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		By: Hubert		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/12/23/open-thread-12-23-22/#comment-2658929</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hubert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2022 14:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Miguel: I think of Bassett&#039;s &quot;Harm&#039;s Way&quot; as the naval equivalent to Anton Myrer&#039;s &quot;Once An Eagle&quot;.

Try Bassett&#039;s later novel &quot;Commander Prince, USN&quot;. It&#039;s about the commander of a four-piper destroyer in the U.S. Asiatic Fleet from the very beginning of the war through the Battle of the Java Sea and subsequent ABDA actions around the Dutch East Indies. An interesting book about a mostly forgotten theater and a forgotten fleet.

The wrecks of the warships sunk in those battles were war graves. Sadly and infuriatingly, they have been &quot;salvaged&quot; for their metal and the remains of the sailors reportedly dumped in a shallow mass grave on Java:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/22/bodies-of-second-world-war-sailors-in-java-sea-dumped-in-mass-grave]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miguel: I think of Bassett&#8217;s &#8220;Harm&#8217;s Way&#8221; as the naval equivalent to Anton Myrer&#8217;s &#8220;Once An Eagle&#8221;.</p>
<p>Try Bassett&#8217;s later novel &#8220;Commander Prince, USN&#8221;. It&#8217;s about the commander of a four-piper destroyer in the U.S. Asiatic Fleet from the very beginning of the war through the Battle of the Java Sea and subsequent ABDA actions around the Dutch East Indies. An interesting book about a mostly forgotten theater and a forgotten fleet.</p>
<p>The wrecks of the warships sunk in those battles were war graves. Sadly and infuriatingly, they have been &#8220;salvaged&#8221; for their metal and the remains of the sailors reportedly dumped in a shallow mass grave on Java:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/22/bodies-of-second-world-war-sailors-in-java-sea-dumped-in-mass-grave" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/22/bodies-of-second-world-war-sailors-in-java-sea-dumped-in-mass-grave</a></p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2022 05:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So by TJ logic all history in the USA since the Civil War has just been a march of corruption and dishonesty?  Or were the &quot;ruling class&quot; part and parcel of the Civil War?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So by TJ logic all history in the USA since the Civil War has just been a march of corruption and dishonesty?  Or were the &#8220;ruling class&#8221; part and parcel of the Civil War?</p>
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		By: TJ		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/12/23/open-thread-12-23-22/#comment-2658904</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2022 01:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To answer physicsguy’s endorsement of JohnTyler and retort, “At what point does the level of corruption and dishonesty cause a true reckoning?”

WHEN THE PEOPLE ARE VIOLENT ENOUGH TO GET THE RULING CLASS WELL AND GOOD FEARFUL FOR THEIR SAFETY.

Until such time, nothing will happen but more of the same.

THAT’S what history teaches us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer physicsguy’s endorsement of JohnTyler and retort, “At what point does the level of corruption and dishonesty cause a true reckoning?”</p>
<p>WHEN THE PEOPLE ARE VIOLENT ENOUGH TO GET THE RULING CLASS WELL AND GOOD FEARFUL FOR THEIR SAFETY.</p>
<p>Until such time, nothing will happen but more of the same.</p>
<p>THAT’S what history teaches us.</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/12/23/open-thread-12-23-22/#comment-2658848</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2022 19:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was watching in harms way premingers adaptation of james bassett (ikes press secretary) war time novel. It opens on the night before pearl harbor where many characters lives are changed including kurt douglas&#039;s character]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was watching in harms way premingers adaptation of james bassett (ikes press secretary) war time novel. It opens on the night before pearl harbor where many characters lives are changed including kurt douglas&#8217;s character</p>
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		By: SHIREHOME		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/12/23/open-thread-12-23-22/#comment-2658845</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2022 19:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The USS Utah is also still there, on the other side of Ford Island. It too has Men entombed and is a War Grave. There have been Men that served on her at Pearl that have requested that their ashes be laid to rest with their Shipmates.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The USS Utah is also still there, on the other side of Ford Island. It too has Men entombed and is a War Grave. There have been Men that served on her at Pearl that have requested that their ashes be laid to rest with their Shipmates.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/12/23/open-thread-12-23-22/#comment-2658839</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2022 19:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; I cannot picture MacArthur, Nimitz, or Halsey going to work as lobbyists for the defense industry following their long and distinguished military careers,&lt;/i&gt;

MacArthur was offered and accepted the position of chairman of the board of Remington Rand.  His annual director&#039;s fees amounted to 3x his Army pension.  He and his wife lived in style on the Upper East Side.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> I cannot picture MacArthur, Nimitz, or Halsey going to work as lobbyists for the defense industry following their long and distinguished military careers,</i></p>
<p>MacArthur was offered and accepted the position of chairman of the board of Remington Rand.  His annual director&#8217;s fees amounted to 3x his Army pension.  He and his wife lived in style on the Upper East Side.</p>
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		By: JJ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2022 19:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was 12 when VJ Day was announced. I remember it as a few days of relieved celebration.  People driving down the street honking their horns. People displaying their flags.  Smiles and good will were everywhere. Some businesses closed to give their employees a day or two to celebrate.  

Like Pearl Harbor, I knew my life would change, and maybe for the better. And it did.
I look on the period from 1945 to 1950 as being a very happy time.  What a monumental event it was. 

