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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Rufus &#062; &quot;After reading 30 or 40 essays and two or three of his books the trick he was using was less fresh and I noticed he often seemed a bit too certain about conclusions he was making without having fleshed them out with proper investigation.... However, after watching him in this Munk debate I’m very suspicious of his motives. He seems to be less a cool clear seeker of wisdom and truth but possibly a narcissistic charlatan.&quot;

Or he has been reading his own press releases.

Most authors with a long string of successes forget what got them there in the first place, and start to skimp on the research and analysis that they put into their earlier works.  If they are writers of fiction, they start repeating themselves (I feel certain that Louis L&#039;Amour wrote several of his later books by dropping in chunks of &quot;Western wisdom&quot; boilerplate), and drop the editing process in favor of just churning out the next volume of the 12-book series.

Thomas Sowell is a major exception.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Rufus &gt; &#8220;After reading 30 or 40 essays and two or three of his books the trick he was using was less fresh and I noticed he often seemed a bit too certain about conclusions he was making without having fleshed them out with proper investigation&#8230;. However, after watching him in this Munk debate I’m very suspicious of his motives. He seems to be less a cool clear seeker of wisdom and truth but possibly a narcissistic charlatan.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or he has been reading his own press releases.</p>
<p>Most authors with a long string of successes forget what got them there in the first place, and start to skimp on the research and analysis that they put into their earlier works.  If they are writers of fiction, they start repeating themselves (I feel certain that Louis L&#8217;Amour wrote several of his later books by dropping in chunks of &#8220;Western wisdom&#8221; boilerplate), and drop the editing process in favor of just churning out the next volume of the 12-book series.</p>
<p>Thomas Sowell is a major exception.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ huxley &#062; &quot;Which is why I’m watching the Asbury Revival.&quot;

Did you see this?
https://campusreform.org/article?id=21409
&lt;blockquote&gt;Asbury University students have sparked Christian revivals nationwide
Campus Reform has complied a list of 7 student-led revivals across the country.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Christian revivals have swept through America numerous times in the past, sometimes in response to rising apostasy and the concomitant increasing decline of moral standards, sometimes for matters of denominational &#038; theological controversy. 

The founding of the LDS church occurred during a large revival movement called The Second Great Awakening in the early 19th century.

However, I&#039;m not familiar with any major movements that were centered in the colleges, as opposed to being sponsored by the clergy or adults who felt called to missionary action (including the First and Third Great Awakenings, per Wikipedia).

I found that post after looking at this one (h/t ?? on another thread), which is not just coincidence.
https://campusreform.org/article?id=21388
&lt;blockquote&gt;Many institutions are now offering minors, majors, and masters degrees in diversity, equity, inclusion, and social justice topics.
Campus Reform reported earlier this month that &lt;b&gt;several Christian liberal arts colleges are experiencing double-digit increases in admissions or enrollment.&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Looks like the Leftists&#039; rampant neo-Marxism may finally have been the tipping point.
;

Joel Abbott is advising some caution, as modern revivals are sometimes broad but shallow.  
https://notthebee.com/article/lets-have-some-real-talk-about-this-whole-asbury-revival-thing-cuz-a-lot-of-people-are-getting-hyped-up-about-it
&lt;blockquote&gt;I lived through a &quot;revival&quot; that began sweeping college campuses across the nation during my time at university. It was the late 2000s, and as social media exploded and the millennials started going to college, they had serious questions about faith, life, and destiny.

I joined InterVarsity Christian Fellowship and quickly saw the campus ministry quadruple in size in just a year or two. This happened with other ministries such as Cru – and not just on my Michigan campus, but around the nation. Christian college conferences were packed to the gills with people who were sold out for Jesus.
...
Many of my friends in college became Christians after plugging into ministries on campus. Others had grown up in churches that never catechized them in the faith.

These kids loved being part of the 4-hour worship sets and the 2-hour intensive prayer meetings. It was experimental and emotional: Exactly what a vanilla Midwest kid needed to feel like he or she was coming closer to the God of the universe. These kids were reaching out for authenticity and a sense of deeper purpose. Untethered from tradition or history, they began to develop their own traditions or copy things that seemed to &quot;enhance&quot; worship. 
...
When I came across all of this, I identified it as the growing pains of young believers. These kids didn&#039;t have a church framework to fit into. They were a bunch of 18- to 22-year-olds just figuring out how the world works. They had found their identity in Christ, but they had no concept of Christian praxis, or how to apply the teachings of the Bible into daily life.

