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		By: Abraxas		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[There might have been a similar drop-off in voter turn out if it were the governor&#039;s race than needed a run-off.  People find it easier to take the time to vote on election day than a month later.  But there wouldn&#039;t have been a run-off for governor.  In state and local elections people vote for incumbents, for competence, and for pocketbook issues.  Federal elections are more of a &quot;free vote&quot; when you can vote your ideology, rather than your immediate concerns, so people who voted Republican in GA or NH state elections could indulge their emotions in the US Senate races.

If you are in New Hampshire, you may remember or may have heard of when what never happens actually did happen.  The 1974 US Senate race was so close (2 votes?) that there actually was a &quot;do over.&quot;  That wouldn&#039;t happen now.  The country, and probably New Hampshire, are different and more divided, and cheating ensures that a margin that close will probably be &quot;fortified&quot; to ensure a more defendable outcome.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There might have been a similar drop-off in voter turn out if it were the governor&#8217;s race than needed a run-off.  People find it easier to take the time to vote on election day than a month later.  But there wouldn&#8217;t have been a run-off for governor.  In state and local elections people vote for incumbents, for competence, and for pocketbook issues.  Federal elections are more of a &#8220;free vote&#8221; when you can vote your ideology, rather than your immediate concerns, so people who voted Republican in GA or NH state elections could indulge their emotions in the US Senate races.</p>
<p>If you are in New Hampshire, you may remember or may have heard of when what never happens actually did happen.  The 1974 US Senate race was so close (2 votes?) that there actually was a &#8220;do over.&#8221;  That wouldn&#8217;t happen now.  The country, and probably New Hampshire, are different and more divided, and cheating ensures that a margin that close will probably be &#8220;fortified&#8221; to ensure a more defendable outcome.</p>
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		By: Turtler		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2022 17:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Barry Meislin.

&lt;blockquote&gt; No, BB is not a troll. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I disagree, or at a minimum their conduct is so repulsive and dishonest that there is basically little difference.

&lt;blockquote&gt; He’s just very, very upset…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was prepared to accept this explanation and gave due benefit of the doubt until I saw the pattern of their comments.

Especially the one on here.

https://www.thenewneo.com/2022/12/07/divided-party-united-party/

Which is what really triggered me to lose it.

In a discussion about the unity of the Democrats and the division of the Republican Party - which our host (who again hardly worships at the golden calf of God-Emperor Trump) pointed out long ago - BB immediately went on to rant about Trump. Completely and solely blaming Trump, in spite of the obvious fact to those of us with a historical memory going back before 2015 that the splits in the Republican Party well pre-date Trump, and while he exacerbated and changed some of them he obviously did not cause the fundamental situation.

So I lost it and let BB have it for his disgusting smears and dishonesty with both barrels. And I completely stand by what I wrote.

Moreover, I&#039;m far from the only person who noticed this and agreed, and far from all are uncritical Trump worshippers.

&lt;blockquote&gt; Kate on December 8, 2022 at 10:53 am said:
Well, Turtler, I am one of several who are expressing doubt about Trump’s ability to lead us to victory in 2024. You may disagree with that (I don’t know if you do), but that commenter you skewered isn’t sincere at all, in my opinion.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Simply put, BB is a troll or their conduct is so atrocious, two-faced, and disingenuous that they are essentially no different from a troll.  Made all the worse because they are barely able to give even a cursory denunciation of Biden, and never on a level exceeding that of Trump in spite of how all of us in our right mind can see that for all the problems with Cheeto Champ, he is a far better man than Biden and his ilk.

&lt;blockquote&gt; and, understandably (well, in some cases, and for some people), if you’re very, very upset—I mean terribly, outrageously upset—YOU HAVE TO lash out. YOU HAVE TO blame someone…
QED.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m sorry, but I worked in counseling for months as a volunteer. I have no sympathy for this.

