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		By: TR		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Mar 2023 16:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[After looking at the information that I have, I&#039;m going to stick with my original comment. 
 No slight meant to anyone, but, I personally know the person who told me about the properties of uranium-235. He is a professional scientist, + his scientific knowledge is extensive. I have to go with his viewpoint on the uranium in Libya.
 I have to go with the knowledge from the people that I know from off of the web.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After looking at the information that I have, I&#8217;m going to stick with my original comment.<br />
 No slight meant to anyone, but, I personally know the person who told me about the properties of uranium-235. He is a professional scientist, + his scientific knowledge is extensive. I have to go with his viewpoint on the uranium in Libya.<br />
 I have to go with the knowledge from the people that I know from off of the web.</p>
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		By: TR		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2023 22:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi om,

 Thanks for the link.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi om,</p>
<p> Thanks for the link.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/03/16/open-thread-3-16-23/#comment-2671472</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2023 17:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TR:

Here is some related information and analysis about the Libyan uranium and how &quot;we&quot; got here:

https://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2023/03/12-years-untold-misery-no-accountability.html

BHO, HRC, and Brandon of course.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TR:</p>
<p>Here is some related information and analysis about the Libyan uranium and how &#8220;we&#8221; got here:</p>
<p><a href="https://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2023/03/12-years-untold-misery-no-accountability.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2023/03/12-years-untold-misery-no-accountability.html</a></p>
<p>BHO, HRC, and Brandon of course.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2023 05:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi om,
 Cool. Thanks for the info. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi om,<br />
 Cool. Thanks for the info. 🙂</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2023 03:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TR:

Lybia gave up it&#039;s nuclear weapons program under Kydaffi IIRC.  That uranium was for the canceled program IIRC.  Syria had a program.  Pakistan succeeded with its nuclear weapons program as did North Korea, remember?  Iran has its own program going strong right now.  The nuclear weapons genie is out of the bottle.  But other programs are more practical to non-nation states. IIRC weapons capable of causing multitudes of civilian deaths, what was the phrase (?), were a national concern in the early years if this century for some reason.

Must have been those merchants of death.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TR:</p>
<p>Lybia gave up it&#8217;s nuclear weapons program under Kydaffi IIRC.  That uranium was for the canceled program IIRC.  Syria had a program.  Pakistan succeeded with its nuclear weapons program as did North Korea, remember?  Iran has its own program going strong right now.  The nuclear weapons genie is out of the bottle.  But other programs are more practical to non-nation states. IIRC weapons capable of causing multitudes of civilian deaths, what was the phrase (?), were a national concern in the early years if this century for some reason.</p>
<p>Must have been those merchants of death.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2023 02:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Pa+Cat,

 *snnrrrk*  Bwa Ha Ha Ha!

 Thanks for the info on the morning glory seeds, but- I think I&#039;ll strongly avoid [that] type of recreation. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pa+Cat,</p>
<p> *snnrrrk*  Bwa Ha Ha Ha!</p>
<p> Thanks for the info on the morning glory seeds, but- I think I&#8217;ll strongly avoid [that] type of recreation. 🙂</p>
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		By: PA+Cat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2023 02:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TR--

Did you ever try chewing morning glory seeds? They were supposed to be a safe alternative to LSD, but most users got little from them except nausea and diarrhea.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TR&#8211;</p>
<p>Did you ever try chewing morning glory seeds? They were supposed to be a safe alternative to LSD, but most users got little from them except nausea and diarrhea.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2023 02:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Pa+Cat, 

 I like the trivia about the drug-substitutes that don&#039;t work. 

 In my high school + grade schools the fabled, pot or cocaine substitute, was: frying banana skins.

 (I guess you fry the skins, then try to smoke them like joints.)

 Friends of mine who tried it, tell me it doesn&#039;t work. 
 I didn&#039;t try it, myself. Frying banana skins would probably smell-up my family&#039;s house + get me caught. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pa+Cat, </p>
<p> I like the trivia about the drug-substitutes that don&#8217;t work. </p>
<p> In my high school + grade schools the fabled, pot or cocaine substitute, was: frying banana skins.</p>
<p> (I guess you fry the skins, then try to smoke them like joints.)</p>
<p> Friends of mine who tried it, tell me it doesn&#8217;t work.<br />
 I didn&#8217;t try it, myself. Frying banana skins would probably smell-up my family&#8217;s house + get me caught. 🙂</p>
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		By: PA+Cat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2023 02:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kate--

Kids have been using all kinds of weird things to get high since the glory days of the counterculture; I can remember when ER docs used to see hippies who had mixed a full can of powdered nutmeg in a glass of milk and drank the stuff expecting to have an LSD-type experience. Then there were kids who huffed glue, nail polish remover, canned air (gas dusters), freon from air conditioners, and other inhalants. The manufacturers of the canned air used to clean out computers eventually had to add a bitterant to their product to discourage kids from huffing it.

A summary of the medical consequences of inhalant abuse can be found here: https://americanaddictioncenters.org/inhalant-abuse/side-effects

One must add that the nineteenth-century medical profession set the first bad example of substance abuse: ether frolics, in which medical students would get together of an evening to inhale ether and laugh at one another as they fell off the stage of the lecture hall or babble unintelligibly. In fact, Crawford Long, the first American surgeon to use ether as an anesthetic (1842), got the idea to do so because he had participated in ether frolics in medical school.

