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		By: anonymous		</title>
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Film: &quot;Extracurricular&quot; (2018)


The pop-cultural bacteria was already in the Trump-era water.]]></description>
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<p>Film: &#8220;Extracurricular&#8221; (2018)</p>
<p>The pop-cultural bacteria was already in the Trump-era water.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2023 14:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Couple of items regarding new info:
It&#039;s been better than fifty years since I&#039;ve slept well.  The wind changes and the house creaks, a bird hits the window...I&#039;m up.  But prior to that time, I was usually pretty far gone.  
So I&#039;m not sure whether to think the survivors slept through this or heard something going on and did nothing.  In the latter case, there needs to be an answer.

Recollecting the resentment of the outgroup-loser guy reminded me of a couple of incidents from long ago.  Free-play stuff....two dozen high school seniors at a pool party.  Hundred freshmen and sophomores in a gigantic snowball fight when classes were called off for the next day.  Other examples.  There&#039;d be an outgroup-loser guy, until that point not particularly noticeable as...anything, actually.  Ferociously attacking women.  Dunking them in the pool, plastering the face with handsful of snow.  With an air of frantic aggression.  Had to be stopped by other guys.
Could have joined in with other activities.
Chose not to.
Mentioned this to my father decades ago.  He said he recalled the same thing from when he was in high school.  And he was class of 39.

I&#039;m sure there&#039;s a spectrum here, as with so many other issues.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple of items regarding new info:<br />
It&#8217;s been better than fifty years since I&#8217;ve slept well.  The wind changes and the house creaks, a bird hits the window&#8230;I&#8217;m up.  But prior to that time, I was usually pretty far gone.<br />
So I&#8217;m not sure whether to think the survivors slept through this or heard something going on and did nothing.  In the latter case, there needs to be an answer.</p>
<p>Recollecting the resentment of the outgroup-loser guy reminded me of a couple of incidents from long ago.  Free-play stuff&#8230;.two dozen high school seniors at a pool party.  Hundred freshmen and sophomores in a gigantic snowball fight when classes were called off for the next day.  Other examples.  There&#8217;d be an outgroup-loser guy, until that point not particularly noticeable as&#8230;anything, actually.  Ferociously attacking women.  Dunking them in the pool, plastering the face with handsful of snow.  With an air of frantic aggression.  Had to be stopped by other guys.<br />
Could have joined in with other activities.<br />
Chose not to.<br />
Mentioned this to my father decades ago.  He said he recalled the same thing from when he was in high school.  And he was class of 39.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s a spectrum here, as with so many other issues.</p>
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		By: anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2023 10:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Nausea&quot; is a philosophical novel by the existentialist philosopher Jean-Paul Sartre, published in 1938. It is Sartre&#039;s first novel.

The novel takes place in &#039;Bouville&#039;  literally, &#039;Mud town&#039;) a town similar to Le Havre. It comprises the thoughts and subjective experiences—in a personal diary format—of Antoine Roquentin, a melancholy and socially isolated intellectual who is residing in Bouville ostensibly for the purpose of completing a biography on a historical figure. Roquentin&#039;s growing alienation and disillusionment coincide with an increasingly intense experience of revulsion, which he calls &quot;the nausea&quot;, in which the people and things around him seem to lose all their familiar and recognizable qualities. During the winter of 1932 a &quot;sweetish sickness,&quot; which he calls &quot;the nausea&quot;, increasingly impinges on almost everything he does or enjoys. He attempts to find solace in the presence of others, but exhibits signs of boredom and lack of interest when interacting with them. Because of his aloofness to the world and the people around him, he eventually starts to doubt his own existence. 
Unemployed, living in deprived conditions, lacking human contact, being trapped in fantasies about the 18th century secret agent he is writing a book about, he establishes Sartre&#039;s oeuvre as a follow-up to Dostoevsky&#039;s &quot;Crime and Punishment&quot; in search of a precise description of schizophrenia.