The urge to lash out is understandable, but actually lashing out against people who -at a minimum - do not deserve it nearly as much as claimed is a despicable act. One I have no sympathy for in this case. The fact that BB prefers to engage in holier-than-thou friendly fire (and often on nakedly false pretenses) while lashing out is just the clincher.

If BB wishes to have my sympathy or even my tolerance, they need to grow the hell up and hate the Leftist radicals more than he does Trump.

&lt;blockquote&gt; (It might be what others would consider the easy way out…but c’est la vie…)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;d be more prepared to understand or tolerate this if it actually was a way out, easy or not. But it&#039;s not. It is sophistry and attacking someone who is not primarily responsible for our problems.

&lt;blockquote&gt; File under: In sorrow AND in anger…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve dealt with plenty of more or less sincere Trump critics, and our host is now increasingly one of them. And the kicker is they tend to have consistent standards and more depth and consistency than a puddle.

If BB does have such, they have shown absolutely zero indication that I have seen, and I have no reason to suffer it any further.

I file it under &quot;Dishonest Concern Troll Scum.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Barry Meislin.</p>
<blockquote><p> No, BB is not a troll. </p></blockquote>
<p>I disagree, or at a minimum their conduct is so repulsive and dishonest that there is basically little difference.</p>
<blockquote><p> He’s just very, very upset…</p></blockquote>
<p>I was prepared to accept this explanation and gave due benefit of the doubt until I saw the pattern of their comments.</p>
<p>Especially the one on here.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2022/12/07/divided-party-united-party/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thenewneo.com/2022/12/07/divided-party-united-party/</a></p>
<p>Which is what really triggered me to lose it.</p>
<p>In a discussion about the unity of the Democrats and the division of the Republican Party &#8211; which our host (who again hardly worships at the golden calf of God-Emperor Trump) pointed out long ago &#8211; BB immediately went on to rant about Trump. Completely and solely blaming Trump, in spite of the obvious fact to those of us with a historical memory going back before 2015 that the splits in the Republican Party well pre-date Trump, and while he exacerbated and changed some of them he obviously did not cause the fundamental situation.</p>
<p>So I lost it and let BB have it for his disgusting smears and dishonesty with both barrels. And I completely stand by what I wrote.</p>
<p>Moreover, I&#8217;m far from the only person who noticed this and agreed, and far from all are uncritical Trump worshippers.</p>
<blockquote><p> Kate on December 8, 2022 at 10:53 am said:<br />
Well, Turtler, I am one of several who are expressing doubt about Trump’s ability to lead us to victory in 2024. You may disagree with that (I don’t know if you do), but that commenter you skewered isn’t sincere at all, in my opinion.</p></blockquote>
<p>Simply put, BB is a troll or their conduct is so atrocious, two-faced, and disingenuous that they are essentially no different from a troll.  Made all the worse because they are barely able to give even a cursory denunciation of Biden, and never on a level exceeding that of Trump in spite of how all of us in our right mind can see that for all the problems with Cheeto Champ, he is a far better man than Biden and his ilk.</p>
<blockquote><p> and, understandably (well, in some cases, and for some people), if you’re very, very upset—I mean terribly, outrageously upset—YOU HAVE TO lash out. YOU HAVE TO blame someone…<br />
QED.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but I worked in counseling for months as a volunteer. I have no sympathy for this.</p>
<p>The urge to lash out is understandable, but actually lashing out against people who -at a minimum &#8211; do not deserve it nearly as much as claimed is a despicable act. One I have no sympathy for in this case. The fact that BB prefers to engage in holier-than-thou friendly fire (and often on nakedly false pretenses) while lashing out is just the clincher.</p>
<p>If BB wishes to have my sympathy or even my tolerance, they need to grow the hell up and hate the Leftist radicals more than he does Trump.</p>
<blockquote><p> (It might be what others would consider the easy way out…but c’est la vie…)</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d be more prepared to understand or tolerate this if it actually was a way out, easy or not. But it&#8217;s not. It is sophistry and attacking someone who is not primarily responsible for our problems.</p>
<blockquote><p> File under: In sorrow AND in anger…</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve dealt with plenty of more or less sincere Trump critics, and our host is now increasingly one of them. And the kicker is they tend to have consistent standards and more depth and consistency than a puddle.</p>
<p>If BB does have such, they have shown absolutely zero indication that I have seen, and I have no reason to suffer it any further.</p>
<p>I file it under &#8220;Dishonest Concern Troll Scum.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Ray SoCa		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray SoCa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2022 15:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Best analysis so far of the GA Election I have read.  And from the Federalist, where the co founder Ben Domenech is married to Megan McCain (so not a huge supporter of MAGA).

