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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2022 04:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brian E and Banned:

Something to consider, you might learn something:

&lt;b&gt;Perun: The Biggest Challenges for Ukraine &#124; Jake Broe Podcast (E011) @PerunAU&lt;/b&gt;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWAkUWqdfBY

Note Jake Broe is not &quot;objective&quot; he typically starts his videos with &quot;Day XXX in Russia&#039;s disastrous war in Ukraine.&quot;  

So he won&#039;t sing Vlad&#039;s praises, sorry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian E and Banned:</p>
<p>Something to consider, you might learn something:</p>
<p><b>Perun: The Biggest Challenges for Ukraine | Jake Broe Podcast (E011) @PerunAU</b></p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWAkUWqdfBY" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWAkUWqdfBY</a></p>
<p>Note Jake Broe is not &#8220;objective&#8221; he typically starts his videos with &#8220;Day XXX in Russia&#8217;s disastrous war in Ukraine.&#8221;  </p>
<p>So he won&#8217;t sing Vlad&#8217;s praises, sorry.</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/12/17/open-thread-12-17-22/#comment-2658187</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2022 00:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Because its there

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/12/why_are_communists_determined_to_destroy_the_us.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because its there</p>
<p><a href="https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/12/why_are_communists_determined_to_destroy_the_us.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/12/why_are_communists_determined_to_destroy_the_us.html</a></p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/12/17/open-thread-12-17-22/#comment-2658184</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2022 00:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Since it is still an open thread; Ukraine war update:

&lt;b&gt;Bakhmut &#038; The Ukraine Trench War - fortifications, attrition, and lessons - Perun&lt;/b&gt;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fqHERDXVpk

Note that one of Vlad&#039;s rationalizations for his invasion was to protect the people of Donbas from Ukrainian shelling, except that prior to his little operation the rate was ~ 25 killed per year for all causes (mines, arty, small arms, etc.) now it is orders of magnitude higher, and Roosians are doing most of the killing.  Funny that. 

And a more granular post:

&lt;b&gt;Update on the Battle for Bakhmut: Russia Pushed back from Garbage Heap and Fedora Maksymenka Street -Suchomimus&lt;/b&gt;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH_vKR_AMnM&#038;t=13s

Or a more global military analysis:

&lt;b&gt;Cyber Lessons of the Russo-Ukrainian War with Shashank Josi - on Midrats  Saturday, December 17, 2022&lt;/b&gt;

https://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since it is still an open thread; Ukraine war update:</p>
<p><b>Bakhmut &amp; The Ukraine Trench War &#8211; fortifications, attrition, and lessons &#8211; Perun</b></p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fqHERDXVpk" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fqHERDXVpk</a></p>
<p>Note that one of Vlad&#8217;s rationalizations for his invasion was to protect the people of Donbas from Ukrainian shelling, except that prior to his little operation the rate was ~ 25 killed per year for all causes (mines, arty, small arms, etc.) now it is orders of magnitude higher, and Roosians are doing most of the killing.  Funny that. </p>
<p>And a more granular post:</p>
<p><b>Update on the Battle for Bakhmut: Russia Pushed back from Garbage Heap and Fedora Maksymenka Street -Suchomimus</b></p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH_vKR_AMnM&#038;t=13s" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH_vKR_AMnM&#038;t=13s</a></p>
<p>Or a more global military analysis:</p>
<p><b>Cyber Lessons of the Russo-Ukrainian War with Shashank Josi &#8211; on Midrats  Saturday, December 17, 2022</b></p>
<p><a href="https://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/12/17/open-thread-12-17-22/#comment-2658165</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2022 20:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How did i forget diem

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/12/deep_state_suspicions.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did i forget diem</p>
<p><a href="https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/12/deep_state_suspicions.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/12/deep_state_suspicions.html</a></p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/12/17/open-thread-12-17-22/#comment-2658164</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh


https://twitter.com/EvaVlaar/status/1604403106275639296]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh</p>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/EvaVlaar/status/1604403106275639296" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/EvaVlaar/status/1604403106275639296</a></p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/12/17/open-thread-12-17-22/#comment-2658159</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Russian history is afflicted with at least one high profile assassination and a bunch of lesser profile ones the latter came from the social revolutionaries who in turn had a man inside their org azev he was no 2 or 3 in the org one of their operatives bogaev was closely watched by the okrana according to solzhenitsyn they  was in their interest to dispatch stolypin one of their best ministers this is the lesson the soviets took from their history]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russian history is afflicted with at least one high profile assassination and a bunch of lesser profile ones the latter came from the social revolutionaries who in turn had a man inside their org azev he was no 2 or 3 in the org one of their operatives bogaev was closely watched by the okrana according to solzhenitsyn they  was in their interest to dispatch stolypin one of their best ministers this is the lesson the soviets took from their history</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/12/17/open-thread-12-17-22/#comment-2658155</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2022 18:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brian E:

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/16/jfk-kennedy-assasination-new-documents-national-archive&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;See this&lt;/a&gt; [emphasis mine]:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Thursday’s release of thousands of documents means that 95% of the CIA’s records on the assassination are now available to the public. As a final step there will be an “intensive one-year review” of any remaining closed files before &lt;b&gt;a complete opening of the books by 30 June 2023.&lt;/b&gt;

The unveiling of the CIA documents has been delayed for years. In 1992, Congress ordered their full release by October 2017, but the deadline was pushed back by presidential decrees from both Donald Trump and Joe Biden.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But nothing will ever satisfy JFK conspiracy buffs.