For most, this praxis became a routine of Bible studies, worship gatherings, conferences, and outreach. And that was admirable.

But then something happened.

We all left college.
A few of my friends managed to snag jobs in campus ministry themselves. I tried this same route for a short time as well.

What was a Christian on fire for the Gospel supposed to do in the big bad world?
...
In my own life, I soon faced the reality that life is not like college. There were bills to be paid. I had a marriage to maintain. Kids were soon on the way. For a time, I felt less than, as if I had given into worldly things.

&lt;b&gt;In the meantime, I saw many of my college friends began to slip away from the faith. The world was choking them out. They moved in with girlfriends and boyfriends, stopped going to church, went full woke, and began pursuing whatever thing gave them that emotional high they once chased in campus ministry.&lt;/b&gt; I even know of one who was arrested for an utterly heinous crime the likes of which you&#039;d never think possible for a guy who sat down and read Scripture with you.

I heard this trend put best by a woman who once tweeted about how she lost her faith. She grew up feeling like she was deeply in love with Jesus, but then she attended a Taylor Swift concert with the same emotional vibe and &lt;b&gt;she realized she just liked the high she got from attending concerts.&lt;/b&gt;
...
People like this were once sold out for Jesus, but they had never been prepared to apply their faith in real life – the realities of working for food and housing, of love, commitment, and parenthood, or the slow, sometimes seemingly boring task of following Christ.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Consider the sower who went out to sow. As he sowed, some seed fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured them. Other seed fell on rocky ground where it didn&#039;t have much soil, and it grew up quickly since the soil wasn&#039;t deep. But when the sun came up, it was scorched, and since it had no root, it withered away. Other seed fell among thorns, and the thorns came up and choked it.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Christian faith is about endurance. Our faith is not one of perpetual emotional rollercoasters like some romance thriller. 
...
What our country needs is not just a &quot;back to Jesus moment.&quot; It needs the hard truth that it is quite literally damned to hell on its current path and that there is a lot of difficult, monotonous work that will be required to set it right – if something is even possible at this point of societal collapse.