3 Unsexy Reasons Warnock Beat Walker 
https://thefederalist.com/2022/12/07/3-unsexy-reasons-warnock-beat-walker-in-the-georgia-runoff/

1. Walker was outspent 3X
2. Dem Ground Game was 10X the size of the GOP. GOP spent minimal on ground game (gotta pay those consultants).
3. Dem Lawfare was substantial.

With all these negatives, it&#039;s amazing that Walker came that close.

Just think what the results would have been if the GOP Establishment fully supported Walker, and the funding was equal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best analysis so far of the GA Election I have read.  And from the Federalist, where the co founder Ben Domenech is married to Megan McCain (so not a huge supporter of MAGA).</p>
<p>3 Unsexy Reasons Warnock Beat Walker<br />
<a href="https://thefederalist.com/2022/12/07/3-unsexy-reasons-warnock-beat-walker-in-the-georgia-runoff/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://thefederalist.com/2022/12/07/3-unsexy-reasons-warnock-beat-walker-in-the-georgia-runoff/</a></p>
<p>1. Walker was outspent 3X<br />
2. Dem Ground Game was 10X the size of the GOP. GOP spent minimal on ground game (gotta pay those consultants).<br />
3. Dem Lawfare was substantial.</p>
<p>With all these negatives, it&#8217;s amazing that Walker came that close.</p>
<p>Just think what the results would have been if the GOP Establishment fully supported Walker, and the funding was equal.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2022 08:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, BB is not a troll.
He&#039;s just very, very upset...and, understandably (well, in some cases, and for some people), if you&#039;re very, very upset---I mean terribly, outrageously upset---YOU HAVE TO lash out. YOU HAVE TO blame someone...
QED.
(It might be what others would consider the easy way out...but c&#039;est la vie...)
 
File under: In sorrow AND in anger...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, BB is not a troll.<br />
He&#8217;s just very, very upset&#8230;and, understandably (well, in some cases, and for some people), if you&#8217;re very, very upset&#8212;I mean terribly, outrageously upset&#8212;YOU HAVE TO lash out. YOU HAVE TO blame someone&#8230;<br />
QED.<br />
(It might be what others would consider the easy way out&#8230;but c&#8217;est la vie&#8230;)</p>
<p>File under: In sorrow AND in anger&#8230;</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2022 08:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OK, OK...but when yer sending in ballots hot off the press, why would anyone in their right mind expect them to be folded?
(Especially when there is a huge time constraint...I mean you can&#039;t just STOP COUNTING BALLOTS for as long as you want to!... Someone might just notice...)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, OK&#8230;but when yer sending in ballots hot off the press, why would anyone in their right mind expect them to be folded?<br />
(Especially when there is a huge time constraint&#8230;I mean you can&#8217;t just STOP COUNTING BALLOTS for as long as you want to!&#8230; Someone might just notice&#8230;)</p>
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		By: Banned Lizard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Banned Lizard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2022 08:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When the topic is Georgia elections, it&#039;s hard to forget those &lt;a href=&quot;http://preview.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/06/08/why_a_judge_has_georgia_vote_fraud_on_his_mind_stacks_of_pristine_mail_ballots_for_biden_779795.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;stacks of pristine ballots&lt;/a&gt; that got counted in 2020.

