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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/01/03/open-thread-1-3-23/#comment-2660199</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2023 13:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great post, AF. 
Now we don&#039;t have to get all frantic if we come across a camel in Death Valley, etc....
(Quibble alert: Alas, you somehow neglected to mention one of the camel&#039;s most important functions...&quot;
https://camelicious.ae/product-category/premium-camel-milk-ice-cream/ )
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&quot;Another episode of The Twitter Files has dropped.&quot;
Can someone---anyone!---help out here on the timeline?
Clearly, the FBI and the State Department (or elements of them)---and other alphabet agencies?---were in on this before the 2020 elections, IOW, while Trump was still president.
We know &quot;where&quot; Wray was; but where was Pompeo? Where was Barr? Etc.
Was/is the Deep State so HUGE, so VAST---and, more importantly, so effectively COMPARTMENTALIZED---that it was/is able to run a parallel, underground government that no one not &quot;in the know&quot; is supposed to even know about?
(Reminds one of those gigantic ant-colonies that purportedly tunnel under most of Europe---and who knows where else....)
Would seem that if Trump has done nothing else---and he has, of course---then exposing these goons, if not the totality of their extensive reach, has been a tremendous service to the country.

Another question: Why didn&#039;t the CIA or any other of the other alphabet agencies not create a dummy company to buy Twitter instead of allowing Musk to buy it, knowing (or suspecting) what might happen if the information somehow got out?
Unless, of course, they never thought it would get out...or believed that the deal would never go through...or assume that their confederates within the company, e.g., Baker, would be able to prevent any and all leaks.
To be sure, they&#039;re all playing &quot;Nothing to see here, etc.&quot; but surely they must be sweating, even if just a bit...

One thing seems, unfortunately, to be certain: The Democrats are back in charge; which means, &quot;in charge&quot; of what seems to be a Deep State that is fundamentally THEIRS...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, AF.<br />
Now we don&#8217;t have to get all frantic if we come across a camel in Death Valley, etc&#8230;.<br />
(Quibble alert: Alas, you somehow neglected to mention one of the camel&#8217;s most important functions&#8230;&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://camelicious.ae/product-category/premium-camel-milk-ice-cream/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://camelicious.ae/product-category/premium-camel-milk-ice-cream/</a> )<br />
&#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211;<br />
&#8220;Another episode of The Twitter Files has dropped.&#8221;<br />
Can someone&#8212;anyone!&#8212;help out here on the timeline?<br />
Clearly, the FBI and the State Department (or elements of them)&#8212;and other alphabet agencies?&#8212;were in on this before the 2020 elections, IOW, while Trump was still president.<br />
We know &#8220;where&#8221; Wray was; but where was Pompeo? Where was Barr? Etc.<br />
Was/is the Deep State so HUGE, so VAST&#8212;and, more importantly, so effectively COMPARTMENTALIZED&#8212;that it was/is able to run a parallel, underground government that no one not &#8220;in the know&#8221; is supposed to even know about?<br />
(Reminds one of those gigantic ant-colonies that purportedly tunnel under most of Europe&#8212;and who knows where else&#8230;.)<br />
Would seem that if Trump has done nothing else&#8212;and he has, of course&#8212;then exposing these goons, if not the totality of their extensive reach, has been a tremendous service to the country.</p>
<p>Another question: Why didn&#8217;t the CIA or any other of the other alphabet agencies not create a dummy company to buy Twitter instead of allowing Musk to buy it, knowing (or suspecting) what might happen if the information somehow got out?<br />
Unless, of course, they never thought it would get out&#8230;or believed that the deal would never go through&#8230;or assume that their confederates within the company, e.g., Baker, would be able to prevent any and all leaks.<br />
To be sure, they&#8217;re all playing &#8220;Nothing to see here, etc.&#8221; but surely they must be sweating, even if just a bit&#8230;</p>
<p>One thing seems, unfortunately, to be certain: The Democrats are back in charge; which means, &#8220;in charge&#8221; of what seems to be a Deep State that is fundamentally THEIRS&#8230;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/01/03/open-thread-1-3-23/#comment-2660191</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2023 11:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another episode of The Twitter Files has dropped.

https://redstate.com/kiradavis/2023/01/03/twitter-files-the-fbi-belly-button-n682899