However, Roquentin&#039;s predicament is not simply depression or mental illness, although his experience has pushed him to that point. Sartre presents Roquentin&#039;s difficulties as arising from man&#039;s inherent existential condition. His seemingly special situation (reclusiveness), which goes beyond the mere indication of his very real depression, is supposed to induce in him (and in the reader) a state that makes one more receptive to noticing an existential situation that everyone experiences, but may not be sensitive enough to let become consciously noticeable. Roquentin undergoes a strange metaphysical experience that estranges him from the world. His problems are not merely a result of personal insanity, which would be deprived of larger significance. Rather he is a victim of larger ideological, social, and existential forces that have brought him to the brink of insanity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nausea&#8221; is a philosophical novel by the existentialist philosopher Jean-Paul Sartre, published in 1938. It is Sartre&#8217;s first novel.</p>
<p>The novel takes place in &#8216;Bouville&#8217;  literally, &#8216;Mud town&#8217;) a town similar to Le Havre. It comprises the thoughts and subjective experiences—in a personal diary format—of Antoine Roquentin, a melancholy and socially isolated intellectual who is residing in Bouville ostensibly for the purpose of completing a biography on a historical figure. Roquentin&#8217;s growing alienation and disillusionment coincide with an increasingly intense experience of revulsion, which he calls &#8220;the nausea&#8221;, in which the people and things around him seem to lose all their familiar and recognizable qualities. During the winter of 1932 a &#8220;sweetish sickness,&#8221; which he calls &#8220;the nausea&#8221;, increasingly impinges on almost everything he does or enjoys. He attempts to find solace in the presence of others, but exhibits signs of boredom and lack of interest when interacting with them. Because of his aloofness to the world and the people around him, he eventually starts to doubt his own existence.<br />
Unemployed, living in deprived conditions, lacking human contact, being trapped in fantasies about the 18th century secret agent he is writing a book about, he establishes Sartre&#8217;s oeuvre as a follow-up to Dostoevsky&#8217;s &#8220;Crime and Punishment&#8221; in search of a precise description of schizophrenia.</p>
<p>However, Roquentin&#8217;s predicament is not simply depression or mental illness, although his experience has pushed him to that point. Sartre presents Roquentin&#8217;s difficulties as arising from man&#8217;s inherent existential condition. His seemingly special situation (reclusiveness), which goes beyond the mere indication of his very real depression, is supposed to induce in him (and in the reader) a state that makes one more receptive to noticing an existential situation that everyone experiences, but may not be sensitive enough to let become consciously noticeable. Roquentin undergoes a strange metaphysical experience that estranges him from the world. His problems are not merely a result of personal insanity, which would be deprived of larger significance. Rather he is a victim of larger ideological, social, and existential forces that have brought him to the brink of insanity.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2023 10:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Intelligence, brains.... Wasn&#039;t Ted Bundy some sort of genius mensa type? (Or maybe just in his own mind...such as it was.)

&quot;But nothing about this guy reads...&quot;
I don&#039;t know about that. &quot;This guy&quot; seems totally off the wall---&quot;I&#039;m looking forward to going back to Idaho to stand trial and clear my name&quot; (yeah, right)---perhaps even nutty enough to believe that these murders were some kind of class project. 
Extra credit...?
(Speaking of credit, the local police deserve a lot of it, for hanging in there, divulging nothing and responding patiently while taking a whole lot of flak for making it seem that they were the 21st-Century variation of rural, hokey, feckless Keystone Cops.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intelligence, brains&#8230;. Wasn&#8217;t Ted Bundy some sort of genius mensa type? (Or maybe just in his own mind&#8230;such as it was.)</p>
<p>&#8220;But nothing about this guy reads&#8230;&#8221;<br />
I don&#8217;t know about that. &#8220;This guy&#8221; seems totally off the wall&#8212;&#8220;I&#8217;m looking forward to going back to Idaho to stand trial and clear my name&#8221; (yeah, right)&#8212;perhaps even nutty enough to believe that these murders were some kind of class project.<br />
Extra credit&#8230;?<br />
(Speaking of credit, the local police deserve a lot of it, for hanging in there, divulging nothing and responding patiently while taking a whole lot of flak for making it seem that they were the 21st-Century variation of rural, hokey, feckless Keystone Cops.)</p>
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		By: anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2023 09:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A little known fact: November 13, 2022 was designated as a &quot;special day&quot; via the official authorities who assign that day it&#039;s individual cause. 

That day was defined and to be celebrated as &quot;World Kindness Day&quot;: &quot;Make the world a better place by promoting good deeds and being kind whenever possible. Carry it out as a public act.
 Bring a positive power into society, and spread it around like an infectious cold.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little known fact: November 13, 2022 was designated as a &#8220;special day&#8221; via the official authorities who assign that day it&#8217;s individual cause. </p>
<p>That day was defined and to be celebrated as &#8220;World Kindness Day&#8221;: &#8220;Make the world a better place by promoting good deeds and being kind whenever possible. Carry it out as a public act.<br />
 Bring a positive power into society, and spread it around like an infectious cold.&#8221;</p>
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		By: anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2023 09:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Leopold, with a wonderfully brilliant mind; Loeb, with an unusual intelligence; both from their very youth, crowded like hothouse plants, to learn more and more and more. Dr. Krohn says that they are intelligent. But it takes something besides brains to make a human being who can adjust himself to life.