I call them &quot;The Pristines.&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://preview.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/06/08/why_a_judge_has_georgia_vote_fraud_on_his_mind_stacks_of_pristine_mail_ballots_for_biden_779795.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;When Fulton County, Ga., poll manager Suzi Voyles sorted through a large stack of mail-in ballots last November, she noticed an alarmingly odd pattern of uniformity in the markings for Joseph R. Biden. One after another, the absentee votes contained perfectly filled-in ovals for Biden — except that each of the darkened bubbles featured an identical white void inside them in the shape of a tiny crescent, indicating they&#039;d been marked with toner ink instead of a pen or pencil.

Adding to suspicions, she noticed that all of the ballots were printed on different stock paper than the others she handled as part of a statewide hand recount of the razor-thin Nov. 3 presidential election. And &lt;b&gt;none was folded or creased&lt;/b&gt;, as she typically observed in mail-in ballots that had been removed from envelopes...
&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the topic is Georgia elections, it&#8217;s hard to forget those <a href="http://preview.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/06/08/why_a_judge_has_georgia_vote_fraud_on_his_mind_stacks_of_pristine_mail_ballots_for_biden_779795.html" rel="nofollow ugc">stacks of pristine ballots</a> that got counted in 2020.</p>
<p>I call them &#8220;The Pristines.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://preview.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/06/08/why_a_judge_has_georgia_vote_fraud_on_his_mind_stacks_of_pristine_mail_ballots_for_biden_779795.html" rel="nofollow ugc"><i>When Fulton County, Ga., poll manager Suzi Voyles sorted through a large stack of mail-in ballots last November, she noticed an alarmingly odd pattern of uniformity in the markings for Joseph R. Biden. One after another, the absentee votes contained perfectly filled-in ovals for Biden — except that each of the darkened bubbles featured an identical white void inside them in the shape of a tiny crescent, indicating they&#8217;d been marked with toner ink instead of a pen or pencil.</p>
<p>Adding to suspicions, she noticed that all of the ballots were printed on different stock paper than the others she handled as part of a statewide hand recount of the razor-thin Nov. 3 presidential election. And <b>none was folded or creased</b>, as she typically observed in mail-in ballots that had been removed from envelopes&#8230;<br />
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		By: Ackler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ackler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2022 06:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yesterday&#039;s result was not surprising; and I really can&#039;t work up much anger or sadness about it either. Oh sure, I understand the serious national impact is will have. And were I a Georgia resident, I would have voted for Walker without hesitation (I&#039;m pretty much a Yellow Dog Anti-Democrat). But c&#039;mon, Walker was an awful candidate. Truly terrible. 

I&#039;m not against celebrity candidates per se, but they need to be competent, articulate, clever and not have a sordid past. Walker was none of those things. Oz in Pennsylvania was only slightly better. Both of the seats were winnable (and thus, control of the Senate) with stronger candidates. Instead the GOP has the ignominy of having lost to a guy with serious brain damage who can barely utter a coherent sentence and to Jeremiah Wright, the next generation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday&#8217;s result was not surprising; and I really can&#8217;t work up much anger or sadness about it either. Oh sure, I understand the serious national impact is will have. And were I a Georgia resident, I would have voted for Walker without hesitation (I&#8217;m pretty much a Yellow Dog Anti-Democrat). But c&#8217;mon, Walker was an awful candidate. Truly terrible. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not against celebrity candidates per se, but they need to be competent, articulate, clever and not have a sordid past. Walker was none of those things. Oz in Pennsylvania was only slightly better. Both of the seats were winnable (and thus, control of the Senate) with stronger candidates. Instead the GOP has the ignominy of having lost to a guy with serious brain damage who can barely utter a coherent sentence and to Jeremiah Wright, the next generation.</p>
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		By: Turtler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Turtler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2022 05:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@BrooklynBoy