There are two things that distinguish this series from a TV soap opera:
(1) the substance is deadly serious, and effects real people with real consequences;
(2) no writer would pitch such a bizarre concatenation of events to any producers for fear of being laughed out of the room.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another episode of The Twitter Files has dropped.</p>
<p><a href="https://redstate.com/kiradavis/2023/01/03/twitter-files-the-fbi-belly-button-n682899" rel="nofollow ugc">https://redstate.com/kiradavis/2023/01/03/twitter-files-the-fbi-belly-button-n682899</a></p>
<p>There are two things that distinguish this series from a TV soap opera:<br />
(1) the substance is deadly serious, and effects real people with real consequences;<br />
(2) no writer would pitch such a bizarre concatenation of events to any producers for fear of being laughed out of the room.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/01/03/open-thread-1-3-23/#comment-2660182</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2023 10:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Texians aren&#039;t afraid to try anything. 
https://texashillcountry.com/camel-corps-army-bring-camels-texas/

&lt;blockquote&gt;What does the Middle East and Texas have in common? “Not much,” one might assume, but, in the middle of the 19th century, both areas were home to camels. In 1856, 34 camels arrived via boat at the port in Indianola, Texas. The camels came from such areas as Malta, Greece, Turkey, and Egypt, and were part of an experiment by the United States Army called The United States Camel Corps.

The idea was to use the camels as pack animals in the southwestern portions of the United States – an area that was largely undeveloped and desert terrain. The camels were settled at Camp Verde (in Kerr County), where military officials hoped to begin a breeding program. Alas, while the U.S. Army had some success using the camels in extended surveys in the Southwest, it was rough-going. The camels did not get along with the Army’s horses and mules, which would bolt out of fear when they smelled a camel. The soldiers found the camels difficult to handle and they couldn’t stand the smell of the animals either.
...
The camels excelled at certain aspects of life in Texas though. The camels were content eating the scrub and prickly plants found along the trails in west Texas. They could travel thirty to forty miles a day, go for eight to 10 days without water, and seemed not the slightest bit bothered by the oppressive climate. At one point, a mule-led expedition became lost and led into an impassable canyon. The ensuing lack of grass and water for over thirty-six hours made the mules frantic. A small scouting party mounted on camels was sent out to find a trail. They found a river some 20 miles away and led the expedition to it, literally saving the lives of both men and beasts. From then on, the camels were used to find all watering holes.
...
The Civil War largely put an end to the Army’s use of camels in Texas. While, early in the Civil War, an attempt was made to use the camels to carry mail between Fort Mohave, New Mexico Territory, on the Colorado River and New San Pedro, California, the attempt was unsuccessful after the commanders of both posts objected.

When Union troops reoccupied Camp Verde, there were estimated to be more than a hundred camels at the camp, but there may have been others roaming the countryside. In 1866, the U.S. Government was able to round up 66 camels, which it sold in various auctions to circuses throughout the United States and in Mexico.
...
Even though many of the camels from this military project were accounted for and sold at the end of the experiment, it’s widely thought that there are still some who might still roam the barren parts of West Texas and New Mexico. Similar to Chupacabra and Sasquatch, many claim to have seen them. Have you?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Texians aren&#8217;t afraid to try anything.<br />
<a href="https://texashillcountry.com/camel-corps-army-bring-camels-texas/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://texashillcountry.com/camel-corps-army-bring-camels-texas/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>What does the Middle East and Texas have in common? “Not much,” one might assume, but, in the middle of the 19th century, both areas were home to camels. In 1856, 34 camels arrived via boat at the port in Indianola, Texas. The camels came from such areas as Malta, Greece, Turkey, and Egypt, and were part of an experiment by the United States Army called The United States Camel Corps.</p>
<p>The idea was to use the camels as pack animals in the southwestern portions of the United States – an area that was largely undeveloped and desert terrain. The camels were settled at Camp Verde (in Kerr County), where military officials hoped to begin a breeding program. Alas, while the U.S. Army had some success using the camels in extended surveys in the Southwest, it was rough-going. The camels did not get along with the Army’s horses and mules, which would bolt out of fear when they smelled a camel. The soldiers found the camels difficult to handle and they couldn’t stand the smell of the animals either.<br />
&#8230;<br />
The camels excelled at certain aspects of life in Texas though. The camels were content eating the scrub and prickly plants found along the trails in west Texas. They could travel thirty to forty miles a day, go for eight to 10 days without water, and seemed not the slightest bit bothered by the oppressive climate. At one point, a mule-led expedition became lost and led into an impassable canyon. The ensuing lack of grass and water for over thirty-six hours made the mules frantic. A small scouting party mounted on camels was sent out to find a trail. They found a river some 20 miles away and led the expedition to it, literally saving the lives of both men and beasts. From then on, the camels were used to find all watering holes.<br />
&#8230;<br />
The Civil War largely put an end to the Army’s use of camels in Texas. While, early in the Civil War, an attempt was made to use the camels to carry mail between Fort Mohave, New Mexico Territory, on the Colorado River and New San Pedro, California, the attempt was unsuccessful after the commanders of both posts objected.</p>
<p>When Union troops reoccupied Camp Verde, there were estimated to be more than a hundred camels at the camp, but there may have been others roaming the countryside. In 1866, the U.S. Government was able to round up 66 camels, which it sold in various auctions to circuses throughout the United States and in Mexico.<br />
&#8230;<br />
Even though many of the camels from this military project were accounted for and sold at the end of the experiment, it’s widely thought that there are still some who might still roam the barren parts of West Texas and New Mexico. Similar to Chupacabra and Sasquatch, many claim to have seen them. Have you?
</p></blockquote>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2023/01/03/open-thread-1-3-23/#comment-2660181</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2023 09:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Brian &#062; That&#039;s the most frightening Venn Diagram I&#039;ve ever seen.
As it&#039;s coming from Elon Musk, I wonder what&#039;s left in the Twitter Files that he&#039;s aware of, and when / if he will release it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Brian &gt; That&#8217;s the most frightening Venn Diagram I&#8217;ve ever seen.<br />
As it&#8217;s coming from Elon Musk, I wonder what&#8217;s left in the Twitter Files that he&#8217;s aware of, and when / if he will release it.</p>
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		By: Brian E		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2023 00:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not even sure where here is, but it looks bad!