Here&#039;s a short video of Honolulu celebrating.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=video+of+VJ+Day+cel%2cebrations+in+Honolulu&#038;view=detail&#038;mid=64A2C9541812FFC905D064A2C9541812FFC905D0&#038;FORM=VIRE]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was 12 when VJ Day was announced. I remember it as a few days of relieved celebration.  People driving down the street honking their horns. People displaying their flags.  Smiles and good will were everywhere. Some businesses closed to give their employees a day or two to celebrate.  </p>
<p>Like Pearl Harbor, I knew my life would change, and maybe for the better. And it did.<br />
I look on the period from 1945 to 1950 as being a very happy time.  What a monumental event it was. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a short video of Honolulu celebrating.<br />
<a href="https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=video+of+VJ+Day+cel%2cebrations+in+Honolulu&#038;view=detail&#038;mid=64A2C9541812FFC905D064A2C9541812FFC905D0&#038;FORM=VIRE" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=video+of+VJ+Day+cel%2cebrations+in+Honolulu&#038;view=detail&#038;mid=64A2C9541812FFC905D064A2C9541812FFC905D0&#038;FORM=VIRE</a></p>
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		By: physicsguy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/12/23/open-thread-12-23-22/#comment-2658837</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2022 19:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JohnTyler,

2 thumbs up for your comments on Maricopa and the FBI... that&#039;s exactly what will happen.  No wonder we are all so cynical.

At what point does the level of corruption and dishonesty cause a true reckoning?  Maybe a long way off.  I keep thinking that if I didn&#039;t follow the news in general, and the reporting from conservative sites, none of this would have much effect in my daily life.  Most likely only as people are being shipped off to camps will it dawn on the population what has happened; and it will be too late by then.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JohnTyler,</p>
<p>2 thumbs up for your comments on Maricopa and the FBI&#8230; that&#8217;s exactly what will happen.  No wonder we are all so cynical.</p>
<p>At what point does the level of corruption and dishonesty cause a true reckoning?  Maybe a long way off.  I keep thinking that if I didn&#8217;t follow the news in general, and the reporting from conservative sites, none of this would have much effect in my daily life.  Most likely only as people are being shipped off to camps will it dawn on the population what has happened; and it will be too late by then.</p>
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		By: JohnTyler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JohnTyler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2022 18:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Compare the uniforms the top US generals wore back then with those worn today; even their dress uniforms. 
Back then, they were rather minimalist in regards to how much stuff was pinned on their uniforms. 

Now look at what the top present day US generals wear; they look like Latin American tin pot military dictators with dozens of colorful pins affixed to the front of their uniforms. One would think they had single-handily defeated the Taliban in Afghanistan !!
Oops, I forgot; they executed the most disorganized, pathetic, negligent, incompetent, worst withdrawal of probably any &quot;organized&#039; army in the history of the USA. 
Regardless, they probably have pinned to their colorful uniforms some sort of service pin - suitably color coded - demonstrating their Afghan service. 
 
Not sure what changed, but IMHO, it was not for the better. 

Changing topics. 

RE: Maricopa County, Kari Lake trial. 
Here is my cynical prediction. 
The judge (or is it a jury?) will rule that despite all sorts of voting irregularities, it did not change the outcome of the election. Therefore, the election results will stand.
Just one more &quot;win&quot; for cheating demokrats and one more sitting around with their thumbs up their ass for the republican &quot;leadership.&quot; 

Re: the FBI and Twitter

When it&#039;s all said and done -even if the next president and senate and house all  are republican dominated - no one will be punished or held to account. 
A few folks may be forced to retire (with handsome pensions, paid for by you and me) , but they will just move on to highly paid positions with the media,  some university or think tank.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compare the uniforms the top US generals wore back then with those worn today; even their dress uniforms.<br />
Back then, they were rather minimalist in regards to how much stuff was pinned on their uniforms. </p>
<p>Now look at what the top present day US generals wear; they look like Latin American tin pot military dictators with dozens of colorful pins affixed to the front of their uniforms. One would think they had single-handily defeated the Taliban in Afghanistan !!<br />
Oops, I forgot; they executed the most disorganized, pathetic, negligent, incompetent, worst withdrawal of probably any &#8220;organized&#8217; army in the history of the USA.<br />
Regardless, they probably have pinned to their colorful uniforms some sort of service pin &#8211; suitably color coded &#8211; demonstrating their Afghan service. </p>
<p>Not sure what changed, but IMHO, it was not for the better. </p>
<p>Changing topics. </p>
<p>RE: Maricopa County, Kari Lake trial.<br />
Here is my cynical prediction.<br />
The judge (or is it a jury?) will rule that despite all sorts of voting irregularities, it did not change the outcome of the election. Therefore, the election results will stand.<br />
Just one more &#8220;win&#8221; for cheating demokrats and one more sitting around with their thumbs up their ass for the republican &#8220;leadership.&#8221; </p>
<p>Re: the FBI and Twitter</p>
<p>When it&#8217;s all said and done -even if the next president and senate and house all  are republican dominated &#8211; no one will be punished or held to account.<br />
A few folks may be forced to retire (with handsome pensions, paid for by you and me) , but they will just move on to highly paid positions with the media,  some university or think tank.</p>
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		By: physicsguy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/12/23/open-thread-12-23-22/#comment-2658829</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2022 18:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Chases Eagles,

Everyone was allowed to take pictures at the Arizona, but all were required to maintain absolute silence for those entombed below us.  No problem with any pictures on the Missouri...what an amazing vessel it is.   Again, I wish Neo would allow images to be posted here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chases Eagles,</p>
<p>Everyone was allowed to take pictures at the Arizona, but all were required to maintain absolute silence for those entombed below us.  No problem with any pictures on the Missouri&#8230;what an amazing vessel it is.   Again, I wish Neo would allow images to be posted here.</p>
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