College worship experiences will not lead to this type of repentance in heart and action. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Then again, it&#039;s never wise to sell God short.
&quot;Out of the mouths of babes&quot; and all that.
Time will tell, I suppose.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ huxley &gt; &#8220;Which is why I’m watching the Asbury Revival.&#8221;</p>
<p>Did you see this?<br />
<a href="https://campusreform.org/article?id=21409" rel="nofollow ugc">https://campusreform.org/article?id=21409</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Asbury University students have sparked Christian revivals nationwide<br />
Campus Reform has complied a list of 7 student-led revivals across the country.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Christian revivals have swept through America numerous times in the past, sometimes in response to rising apostasy and the concomitant increasing decline of moral standards, sometimes for matters of denominational &amp; theological controversy. </p>
<p>The founding of the LDS church occurred during a large revival movement called The Second Great Awakening in the early 19th century.</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;m not familiar with any major movements that were centered in the colleges, as opposed to being sponsored by the clergy or adults who felt called to missionary action (including the First and Third Great Awakenings, per Wikipedia).</p>
<p>I found that post after looking at this one (h/t ?? on another thread), which is not just coincidence.<br />
<a href="https://campusreform.org/article?id=21388" rel="nofollow ugc">https://campusreform.org/article?id=21388</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Many institutions are now offering minors, majors, and masters degrees in diversity, equity, inclusion, and social justice topics.<br />
Campus Reform reported earlier this month that <b>several Christian liberal arts colleges are experiencing double-digit increases in admissions or enrollment.</b>
</p></blockquote>
<p>Looks like the Leftists&#8217; rampant neo-Marxism may finally have been the tipping point.<br />
;</p>
<p>Joel Abbott is advising some caution, as modern revivals are sometimes broad but shallow.<br />
<a href="https://notthebee.com/article/lets-have-some-real-talk-about-this-whole-asbury-revival-thing-cuz-a-lot-of-people-are-getting-hyped-up-about-it" rel="nofollow ugc">https://notthebee.com/article/lets-have-some-real-talk-about-this-whole-asbury-revival-thing-cuz-a-lot-of-people-are-getting-hyped-up-about-it</a></p>
<blockquote><p>I lived through a &#8220;revival&#8221; that began sweeping college campuses across the nation during my time at university. It was the late 2000s, and as social media exploded and the millennials started going to college, they had serious questions about faith, life, and destiny.</p>
<p>I joined InterVarsity Christian Fellowship and quickly saw the campus ministry quadruple in size in just a year or two. This happened with other ministries such as Cru – and not just on my Michigan campus, but around the nation. Christian college conferences were packed to the gills with people who were sold out for Jesus.<br />
&#8230;<br />
Many of my friends in college became Christians after plugging into ministries on campus. Others had grown up in churches that never catechized them in the faith.</p>
<p>These kids loved being part of the 4-hour worship sets and the 2-hour intensive prayer meetings. It was experimental and emotional: Exactly what a vanilla Midwest kid needed to feel like he or she was coming closer to the God of the universe. These kids were reaching out for authenticity and a sense of deeper purpose. Untethered from tradition or history, they began to develop their own traditions or copy things that seemed to &#8220;enhance&#8221; worship.<br />
&#8230;<br />
When I came across all of this, I identified it as the growing pains of young believers. These kids didn&#8217;t have a church framework to fit into. They were a bunch of 18- to 22-year-olds just figuring out how the world works. They had found their identity in Christ, but they had no concept of Christian praxis, or how to apply the teachings of the Bible into daily life.</p>
<p>For most, this praxis became a routine of Bible studies, worship gatherings, conferences, and outreach. And that was admirable.</p>
<p>But then something happened.</p>
<p>We all left college.<br />
A few of my friends managed to snag jobs in campus ministry themselves. I tried this same route for a short time as well.</p>
<p>What was a Christian on fire for the Gospel supposed to do in the big bad world?<br />
&#8230;<br />
In my own life, I soon faced the reality that life is not like college. There were bills to be paid. I had a marriage to maintain. Kids were soon on the way. For a time, I felt less than, as if I had given into worldly things.</p>
<p><b>In the meantime, I saw many of my college friends began to slip away from the faith. The world was choking them out. They moved in with girlfriends and boyfriends, stopped going to church, went full woke, and began pursuing whatever thing gave them that emotional high they once chased in campus ministry.</b> I even know of one who was arrested for an utterly heinous crime the likes of which you&#8217;d never think possible for a guy who sat down and read Scripture with you.</p>
<p>I heard this trend put best by a woman who once tweeted about how she lost her faith. She grew up feeling like she was deeply in love with Jesus, but then she attended a Taylor Swift concert with the same emotional vibe and <b>she realized she just liked the high she got from attending concerts.</b><br />
&#8230;<br />
People like this were once sold out for Jesus, but they had never been prepared to apply their faith in real life – the realities of working for food and housing, of love, commitment, and parenthood, or the slow, sometimes seemingly boring task of following Christ.</p>
<blockquote><p>Consider the sower who went out to sow. As he sowed, some seed fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured them. Other seed fell on rocky ground where it didn&#8217;t have much soil, and it grew up quickly since the soil wasn&#8217;t deep. But when the sun came up, it was scorched, and since it had no root, it withered away. Other seed fell among thorns, and the thorns came up and choked it.
</p></blockquote>
<p>The Christian faith is about endurance. Our faith is not one of perpetual emotional rollercoasters like some romance thriller.<br />
&#8230;<br />
What our country needs is not just a &#8220;back to Jesus moment.&#8221; It needs the hard truth that it is quite literally damned to hell on its current path and that there is a lot of difficult, monotonous work that will be required to set it right – if something is even possible at this point of societal collapse.</p>
<p>College worship experiences will not lead to this type of repentance in heart and action.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Then again, it&#8217;s never wise to sell God short.<br />
&#8220;Out of the mouths of babes&#8221; and all that.<br />
Time will tell, I suppose.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2023 13:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I will defend Gladwell. In my opinion he is a very talented writer. Not only that, but he developed (as far as I am aware) a unique style of journalism that is very readable and entertaining.

I forget which of his New Yorker essays I read first (https://www.newyorker.com/contributors/malcolm-gladwell), but after reading it I instantly read another, and another.

I first thought I was enjoying his essays because of the subjects he chose; often science adjacent, or using science and statistics at a surface level to examine cultural things. Somewhere into the third essay I realized that he also had figured out a very clever style of finding 2 or 3 interesting, diverse but somewhat tangential threads on his main topics and weaving them in and out throughout his essays. Switching from one to the other every 2 or 3 paragraphs. This hopping back and forth, rather than flowing chronologically or thematically from beginning to end made his writing hard to put down. Every 2 or 3 paragraphs he leaves the reader hanging on a thread. Clever. And entertaining.