Again, if you&#039;re interested in the subject at all, you owe it to yourself to read at least the first few hundred pages of Bugliosi&#039;s book.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian E:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/16/jfk-kennedy-assasination-new-documents-national-archive" rel="nofollow ugc">See this</a> [emphasis mine]:</p>
<blockquote><p>Thursday’s release of thousands of documents means that 95% of the CIA’s records on the assassination are now available to the public. As a final step there will be an “intensive one-year review” of any remaining closed files before <b>a complete opening of the books by 30 June 2023.</b></p>
<p>The unveiling of the CIA documents has been delayed for years. In 1992, Congress ordered their full release by October 2017, but the deadline was pushed back by presidential decrees from both Donald Trump and Joe Biden.</p></blockquote>
<p>But nothing will ever satisfy JFK conspiracy buffs.</p>
<p>Again, if you&#8217;re interested in the subject at all, you owe it to yourself to read at least the first few hundred pages of Bugliosi&#8217;s book.</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/12/17/open-thread-12-17-22/#comment-2658151</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2022 18:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well he got the bottom of the &#039;brain washing&#039; operation by the chinese like some of the gitmo interrogators they tried to reverse engineer the findings

The &#039;successful&#039; terminations have been very rare a gang of thugs who iced lumumba, trujillo at the hand of some dissidents prats and schneider similarly in chile. Shooters have been least successful]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well he got the bottom of the &#8216;brain washing&#8217; operation by the chinese like some of the gitmo interrogators they tried to reverse engineer the findings</p>
<p>The &#8216;successful&#8217; terminations have been very rare a gang of thugs who iced lumumba, trujillo at the hand of some dissidents prats and schneider similarly in chile. Shooters have been least successful</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2022 17:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;However, my ears really pricked up when O’Neill mentioned Dr. Jolyon “Jolly” West as the first psychiatrist to interview Jack Ruby and issue the devastating diagnosis that Ruby was “psychotic” and “delusional.” O’Neill had made the connection, as others have, that West was a key psychiatrist with the CIA’s MKULTRA mind control. project, intended to create programmed assassins. How was Jolly West at the top of the shrinks list to talk to Ruby after Ruby’s bizarre murder of Oswald in the basement of the Dallas Police Station?&lt;/i&gt;

See Shana Alexander&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Anyone&#039;s Daughter&lt;/i&gt; on Louis Jolyon West, MD. (Then on the faculty of one of the UC campuses).  Dr. West was one of the defense witnesses at the Patty Hearst trial, having previously been commissioned by the federal court to produce a report on her competence to stand trial.  Shana Alexander rather liked him personally.  Alexander is sparing about offering her opinions directly.  She lets other figures offer commentary about West which taken collectively point to her conclusion.  Her opinion, offered through these voices, was that Dr. West was the linchpin of stupidity in the case, the ultimate author of the incredible defense F. Lee Bailey offered of his client at trial.  

In the course of her profile of West, she offers a bit of anonymous commentary by another academic she&#039;d located.  He in her telling referred to West as &#039;an opportunistic psychiatrist-executive who has made not one original contribution to psychiatric thinking.  A high level hack&#039;.  I once buttonholed Haroutun Babigian, then chief of psychiatry at the University of Rochester, and asked what he thought of this characterization of West.  HB was absolutely deadpan: &quot;He can take it&quot;.  

I don&#039;t think this guy was the mustache twirling villain you imagine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>However, my ears really pricked up when O’Neill mentioned Dr. Jolyon “Jolly” West as the first psychiatrist to interview Jack Ruby and issue the devastating diagnosis that Ruby was “psychotic” and “delusional.” O’Neill had made the connection, as others have, that West was a key psychiatrist with the CIA’s MKULTRA mind control. project, intended to create programmed assassins. How was Jolly West at the top of the shrinks list to talk to Ruby after Ruby’s bizarre murder of Oswald in the basement of the Dallas Police Station?</i></p>
<p>See Shana Alexander&#8217;s <i>Anyone&#8217;s Daughter</i> on Louis Jolyon West, MD. (Then on the faculty of one of the UC campuses).  Dr. West was one of the defense witnesses at the Patty Hearst trial, having previously been commissioned by the federal court to produce a report on her competence to stand trial.  Shana Alexander rather liked him personally.  Alexander is sparing about offering her opinions directly.  She lets other figures offer commentary about West which taken collectively point to her conclusion.  Her opinion, offered through these voices, was that Dr. West was the linchpin of stupidity in the case, the ultimate author of the incredible defense F. Lee Bailey offered of his client at trial.  </p>
<p>In the course of her profile of West, she offers a bit of anonymous commentary by another academic she&#8217;d located.  He in her telling referred to West as &#8216;an opportunistic psychiatrist-executive who has made not one original contribution to psychiatric thinking.  A high level hack&#8217;.  I once buttonholed Haroutun Babigian, then chief of psychiatry at the University of Rochester, and asked what he thought of this characterization of West.  HB was absolutely deadpan: &#8220;He can take it&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this guy was the mustache twirling villain you imagine.</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/12/17/open-thread-12-17-22/#comment-2658146</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2022 17:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Because they screwed up they knew where oswald was comjng from where he has been mexico city and minsk what he had done (re the u2 flight pattern and general walker) they were watching the dre and yet he slipped through their fingers]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because they screwed up they knew where oswald was comjng from where he has been mexico city and minsk what he had done (re the u2 flight pattern and general walker) they were watching the dre and yet he slipped through their fingers</p>
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