One last note: As &#039;tis the eve of St. Patrick&#039;s Day, we should remember the ether-drinking craze in Ireland that started in the late 1840s in response to people taking &quot;the pledge&quot; to abstain from alcohol. A doctor in County Derry discovered that one could get pleasantly drunk on ether while abstaining from demon rum, so he started dispensing ether to his patients and friends as a way to obtain the pleasures of alcohol without violating &quot;the pledge.&quot;

From an article on the Irish ether craze: &quot;Ether drinking spread rapidly throughout Ireland, particularly in the North, and the substance soon could be purchased from grocers, druggists, publicans, and even traveling salesmen. Because ether was produced in bulk for certain industrial uses, it could also be obtained quite inexpensively. Its low price and rapid action meant than even the poorest could afford to get drunk several times a day on it. By the 1880s ether, distilled in England or Scotland, was being imported and widely distributed to even the smallest villages.&quot;

The stuff had its downsides, though: &quot;These include a truly awful smell and taste, coupled with a strong burning sensation while the foul stuff is going down. Plus, it makes you drool like a Saint Bernard dog on a hot summer day, not to mention stimulating truly monumental burps and farts. These aren’t normal emissions—they are laden with highly flammable ether vapors. You can imagine what happened when an ether drinker would light up a pipe and belch or sit down by an open fire and break wind. Severe burns at either end of the alimentary canal were a common hazard.&quot;

Full article here: http://davidlinden.org/blog/the-irish-ether-drinking.html     

Maybe the author will follow up with an article on the abuse of embalming fluid!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate&#8211;</p>
<p>Kids have been using all kinds of weird things to get high since the glory days of the counterculture; I can remember when ER docs used to see hippies who had mixed a full can of powdered nutmeg in a glass of milk and drank the stuff expecting to have an LSD-type experience. Then there were kids who huffed glue, nail polish remover, canned air (gas dusters), freon from air conditioners, and other inhalants. The manufacturers of the canned air used to clean out computers eventually had to add a bitterant to their product to discourage kids from huffing it.</p>
<p>A summary of the medical consequences of inhalant abuse can be found here: <a href="https://americanaddictioncenters.org/inhalant-abuse/side-effects" rel="nofollow ugc">https://americanaddictioncenters.org/inhalant-abuse/side-effects</a></p>
<p>One must add that the nineteenth-century medical profession set the first bad example of substance abuse: ether frolics, in which medical students would get together of an evening to inhale ether and laugh at one another as they fell off the stage of the lecture hall or babble unintelligibly. In fact, Crawford Long, the first American surgeon to use ether as an anesthetic (1842), got the idea to do so because he had participated in ether frolics in medical school.</p>
<p>One last note: As &#8217;tis the eve of St. Patrick&#8217;s Day, we should remember the ether-drinking craze in Ireland that started in the late 1840s in response to people taking &#8220;the pledge&#8221; to abstain from alcohol. A doctor in County Derry discovered that one could get pleasantly drunk on ether while abstaining from demon rum, so he started dispensing ether to his patients and friends as a way to obtain the pleasures of alcohol without violating &#8220;the pledge.&#8221;</p>
<p>From an article on the Irish ether craze: &#8220;Ether drinking spread rapidly throughout Ireland, particularly in the North, and the substance soon could be purchased from grocers, druggists, publicans, and even traveling salesmen. Because ether was produced in bulk for certain industrial uses, it could also be obtained quite inexpensively. Its low price and rapid action meant than even the poorest could afford to get drunk several times a day on it. By the 1880s ether, distilled in England or Scotland, was being imported and widely distributed to even the smallest villages.&#8221;</p>
<p>The stuff had its downsides, though: &#8220;These include a truly awful smell and taste, coupled with a strong burning sensation while the foul stuff is going down. Plus, it makes you drool like a Saint Bernard dog on a hot summer day, not to mention stimulating truly monumental burps and farts. These aren’t normal emissions—they are laden with highly flammable ether vapors. You can imagine what happened when an ether drinker would light up a pipe and belch or sit down by an open fire and break wind. Severe burns at either end of the alimentary canal were a common hazard.&#8221;</p>
<p>Full article here: <a href="http://davidlinden.org/blog/the-irish-ether-drinking.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://davidlinden.org/blog/the-irish-ether-drinking.html</a>     </p>
<p>Maybe the author will follow up with an article on the abuse of embalming fluid!</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2023 01:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi om,

 Yes, those points are true. I have heard that natural uranium can be made into weapons-grade uranium.
 But, as far as I know- Libya, [and any low budget terrorist groups that might get or steal the natural uranium, like Al-Qaeda, Isis, and AQ&#039;s + Isis&#039; friends], don&#039;t have the high-level scientists, or the high-level technology, to make the natural uranium into: nuclear-weapons-grade uranium, +/or uranium-235.

 When the Libyan governments, or anyone in Libya, or...[not to put Libya in a bad light]...the terrorist groups I&#039;ve mentioned, get: [the needed...high-level scientists] and [the needed...high-level technology] for that job, then I&#039;ll be concerned about the possible, weapons making by those groups.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi om,</p>
<p> Yes, those points are true. I have heard that natural uranium can be made into weapons-grade uranium.<br />
 But, as far as I know- Libya, [and any low budget terrorist groups that might get or steal the natural uranium, like Al-Qaeda, Isis, and AQ&#8217;s + Isis&#8217; friends], don&#8217;t have the high-level scientists, or the high-level technology, to make the natural uranium into: nuclear-weapons-grade uranium, +/or uranium-235.</p>
<p> When the Libyan governments, or anyone in Libya, or&#8230;[not to put Libya in a bad light]&#8230;the terrorist groups I&#8217;ve mentioned, get: [the needed&#8230;high-level scientists] and [the needed&#8230;high-level technology] for that job, then I&#8217;ll be concerned about the possible, weapons making by those groups.</p>
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