-decades-of-evidence-that-antidepressants</a></p>
<p><a href="https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/the-evidence-for-antidepressants" rel="nofollow ugc">https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/the-evidence-for-antidepressants</a></p>
<p><a href="https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/how-the-fda-buried-the-dangers-of?utm_source=substack&#038;utm_campaign=post_embed&#038;utm_medium=web" rel="nofollow ugc">https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/how-the-fda-buried-the-dangers-of?utm_source=substack&#038;utm_campaign=post_embed&#038;utm_medium=web</a></p>
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		By: Sharon W		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/04/03/ssris-and-violence/#comment-2674292</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2023 17:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;For as long as I remember I have been very hesitant to take any medication (I do take vitamins). I don’t know where it came from, but my thought has always been: symptoms are the body and mind’s way of telling one something is wrong. Masking them is likely not the optimal solution, and may delay one’s investigation into the root cause.&quot;

Me too.  I grew up in a family of 5. The aspirin bottle was routinely discarded for expiration with almost all the aspirins in it. This was carried into my adulthood. I never gave my children anything for an upset stomach except chamomile tea. I still use it and make sure I have it in my travel bag, just in case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For as long as I remember I have been very hesitant to take any medication (I do take vitamins). I don’t know where it came from, but my thought has always been: symptoms are the body and mind’s way of telling one something is wrong. Masking them is likely not the optimal solution, and may delay one’s investigation into the root cause.&#8221;</p>
<p>Me too.  I grew up in a family of 5. The aspirin bottle was routinely discarded for expiration with almost all the aspirins in it. This was carried into my adulthood. I never gave my children anything for an upset stomach except chamomile tea. I still use it and make sure I have it in my travel bag, just in case.</p>
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		By: Mitchell Strand		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/04/03/ssris-and-violence/#comment-2674270</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2023 15:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We keep talking about biology and brain science, probably because those usually give us answers in other areas, like medicine, which is extending life, which we value.

The problem with mass shooters is most people consider their actions inexplicable, so we fall back on the things which provide us understanding, but those things still can&#039;t make us understand.

The ultimate simple reason why mass shooters do what they do is: they want to kill people and they no longer care if their spree ends with their death.

But where does that come from? Well, for whatever reason (traumatic childhood, broken family, lack of discipline or care from parents, bullying, or an inability to cope with the usual slings and arrows of life), these people first hate themselves, but unlike most people who hate themselves, they also take the next step of hating existence. They wish they had never been born. And when they see other people getting by, doing well, enjoying their existence, the hate becomes focused outward, too. How dare other people like the thing causing me so much pain. The resentment leads to the plan to punish the love of existence, and what&#039;s the best way to do that? Not just to kill yourself, but to kill other people as well, as many as you can, to cause as much pain to others as you feel yourself, to make them see how terrible existence is. And what kind of killing maximizes other people&#039;s pain? Killing children. Not only do you destroy the happiness of their entire family, but you also hurt everybody who values the lives of children. It&#039;s a psychic wound to society when children are murdered, because they&#039;re innocent. 

Their innocence is the point of murdering them. It maximizes the pain the shooter can cause. It maximizes disillusionment and anguish, which is what they want to do. If they die only minutes later, they have those few minutes of knowing how much pain they&#039;ve caused. 