So mega-kudos to Gladwell for figuring that out. And, mega-kudos to Gladwell for having a great eye for topics. He is very good at picking out subjects that many people will find interesting, but aren&#039;t typically tackled by journalists. And the science and statistic adjacent nature of his subjects and approach make a reader feel like he or she is doing something beneficial. Sort-of like when your biology teacher would assign a Word Search puzzle to learn vocabulary. Yes, you&#039;re doing &quot;biology&quot; and &quot;learning,&quot; but it&#039;s mostly playing a fun game.

After reading 30 or 40 essays and two or three of his books the trick he was using was less fresh and I noticed he often seemed a bit too certain about conclusions he was making without having fleshed them out with proper investigation.

But give him credit; he&#039;s very good at writing in a style that keeps one turning the page and he&#039;s very good at choosing topics that will sell books and get people talking. However, after watching him in this Munk debate I&#039;m very suspicious of his motives. He seems to be less a  cool clear seeker of wisdom and truth but possibly a narcissistic charlatan.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will defend Gladwell. In my opinion he is a very talented writer. Not only that, but he developed (as far as I am aware) a unique style of journalism that is very readable and entertaining.</p>
<p>I forget which of his New Yorker essays I read first (<a href="https://www.newyorker.com/contributors/malcolm-gladwell" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.newyorker.com/contributors/malcolm-gladwell</a>), but after reading it I instantly read another, and another.</p>
<p>I first thought I was enjoying his essays because of the subjects he chose; often science adjacent, or using science and statistics at a surface level to examine cultural things. Somewhere into the third essay I realized that he also had figured out a very clever style of finding 2 or 3 interesting, diverse but somewhat tangential threads on his main topics and weaving them in and out throughout his essays. Switching from one to the other every 2 or 3 paragraphs. This hopping back and forth, rather than flowing chronologically or thematically from beginning to end made his writing hard to put down. Every 2 or 3 paragraphs he leaves the reader hanging on a thread. Clever. And entertaining.</p>
<p>So mega-kudos to Gladwell for figuring that out. And, mega-kudos to Gladwell for having a great eye for topics. He is very good at picking out subjects that many people will find interesting, but aren&#8217;t typically tackled by journalists. And the science and statistic adjacent nature of his subjects and approach make a reader feel like he or she is doing something beneficial. Sort-of like when your biology teacher would assign a Word Search puzzle to learn vocabulary. Yes, you&#8217;re doing &#8220;biology&#8221; and &#8220;learning,&#8221; but it&#8217;s mostly playing a fun game.</p>
<p>After reading 30 or 40 essays and two or three of his books the trick he was using was less fresh and I noticed he often seemed a bit too certain about conclusions he was making without having fleshed them out with proper investigation.</p>
<p>But give him credit; he&#8217;s very good at writing in a style that keeps one turning the page and he&#8217;s very good at choosing topics that will sell books and get people talking. However, after watching him in this Munk debate I&#8217;m very suspicious of his motives. He seems to be less a  cool clear seeker of wisdom and truth but possibly a narcissistic charlatan.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2023 12:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Says Banned who roots for Putin, his MVP.  Do you get all your thoughts from Tucker, Banned?]]></description>
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		By: Banned Lizard		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tucker Carlson on our domestic Ukraine hype machine:

&lt;i&gt; I grieve when I hear nice people in this country - there are so many and I often hear it - root for Zelenskyy like he&#039;s a sports hero. They have no idea what&#039;s at stake here in the massive global realignment under way because they would have no way of knowing&lt;/i&gt; (due to the scarcity of good information).
https://www.bitchute.com/video/zA4LHa3CQ1Ab/