Concern Troll Goes Trolling Again.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Hershel Walker joins the crowd of Douglas Mastriano, Mehmet Oz, Sharron Angle, Christine O’Donnell, Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock, Roy Moore, and countless others who are/were absolutely abysmal. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

If being &quot;absolutely abysmal&quot; was decisive, than the elections elsewhere in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Alaska, and Ohio would have been very different. There have been a lot of absolutely abysmal candidates on slate for the past few years, and many of the worst WON. You don&#039;t seem to want to acknowledge that because people like Fetterman and Warnock were Leftist Democrats, and it also kneecaps your &quot;Blame Trump All The Time&quot; train precisely BECAUSE it points to deeper issues that can&#039;t be explained by your one stop shop for understanding Life, the Universe, and Everythin.

&lt;blockquote&gt; Also I always felt that no matter what your personal opinion of Roe v. Wade is, the abortion issue was going to one day come back and bite the Republican Party on its backside good and hard.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But it has been biting the Republican Party for many decades. We know the difference

We also know from persistent election returns and polling that it isn&#039;t biting them THAT hard. Something else is at play, and it isn&#039;t abortion, or Trump, or the other pad examples you and other concern trolls like to play at.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BrooklynBoy</p>
<p>Concern Troll Goes Trolling Again.</p>
<blockquote><p>Hershel Walker joins the crowd of Douglas Mastriano, Mehmet Oz, Sharron Angle, Christine O’Donnell, Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock, Roy Moore, and countless others who are/were absolutely abysmal. </p></blockquote>
<p>If being &#8220;absolutely abysmal&#8221; was decisive, than the elections elsewhere in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Alaska, and Ohio would have been very different. There have been a lot of absolutely abysmal candidates on slate for the past few years, and many of the worst WON. You don&#8217;t seem to want to acknowledge that because people like Fetterman and Warnock were Leftist Democrats, and it also kneecaps your &#8220;Blame Trump All The Time&#8221; train precisely BECAUSE it points to deeper issues that can&#8217;t be explained by your one stop shop for understanding Life, the Universe, and Everythin.</p>
<blockquote><p> Also I always felt that no matter what your personal opinion of Roe v. Wade is, the abortion issue was going to one day come back and bite the Republican Party on its backside good and hard.</p></blockquote>
<p>But it has been biting the Republican Party for many decades. We know the difference</p>
<p>We also know from persistent election returns and polling that it isn&#8217;t biting them THAT hard. Something else is at play, and it isn&#8217;t abortion, or Trump, or the other pad examples you and other concern trolls like to play at.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2022 03:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I find that Walker&#039;s vote &#039;loss anomaly&#039; in just four minutes prima facie evidence of electoral fraud. 

What other explanation might there be? 

Same tactic led to Kari Lake&#039;s &#039;loss&#039; in Arizona. 

That the GOPe condones it is proof positive  of the UniParty&#039;s existence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find that Walker&#8217;s vote &#8216;loss anomaly&#8217; in just four minutes prima facie evidence of electoral fraud. </p>
<p>What other explanation might there be? </p>
<p>Same tactic led to Kari Lake&#8217;s &#8216;loss&#8217; in Arizona. </p>
<p>That the GOPe condones it is proof positive  of the UniParty&#8217;s existence.</p>
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		By: avi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[avi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2022 02:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And don’t get me started on Warnock. On Monday, he went on MSNBC to tell us that unlimited abortion on demand is what Jesus would have done. Oh.

And Jesus would have called Warlock a Kalba (dog)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And don’t get me started on Warnock. On Monday, he went on MSNBC to tell us that unlimited abortion on demand is what Jesus would have done. Oh.</p>
<p>And Jesus would have called Warlock a Kalba (dog)</p>
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