In fact, as Dr. Church and as Dr. Singer regretfully admitted, brains are not the chief essential in human conduct. There is no question about it. The emotions are the urge that make us live; the urge that makes us work or play, or move along the pathways of life. They are the instinctive things. In fact, intellect is a late development of life. Long before it was evolved, the emotional life kept the organism in existence until death. Whatever our action is, it comes from the emotions, and nobody is balanced without them. The intellect does not count so much&quot; (Clarence Darrow)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Leopold, with a wonderfully brilliant mind; Loeb, with an unusual intelligence; both from their very youth, crowded like hothouse plants, to learn more and more and more. Dr. Krohn says that they are intelligent. But it takes something besides brains to make a human being who can adjust himself to life.</p>
<p>In fact, as Dr. Church and as Dr. Singer regretfully admitted, brains are not the chief essential in human conduct. There is no question about it. The emotions are the urge that make us live; the urge that makes us work or play, or move along the pathways of life. They are the instinctive things. In fact, intellect is a late development of life. Long before it was evolved, the emotional life kept the organism in existence until death. Whatever our action is, it comes from the emotions, and nobody is balanced without them. The intellect does not count so much&#8221; (Clarence Darrow)</p>
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		By: anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2023 08:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;After November 13, 2022, Kohberger had returned to grade student papers after the murders, in the most ordinary fashion.&quot;

Well,&quot; I said to myself, &quot;it&#039;s over. There&#039;s no turning back now. How on earth could I ever have got involved in this thing? It was horrible--more horrible even than I figured it was going to be. But that&#039;s behind me now. Somehow I never believed that it would happen--that we&#039;d actually go through with it. &quot;But it&#039;s done. &quot;And now, at least, there aren&#039;t any decisions to make. I&#039;ll be able to put all my thought on not making any slips--on staying one jump ahead of the police. But that&#039;s nonsense! Nobody&#039;s ever going to suspect me. &quot;I wish it weren&#039;t over with--that there were still time to change my mind. But what&#039;s the use of wishing things that are impossible? The thing I&#039;ve got to do now is be careful to do all the ordinary, normal things just as I&#039;ve always done them. I&#039;ll stop at a drugstore and call Connie to confirm our date for tomorrow night.&quot; ( Nathan Leopold, &quot;Life Plus Ninety-Nine Years&quot;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;After November 13, 2022, Kohberger had returned to grade student papers after the murders, in the most ordinary fashion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well,&#8221; I said to myself, &#8220;it&#8217;s over. There&#8217;s no turning back now. How on earth could I ever have got involved in this thing? It was horrible&#8211;more horrible even than I figured it was going to be. But that&#8217;s behind me now. Somehow I never believed that it would happen&#8211;that we&#8217;d actually go through with it. &#8220;But it&#8217;s done. &#8220;And now, at least, there aren&#8217;t any decisions to make. I&#8217;ll be able to put all my thought on not making any slips&#8211;on staying one jump ahead of the police. But that&#8217;s nonsense! Nobody&#8217;s ever going to suspect me. &#8220;I wish it weren&#8217;t over with&#8211;that there were still time to change my mind. But what&#8217;s the use of wishing things that are impossible? The thing I&#8217;ve got to do now is be careful to do all the ordinary, normal things just as I&#8217;ve always done them. I&#8217;ll stop at a drugstore and call Connie to confirm our date for tomorrow night.&#8221; ( Nathan Leopold, &#8220;Life Plus Ninety-Nine Years&#8221;)</p>
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		By: anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2023 08:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The impact of &quot;Compulsion&quot; on my mental state was terrific. It made me physically sick--I mean that literally. More than once I had to lay the book down and wait for the nausea to subside. Emotionally, it caused me terrific shame and induced what I guess the doctors would call a mild melancholia. I felt as I suppose a man would feel if he were exposed stark-naked under a strong spotlight before a large audience. I kept to myself as much as possible. Every stranger I eyed with the unspoken question in my mind: Wonder if he&#039;s read it. I hope--I know--that I am in no sense today the same person as that horrible, vicious, conceited, &quot;super-smart&quot;--and pathetically stupid--Judd Steiner in the book. There&#039;s only one trouble. I share a memory with the monster; a memory, that is, covering those things that actually did happen. I have been taken firmly by the arms and forced to live through, step by step, in horrible, graphic detail, the worst three years of my life. It has been a traumatic experience. But then, undergoing major surgery without benefit of an anesthetic might be expected to be painful. I can only hope that, like the surgery, this experience, too, may involve some therapy. ( Nathan Leopold, &quot;Life Plus Ninety-Nine Years&quot;)

