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		By: Molly Brown		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Molly Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2022 08:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t ever gotten deep into the Vince Foster story but FWIW, I vividly remember - before he died - seeing a photo in one of the weekly mags.  It was of the Clintons and Foster and at first glance I was struck by the body language and thought; Oh, they seem so close - they look like they really love each other.  On closer examination, the man Hillary was leaning on was Foster!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t ever gotten deep into the Vince Foster story but FWIW, I vividly remember &#8211; before he died &#8211; seeing a photo in one of the weekly mags.  It was of the Clintons and Foster and at first glance I was struck by the body language and thought; Oh, they seem so close &#8211; they look like they really love each other.  On closer examination, the man Hillary was leaning on was Foster!</p>
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		By: LeClerc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeClerc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2022 19:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ron Brown&#039;s body lies a-mouldering in the grave...,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Brown&#8217;s body lies a-mouldering in the grave&#8230;,</p>
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		By: MBunge		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MBunge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2022 19:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not just &quot;the Left.&quot;  The usual gang of NeverTrumpers has joined in dismissing the Twitter Files.  And what exactly has Mitch McConnell or Mitt Romney or Mike Pence or Lindsey Graham had to say, even with two full days now to craft a response?

The Left isn&#039;t the problem.  The entire political establishment is the problem.

And the thing about Vince Foster is that someone who was thisclose to the President and First Lady walked into a public park and blew his brains out...and the entire political and media establishment said &quot;Nothing to see here.  Move along.&quot;  If they didn&#039;t want people to suspect something, they shouldn&#039;t have acted like there was something to hide.

Mike]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just &#8220;the Left.&#8221;  The usual gang of NeverTrumpers has joined in dismissing the Twitter Files.  And what exactly has Mitch McConnell or Mitt Romney or Mike Pence or Lindsey Graham had to say, even with two full days now to craft a response?</p>
<p>The Left isn&#8217;t the problem.  The entire political establishment is the problem.</p>
<p>And the thing about Vince Foster is that someone who was thisclose to the President and First Lady walked into a public park and blew his brains out&#8230;and the entire political and media establishment said &#8220;Nothing to see here.  Move along.&#8221;  If they didn&#8217;t want people to suspect something, they shouldn&#8217;t have acted like there was something to hide.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2022 17:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Foster was found in a park covered in carpet fibers lying flat on the ground as if asleep. No dispute by anyone about this. Even if he killed himself, it could not have been there. How did he get there? That’s a story that the news media had no interest in reporting. You should check out the appendix that the federal court of appeals added to its opinion.&lt;/i&gt;

You have carpet fibers on your clothing.  And pet hair. And God knows what else.  Foster was miserable and had been prescribed anti-depressants by his home town doctor. Four distinct investigations were undertaken of his death and they all came up with the same conclusions. 


&lt;i&gt;Several military doctors who examined Brown testified that he had a bullet hole in the back of the head. Career suicide for them.&lt;/i&gt;

Who are they?  

What&#039;s your thesis here?  That someone shot Ron Brown in flight?  Or that thirty-odd businessmen got on an airplane to travel on an official trade mission and then Ron Brown&#039;s dead body is loaded on the plane?  


&lt;i&gt;TWA story has been covered by Jack Cashill. &lt;/i&gt;

Jack Cashill is a consistent purveyor of the notion that he has the inside story that everyone else missed, caveat lector.  Elaine Scarry was allowed by the editors of &lt;i&gt;The New York Review of Books&lt;/i&gt; to crap up three separate issues with her nonsense thesis that the U.S. Navy caused the crash with errant radio propagation.  There&#039;s an engineering school near the &lt;i&gt;New York Review&lt;/i&gt;&#039;s offices, about 23 minutes away if you take the PATH train.  It never seems to have occurred to the editors to contact anyone there and ask them for a fee to review the literary scholar Elaine Scarry&#039;s submission.  Neither Cashill nor Scarry have any critical engagement with the technical issues at stake.  


&lt;i&gt;Jayna Davis, a liberal local reporter in Ok City, has documented how the FBI put out an APB for an Iraqi agent seen with McVeigh the day before the bombing. &lt;/i&gt;

And this is probative in your mind?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Foster was found in a park covered in carpet fibers lying flat on the ground as if asleep. No dispute by anyone about this. Even if he killed himself, it could not have been there. How did he get there? That’s a story that the news media had no interest in reporting. You should check out the appendix that the federal court of appeals added to its opinion.</i></p>
<p>You have carpet fibers on your clothing.  And pet hair. And God knows what else.  Foster was miserable and had been prescribed anti-depressants by his home town doctor. Four distinct investigations were undertaken of his death and they all came up with the same conclusions. </p>
<p><i>Several military doctors who examined Brown testified that he had a bullet hole in the back of the head. Career suicide for them.</i></p>
<p>Who are they?  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s your thesis here?  That someone shot Ron Brown in flight?  Or that thirty-odd businessmen got on an airplane to travel on an official trade mission and then Ron Brown&#8217;s dead body is loaded on the plane?  </p>
<p><i>TWA story has been covered by Jack Cashill. </i></p>
<p>Jack Cashill is a consistent purveyor of the notion that he has the inside story that everyone else missed, caveat lector.  Elaine Scarry was allowed by the editors of <i>The New York Review of Books</i> to crap up three separate issues with her nonsense thesis that the U.S. Navy caused the crash with errant radio propagation.  There&#8217;s an engineering school near the <i>New York Review</i>&#8216;s offices, about 23 minutes away if you take the PATH train.  It never seems to have occurred to the editors to contact anyone there and ask them for a fee to review the literary scholar Elaine Scarry&#8217;s submission.  Neither Cashill nor Scarry have any critical engagement with the technical issues at stake.  </p>
<p><i>Jayna Davis, a liberal local reporter in Ok City, has documented how the FBI put out an APB for an Iraqi agent seen with McVeigh the day before the bombing. </i></p>
<p>And this is probative in your mind?</p>
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		By: Hubert		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2022 17:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sdferr: many thanks for the Vimeo link to the debate in Toronto between Matt Taibbi and Douglas Murray and Malcolm Gladwell and Michelle Goldberg. I thought it was a good debate, actually.