Mass shootings are a not a strike by the perpetrators at individual lives, but at life itself, at existence. Brain chemistry will never explain it, why some choose to hate existence and then act on that hatred.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We keep talking about biology and brain science, probably because those usually give us answers in other areas, like medicine, which is extending life, which we value.</p>
<p>The problem with mass shooters is most people consider their actions inexplicable, so we fall back on the things which provide us understanding, but those things still can&#8217;t make us understand.</p>
<p>The ultimate simple reason why mass shooters do what they do is: they want to kill people and they no longer care if their spree ends with their death.</p>
<p>But where does that come from? Well, for whatever reason (traumatic childhood, broken family, lack of discipline or care from parents, bullying, or an inability to cope with the usual slings and arrows of life), these people first hate themselves, but unlike most people who hate themselves, they also take the next step of hating existence. They wish they had never been born. And when they see other people getting by, doing well, enjoying their existence, the hate becomes focused outward, too. How dare other people like the thing causing me so much pain. The resentment leads to the plan to punish the love of existence, and what&#8217;s the best way to do that? Not just to kill yourself, but to kill other people as well, as many as you can, to cause as much pain to others as you feel yourself, to make them see how terrible existence is. And what kind of killing maximizes other people&#8217;s pain? Killing children. Not only do you destroy the happiness of their entire family, but you also hurt everybody who values the lives of children. It&#8217;s a psychic wound to society when children are murdered, because they&#8217;re innocent. </p>
<p>Their innocence is the point of murdering them. It maximizes the pain the shooter can cause. It maximizes disillusionment and anguish, which is what they want to do. If they die only minutes later, they have those few minutes of knowing how much pain they&#8217;ve caused. </p>
<p>Mass shootings are a not a strike by the perpetrators at individual lives, but at life itself, at existence. Brain chemistry will never explain it, why some choose to hate existence and then act on that hatred.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/04/03/ssris-and-violence/#comment-2674258</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2023 14:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tennessee is taking steps to put an armed officer in every public school, and to provide funding for private schools to hire guards as well, at their option. The Nashville shooter, the police say, chose this Christian school because a couple of other targets she considered had too much security, that is, someone who could shoot back.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tennessee is taking steps to put an armed officer in every public school, and to provide funding for private schools to hire guards as well, at their option. The Nashville shooter, the police say, chose this Christian school because a couple of other targets she considered had too much security, that is, someone who could shoot back.</p>
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		By: JohnTyler		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2023 14:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Every time there is a school shooting the discussion quickly turns to why the shooter did what he did, how he got into the school, what kind of gun(s) were used, what was the police reaction, and now, if you can F&#039;n believe it or not, what is the &quot;proper&quot; noun to describe the gender of the killer (as if anyone with a modicum of humanity and empathy for the REAL VICTIMS could give a sh*t). 

Little to no discussion at all as to the best way to place armed guards or other armed individuals in every school which certainly would minimize (and maybe even prevent) school shootings. 
How often do you hear of a shooter - even one seeking &quot;suicide by cop&quot; - enter a police station and begin shooting up the place? 
Mass killers ALWAYS choose places where there is little to no chance of encountering an armed guard. I don&#039;t think this is a coincidence.  

And the mental state of the shooter seems to not be an impediment in the shooter&#039;s ability to obtain any/all weapons he needs. 
Yep, the shooter has mental problems - which caused him to shoot up a school - but his mental / thinking skills work just fine in finding a way to obtain the guns he will use to murder school kids. (Recall the nut-job who shot up a movie theater in Colorado some years back.)

As for those claiming that outlawing guns (or certain types of guns) would solve the problem, I refer you to existing drug laws. 
For those interested,  here is a chart of drug overdose death rates from 1999 to 2019 see here:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db394.htm

People will have all sorts of reasons to engage in school shootings and talking about their causes is a waste of time. 
The only solution is to have armed guards / personnel at every school and how best to achieve and implement this should be the main point of discussion. 

I am simply baffled why this is not the case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time there is a school shooting the discussion quickly turns to why the shooter did what he did, how he got into the school, what kind of gun(s) were used, what was the police reaction, and now, if you can F&#8217;n believe it or not, what is the &#8220;proper&#8221; noun to describe the gender of the killer (as if anyone with a modicum of humanity and empathy for the REAL VICTIMS could give a sh*t). </p>
<p>Little to no discussion at all as to the best way to place armed guards or other armed individuals in every school which certainly would minimize (and maybe even prevent) school shootings.<br />
How often do you hear of a shooter &#8211; even one seeking &#8220;suicide by cop&#8221; &#8211; enter a police station and begin shooting up the place?<br />
Mass killers ALWAYS choose places where there is little to no chance of encountering an armed guard. I don&#8217;t think this is a coincidence.  </p>
<p>And the mental state of the shooter seems to not be an impediment in the shooter&#8217;s ability to obtain any/all weapons he needs.<br />
Yep, the shooter has mental problems &#8211; which caused him to shoot up a school &#8211; but his mental / thinking skills work just fine in finding a way to obtain the guns he will use to murder school kids. (Recall the nut-job who shot up a movie theater in Colorado some years back.)</p>
<p>As for those claiming that outlawing guns (or certain types of guns) would solve the problem, I refer you to existing drug laws.<br />
For those interested,  here is a chart of drug overdose death rates from 1999 to 2019 see here:<br />
<a href="https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db394.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db394.htm</a></p>
<p>People will have all sorts of reasons to engage in school shootings and talking about their causes is a waste of time.<br />
The only solution is to have armed guards / personnel at every school and how best to achieve and implement this should be the main point of discussion. </p>
<p>I am simply baffled why this is not the case.</p>
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