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1610416059940495363/photo/1]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not even sure where here is, but it looks bad!</p>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1610416059940495363/photo/1" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1610416059940495363/photo/1</a></p>
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		By: Cornflour		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2023 22:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just another off-topic, open-thread comment about something I read.

Arnold Kling recently wrote a post about Lorenzo Warby&#039;s essay entitled &quot;Social justice as social leverage.&quot;  Warby&#039;s essay was the first in a series of twenty-six.  Two have already been published.  I&#039;ve taken a look at the essays&#039; titles and their basic thesis, and I&#039;d guess that many of them would be of interest to those who read Neo&#039;s blog. I plan to keep an eye open for the publication of the remaining essays.

So ... here&#039;s a list of the essays and their thesis.  As a group, the essays are called &quot;Worshiping the future:  the spiraling catastrophe of transformative politics.&quot;

Here&#039;s a link:  https://helendale.substack.com/p/worshipping-the-future

And here&#039;s the thesis:

&quot;The basic thesis is that we are dealing far less with a set of ideas—these keep evolving and shifting—than a set of status-and-social-leverage strategies. Seeing the proponents as holding to a set of ideals with which compromise is possible—so they can be mollified by various concessions—feeds the strategy.
It is only if the status and social leverage strategies are rendered dysfunctional that processes of &#039;wokification&#039; can be halted or reversed. These essays will explore those strategies, and the mechanisms that make them effective, allowing readers to see how to respond usefully.&quot;

And, finally, here are the essays&#039; titles:

Essay 1: Social justice as social leverage
Essay 2: Why does anyone believe in Marxism?
Essay 3: Class and the state
Essay 4: The Paradox of polities
Essay 5: The deep appeal of Marxism
Essay 6: Updating the template
Essay 7: Gaming consciousness
Essay 8: Feminisation has consequences
Essay 9: A better future versus the transformational future
Essay 10: Creating social dysfunction
Essay 11: The social-imperial state
Essay 12: Migration as social-imperial project
Essay 13: A crusading clerisy
Essay 14: The Transcult
Essay 15: Winning through social dysfunction
Essay 16: The triple attack on democracy
Essay 17: The Revolt of the Somewheres
Essay 18: Delusions of technocracy
Essay 19: A new convergence
Essay 20: Vanguard capital
Essay 21: Taking away achievement
Essay 22: Lack of character, avoiding reality, selecting for approval
Essay 23: An imperial ideology of aggression and cruelty
Essay 24: Pandemic responses and the colonising of fragility
Essay 25: Marxism as original sin
Essay 26: Action plan]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just another off-topic, open-thread comment about something I read.</p>
<p>Arnold Kling recently wrote a post about Lorenzo Warby&#8217;s essay entitled &#8220;Social justice as social leverage.&#8221;  Warby&#8217;s essay was the first in a series of twenty-six.  Two have already been published.  I&#8217;ve taken a look at the essays&#8217; titles and their basic thesis, and I&#8217;d guess that many of them would be of interest to those who read Neo&#8217;s blog. I plan to keep an eye open for the publication of the remaining essays.</p>
<p>So &#8230; here&#8217;s a list of the essays and their thesis.  As a group, the essays are called &#8220;Worshiping the future:  the spiraling catastrophe of transformative politics.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a link:  <a href="https://helendale.substack.com/p/worshipping-the-future" rel="nofollow ugc">https://helendale.substack.com/p/worshipping-the-future</a></p>
<p>And here&#8217;s the thesis:</p>
<p>&#8220;The basic thesis is that we are dealing far less with a set of ideas—these keep evolving and shifting—than a set of status-and-social-leverage strategies. Seeing the proponents as holding to a set of ideals with which compromise is possible—so they can be mollified by various concessions—feeds the strategy.<br />
It is only if the status and social leverage strategies are rendered dysfunctional that processes of &#8216;wokification&#8217; can be halted or reversed. These essays will explore those strategies, and the mechanisms that make them effective, allowing readers to see how to respond usefully.&#8221;</p>
<p>And, finally, here are the essays&#8217; titles:</p>
<p>Essay 1: Social justice as social leverage<br />
Essay 2: Why does anyone believe in Marxism?<br />
Essay 3: Class and the state<br />
Essay 4: The Paradox of polities<br />
Essay 5: The deep appeal of Marxism<br />
Essay 6: Updating the template<br />
Essay 7: Gaming consciousness<br />
Essay 8: Feminisation has consequences<br />
Essay 9: A better future versus the transformational future<br />
Essay 10: Creating social dysfunction<br />
Essay 11: The social-imperial state<br />
Essay 12: Migration as social-imperial project<br />
Essay 13: A crusading clerisy<br />
Essay 14: The Transcult<br />
Essay 15: Winning through social dysfunction<br />
Essay 16: The triple attack on democracy<br />
Essay 17: The Revolt of the Somewheres<br />
Essay 18: Delusions of technocracy<br />
Essay 19: A new convergence<br />
Essay 20: Vanguard capital<br />
Essay 21: Taking away achievement<br />
Essay 22: Lack of character, avoiding reality, selecting for approval<br />
Essay 23: An imperial ideology of aggression and cruelty<br />
Essay 24: Pandemic responses and the colonising of fragility<br />
Essay 25: Marxism as original sin<br />
Essay 26: Action plan</p>
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		By: Bob Wilson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2023 19:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding McCarthy, You reap what you sow. The last “moderate” Republican House speaker, Paul Ryan, relied on Democrat votes to pass a pork laden omnibus Spending bill. McCarthy is not Ryan but he was Ryan’s majority leader. That being said, there is no viable alternative. I believe McCarthy has conceded on the motion to vacate rule. It would be useful to learn what concessions have been offered. I know the rebels were trying to get regular order so individual bills are passed through the committee process instead of by edict from the speaker.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2015/12/18/paul-ryan-relied-democrats-pass-omnibus/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding McCarthy, You reap what you sow. The last “moderate” Republican House speaker, Paul Ryan, relied on Democrat votes to pass a pork laden omnibus Spending bill. McCarthy is not Ryan but he was Ryan’s majority leader. That being said, there is no viable alternative. I believe McCarthy has conceded on the motion to vacate rule. It would be useful to learn what concessions have been offered. I know the rebels were trying to get regular order so individual bills are passed through the committee process instead of by edict from the speaker.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2015/12/18/paul-ryan-relied-democrats-pass-omnibus/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2015/12/18/paul-ryan-relied-democrats-pass-omnibus/</a></p>
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		By: Nonapod		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2023 19:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I know. But the land bridge (&lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beringia&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Beringia&lt;/a&gt;) only exists when sea levels are pretty low, as in during periods of heavy glaciation. But 7.5 to 6 million years ago was not an Ice Age, and in fact was actually &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miocene&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;a bit warmer than even today I believe&lt;/a&gt;. But I guess there must&#039;ve been a glaciation at some point during that time frame to account for the lower sea levels needed for the land bridge.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I know. But the land bridge (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beringia" rel="nofollow ugc">Beringia</a>) only exists when sea levels are pretty low, as in during periods of heavy glaciation. But 7.5 to 6 million years ago was not an Ice Age, and in fact was actually <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miocene" rel="nofollow ugc">a bit warmer than even today I believe</a>. But I guess there must&#8217;ve been a glaciation at some point during that time frame to account for the lower sea levels needed for the land bridge.</p>
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		By: SHIREHOME		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2023 19:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I rode on a Camel once, in Mongolia. Being a Navy guy I fully understood why they are called the Ship of the Desert. 
When in Egypt we saw mounted Police around the Pyramids. They were very aggressive, riding with a great many tourist around. Saw them corner a peddler for some reason.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rode on a Camel once, in Mongolia. Being a Navy guy I fully understood why they are called the Ship of the Desert.<br />
When in Egypt we saw mounted Police around the Pyramids. They were very aggressive, riding with a great many tourist around. Saw them corner a peddler for some reason.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2023 19:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nonapod:

They say there was a land bridge.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonapod:</p>
<p>They say there was a land bridge.</p>
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