Some of those nice people are right here on this very blog.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tucker Carlson on our domestic Ukraine hype machine:</p>
<p><i> I grieve when I hear nice people in this country &#8211; there are so many and I often hear it &#8211; root for Zelenskyy like he&#8217;s a sports hero. They have no idea what&#8217;s at stake here in the massive global realignment under way because they would have no way of knowing</i> (due to the scarcity of good information).<br />
<a href="https://www.bitchute.com/video/zA4LHa3CQ1Ab/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.bitchute.com/video/zA4LHa3CQ1Ab/</a></p>
<p>Some of those nice people are right here on this very blog.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[The only book of Gladwell that I have read is &lt;i&gt;The Bomber Mafia&lt;/i&gt;.  Reviews led me to expect something substantial and insightful.  It was neither.  Having read quite a few books about aviation, WWII, Strategic Bombing (I am a boomer, but not a bomber) over the course of 50 years, it was nothing new or worth remembering.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only book of Gladwell that I have read is <i>The Bomber Mafia</i>.  Reviews led me to expect something substantial and insightful.  It was neither.  Having read quite a few books about aviation, WWII, Strategic Bombing (I am a boomer, but not a bomber) over the course of 50 years, it was nothing new or worth remembering.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan:

Which is why I&#039;m watching the Asbury Revival. 

Leaving aside arguments about God&#039;s intervention in the world, movements do start small and may lead to huge social changes. 

Chaos theory, butterfly wings. The Asbury Revival may well be a flash in the pan. But then again, it may not.

I believe there is much dry tinder in conservative America which could easily catch fire at any moment. Trump captured some of that possibility in 2016.

In 1955 Rosa Parks refused to sit in the  &quot;colored section&quot; of an Alabama bus. It was a spark which led to much more, because of the plentiful &quot;dry tinder&quot; at the time supporting a civil rights movement.

That can be a two-way street.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan:</p>
<p>Which is why I&#8217;m watching the Asbury Revival. </p>
<p>Leaving aside arguments about God&#8217;s intervention in the world, movements do start small and may lead to huge social changes. </p>
<p>Chaos theory, butterfly wings. The Asbury Revival may well be a flash in the pan. But then again, it may not.</p>
<p>I believe there is much dry tinder in conservative America which could easily catch fire at any moment. Trump captured some of that possibility in 2016.</p>
<p>In 1955 Rosa Parks refused to sit in the  &#8220;colored section&#8221; of an Alabama bus. It was a spark which led to much more, because of the plentiful &#8220;dry tinder&#8221; at the time supporting a civil rights movement.</p>
<p>That can be a two-way street.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2023 05:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And behold serendipity strikes again, via Neo&#039;s link to LI on the Enshrining Equity post: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Pasadena Phil &#124; February 24, 2023 at 8:46 am
Malcolm Gladwell’s Law of the Few:

&quot;Major cultural changes are always instigated by a small vanguard elite who have the courage of their convictions and the outsized drive to move mountains.&quot;

Always.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Which we see often enough that it really IS plausible.

Think of all the political and social movements, good or bad, that only took off because one or a few people worked at pushing them, for many many hours (maybe even 10000). They don&#039;t HAVE to be elites, however; many very successful ones were started by plain-folks who got a burr under their saddle.
And they are not &quot;influencers&quot; in the way the term is used to describe internet personalities who are famous only for being famous.

Ward may be (and probably is) correct that none of their movements would have succeeded without the numberless other people amplifying their cause, but the &quot;masses&quot; seldom generate any effective movement without some small group pointing the way and keeping them focused.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And behold serendipity strikes again, via Neo&#8217;s link to LI on the Enshrining Equity post: </p>
<blockquote><p>Pasadena Phil | February 24, 2023 at 8:46 am<br />
Malcolm Gladwell’s Law of the Few:</p>
<p>&#8220;Major cultural changes are always instigated by a small vanguard elite who have the courage of their convictions and the outsized drive to move mountains.&#8221;</p>
<p>Always.
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<p>Which we see often enough that it really IS plausible.</p>
<p>Think of all the political and social movements, good or bad, that only took off because one or a few people worked at pushing them, for many many hours (maybe even 10000). They don&#8217;t HAVE to be elites, however; many very successful ones were started by plain-folks who got a burr under their saddle.<br />
And they are not &#8220;influencers&#8221; in the way the term is used to describe internet personalities who are famous only for being famous.</p>
<p>Ward may be (and probably is) correct that none of their movements would have succeeded without the numberless other people amplifying their cause, but the &#8220;masses&#8221; seldom generate any effective movement without some small group pointing the way and keeping them focused.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ huxley &#062; &quot;Although I started as a Gladwell fan and bought his first three books, I noticed that some of his glib, smart stuff was later debunked.&quot;

Deja vu all over again.
Same here.
I did enjoy Gladwell&#039;s writing, and most of his claims were plausible enough to at least consider, if not adopt uncritically. However, that also applies to debunkers.