Upon the release of the film version in 1959, Leopold sued 20th Century Fox and the producers for bringing &quot;unwanted attention&quot;  upon his life after he had been released from prison in 1958.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The impact of &#8220;Compulsion&#8221; on my mental state was terrific. It made me physically sick&#8211;I mean that literally. More than once I had to lay the book down and wait for the nausea to subside. Emotionally, it caused me terrific shame and induced what I guess the doctors would call a mild melancholia. I felt as I suppose a man would feel if he were exposed stark-naked under a strong spotlight before a large audience. I kept to myself as much as possible. Every stranger I eyed with the unspoken question in my mind: Wonder if he&#8217;s read it. I hope&#8211;I know&#8211;that I am in no sense today the same person as that horrible, vicious, conceited, &#8220;super-smart&#8221;&#8211;and pathetically stupid&#8211;Judd Steiner in the book. There&#8217;s only one trouble. I share a memory with the monster; a memory, that is, covering those things that actually did happen. I have been taken firmly by the arms and forced to live through, step by step, in horrible, graphic detail, the worst three years of my life. It has been a traumatic experience. But then, undergoing major surgery without benefit of an anesthetic might be expected to be painful. I can only hope that, like the surgery, this experience, too, may involve some therapy. ( Nathan Leopold, &#8220;Life Plus Ninety-Nine Years&#8221;)</p>
<p>Upon the release of the film version in 1959, Leopold sued 20th Century Fox and the producers for bringing &#8220;unwanted attention&#8221;  upon his life after he had been released from prison in 1958.</p>
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		By: PA+Cat		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Apropos of Leopold&#039;s comment that &quot;speedy execution of the death penalty would be much easier for us defendants than the slow, day-by-day torture of spending the rest of our lives in prison&quot;: Suppose Kohberger is found guilty and sentenced to death, how long will he get to enjoy his vegan meals in prison as his probable appeals drag on? The contrast with the 1950s is telling. When Jack Graham used a dynamite time bomb to blow up an airplane over Colorado on November 1, 1955, in order to kill his mother and collect on a life insurance policy he had just purchased for her in the airport lounge, he was charged with the crime 2-1/2 weeks after the plane went down; put on trial; found guilty in May 1956; and executed in Colorado&#039;s gas chamber in January 1957. Total elapsed time: a little over 14 months; the justice system didn&#039;t mess around in those days. 

Graham, of course, was not a graduate student in criminology and not particularly clever otherwise, so his was far from a perfect crime, but he certainly got the &quot;speedy execution&quot; that Leopold wished for. Interestingly, Graham was no incel; he had gotten married in 1953 and was already the father of two children when he blew up his mother&#039;s plane. After his execution, his widow had her and her children&#039;s last name legally changed to spare them the &quot;humiliation and shame&quot; attached to their father&#039;s crime. She died in 1992.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apropos of Leopold&#8217;s comment that &#8220;speedy execution of the death penalty would be much easier for us defendants than the slow, day-by-day torture of spending the rest of our lives in prison&#8221;: Suppose Kohberger is found guilty and sentenced to death, how long will he get to enjoy his vegan meals in prison as his probable appeals drag on? The contrast with the 1950s is telling. When Jack Graham used a dynamite time bomb to blow up an airplane over Colorado on November 1, 1955, in order to kill his mother and collect on a life insurance policy he had just purchased for her in the airport lounge, he was charged with the crime 2-1/2 weeks after the plane went down; put on trial; found guilty in May 1956; and executed in Colorado&#8217;s gas chamber in January 1957. Total elapsed time: a little over 14 months; the justice system didn&#8217;t mess around in those days. </p>
<p>Graham, of course, was not a graduate student in criminology and not particularly clever otherwise, so his was far from a perfect crime, but he certainly got the &#8220;speedy execution&#8221; that Leopold wished for. Interestingly, Graham was no incel; he had gotten married in 1953 and was already the father of two children when he blew up his mother&#8217;s plane. After his execution, his widow had her and her children&#8217;s last name legally changed to spare them the &#8220;humiliation and shame&#8221; attached to their father&#8217;s crime. She died in 1992.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2023 05:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anonymous.
Dropping the sheath is so stupid that I am almost embarrassed for the guy.
Insane rage.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous.<br />
Dropping the sheath is so stupid that I am almost embarrassed for the guy.<br />
Insane rage.</p>
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