Miller&#039;s post at 6seconds on the 10000 rule is informative, but I recommend reading through the comments for a recursive debunking of some of HIS assertions.

Gladwell&#039;s speculations in The Tipping Point, about influencers generating the cascades, was less plausible, as I don&#039;t think it&#039;s really possible in most situations to go back and discover which of the straws piled on the camel&#039;s back was the fatal one. Also, there are varying antecedent conditions which determine how many straws it takes to reach the tipping point, and changes in any of those will change the &quot;number&quot; of the last straw.

The arstechnica post is too short to really explore the controversy: basically all he does is cite a competing Expert Witness; there is no cross-examination because there are no comments. Watts&#039; book (2004) might be persuasive, but I suspect someone has also debunked that by now..

At any rate, none of that has anything to do with his personal social deficiencies.
It&#039;s much easier to make smooth arguments sitting at a computer in a quiet room by yourself than in a public setting on-the-fly.  
Since a good debater generally has his points lined up in his head ready to go in any venue, maybe Gladwell needs to put in 10000 hours practicing his speaking skills.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;On the “the media are lying bastards” side were Matt Taibbi and Douglas Murray. On the, “the media are elite, omniscient angels” side were Michelle Goldberg and Malcolm Gladwell.&quot;
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It also helps if the side you are defending is, in fact, correct, as it is much easier to get those talking points prepared.

However, when you really can&#039;t support your assertions with actual evidence, it doesn&#039;t matter how good they sound, they are not reliable.

https://thefederalist.com/2023/02/24/new-york-times-uses-groupthink-not-evidence-to-claim-dei-works/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ huxley &gt; &#8220;Although I started as a Gladwell fan and bought his first three books, I noticed that some of his glib, smart stuff was later debunked.&#8221;</p>
<p>Deja vu all over again.<br />
Same here.<br />
I did enjoy Gladwell&#8217;s writing, and most of his claims were plausible enough to at least consider, if not adopt uncritically. However, that also applies to debunkers.</p>
<p>Miller&#8217;s post at 6seconds on the 10000 rule is informative, but I recommend reading through the comments for a recursive debunking of some of HIS assertions.</p>
<p>Gladwell&#8217;s speculations in The Tipping Point, about influencers generating the cascades, was less plausible, as I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s really possible in most situations to go back and discover which of the straws piled on the camel&#8217;s back was the fatal one. Also, there are varying antecedent conditions which determine how many straws it takes to reach the tipping point, and changes in any of those will change the &#8220;number&#8221; of the last straw.</p>
<p>The arstechnica post is too short to really explore the controversy: basically all he does is cite a competing Expert Witness; there is no cross-examination because there are no comments. Watts&#8217; book (2004) might be persuasive, but I suspect someone has also debunked that by now..</p>
<p>At any rate, none of that has anything to do with his personal social deficiencies.<br />
It&#8217;s much easier to make smooth arguments sitting at a computer in a quiet room by yourself than in a public setting on-the-fly.<br />
Since a good debater generally has his points lined up in his head ready to go in any venue, maybe Gladwell needs to put in 10000 hours practicing his speaking skills.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;On the “the media are lying bastards” side were Matt Taibbi and Douglas Murray. On the, “the media are elite, omniscient angels” side were Michelle Goldberg and Malcolm Gladwell.&#8221;
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<p>It also helps if the side you are defending is, in fact, correct, as it is much easier to get those talking points prepared.</p>
<p>However, when you really can&#8217;t support your assertions with actual evidence, it doesn&#8217;t matter how good they sound, they are not reliable.</p>
<p><a href="https://thefederalist.com/2023/02/24/new-york-times-uses-groupthink-not-evidence-to-claim-dei-works/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://thefederalist.com/2023/02/24/new-york-times-uses-groupthink-not-evidence-to-claim-dei-works/</a></p>
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					<description><![CDATA[I used to warn people about looking into Christianity. It may seem like a dead religion in our society... You may be surprised.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to warn people about looking into Christianity. It may seem like a dead religion in our society&#8230; You may be surprised.<br />
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<p><i>Ask [God] to show you his face. But when he looks at you, you must look back.</p>
<p>&#8211;Bhagavan Das, &#8220;It&#8217;s Here Now (Are You?)&#8221;</i></p>
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