Gordon Scott: like you, I didn&#039;t think I&#039;d watch the whole thing, but I&#039;m glad I did.

Five takeaways:

1. Don&#039;t call Douglas Murray &quot;Doug&quot; to his face.

2. Don&#039;t be on the opposing side in a debate with Douglas Murray. You&#039;ll lose.

3. Malcolm Gladwell is a trendy poseur. I&#039;ve read or listened to a couple of things by him--an old podcast on country music and a more recent slim book on the &quot;Bomber Mafia&quot; (a group of U.S. Army Air Corps theorists in the 1920s-1930s)--and thought they were pretty good. After his snarky, dishonest performance in this debate, I&#039;m going to give him a pass.

4. Michelle Goldberg is--to put it kindly--unimpressive. In Goldberg&#039;s view, the world is divided between sane, educated people like her--people who read and believe the NYT and The New Yorker, people who listen to NPR--and &quot;right-wingers&quot;. She is a perfect self-parody of Upper West Side-bubble &quot;thinking&quot;.

5. Gladwell and Goldberg aren&#039;t good debaters and don&#039;t fare well when they encounter intelligent and informed pushback from people like Taibbi and Murray. That&#039;s why they seek to discredit or censor it out of the gate. Or play the racism card, as Gladwell repeatedly did. Or simply refuse to engage with it.

Here&#039;s the link again:

https://vimeo.com/munkdebates/review/775853977/85003a644c

Highly recommended if you have an hour to spare.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sdferr: many thanks for the Vimeo link to the debate in Toronto between Matt Taibbi and Douglas Murray and Malcolm Gladwell and Michelle Goldberg. I thought it was a good debate, actually.</p>
<p>Gordon Scott: like you, I didn&#8217;t think I&#8217;d watch the whole thing, but I&#8217;m glad I did.</p>
<p>Five takeaways:</p>
<p>1. Don&#8217;t call Douglas Murray &#8220;Doug&#8221; to his face.</p>
<p>2. Don&#8217;t be on the opposing side in a debate with Douglas Murray. You&#8217;ll lose.</p>
<p>3. Malcolm Gladwell is a trendy poseur. I&#8217;ve read or listened to a couple of things by him&#8211;an old podcast on country music and a more recent slim book on the &#8220;Bomber Mafia&#8221; (a group of U.S. Army Air Corps theorists in the 1920s-1930s)&#8211;and thought they were pretty good. After his snarky, dishonest performance in this debate, I&#8217;m going to give him a pass.</p>
<p>4. Michelle Goldberg is&#8211;to put it kindly&#8211;unimpressive. In Goldberg&#8217;s view, the world is divided between sane, educated people like her&#8211;people who read and believe the NYT and The New Yorker, people who listen to NPR&#8211;and &#8220;right-wingers&#8221;. She is a perfect self-parody of Upper West Side-bubble &#8220;thinking&#8221;.</p>
<p>5. Gladwell and Goldberg aren&#8217;t good debaters and don&#8217;t fare well when they encounter intelligent and informed pushback from people like Taibbi and Murray. That&#8217;s why they seek to discredit or censor it out of the gate. Or play the racism card, as Gladwell repeatedly did. Or simply refuse to engage with it.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the link again:</p>
<p><a href="https://vimeo.com/munkdebates/review/775853977/85003a644c" rel="nofollow ugc">https://vimeo.com/munkdebates/review/775853977/85003a644c</a></p>
<p>Highly recommended if you have an hour to spare.</p>
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		By: Ray SoCa		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray SoCa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2022 16:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[With so many other conspiracy theories proven to be true…

I wonder on:

- Seth Rich
- UFO’s
- Twa flight 
- Ftx funding - was it a billion?
- Election Fraud in the US, including dominion software 
- Ukraine Narrative 
- Covid Vaccine Side Effects 
- WEF / Davos 
- Reach of Chinas influence 
- Who, What, Why, and How pushing Transgender Agenda]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With so many other conspiracy theories proven to be true…</p>
<p>I wonder on:</p>
<p>&#8211; Seth Rich<br />
&#8211; UFO’s<br />
&#8211; Twa flight<br />
&#8211; Ftx funding &#8211; was it a billion?<br />
&#8211; Election Fraud in the US, including dominion software<br />
&#8211; Ukraine Narrative<br />
&#8211; Covid Vaccine Side Effects<br />
&#8211; WEF / Davos<br />
&#8211; Reach of Chinas influence<br />
&#8211; Who, What, Why, and How pushing Transgender Agenda</p>
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		By: TJ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2022 22:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JohnTyler posts with anger and (I’d guess) barely restrained outrage:
“Leftists make judgments purely based upon who or which group is committing the wrong doing. If a leftist commits a wrong doing or a crime, well, that’s OK; let’s ‘move on.’
“The severity of the crime or malfeasance committed by a leftist, or the numbers of people who wind up dead as a result of leftist policies, is of no import to the leftist elites.…
“Leftists are truly evil, malevolent individuals because they WILL justify any and all deeds in pursuit of their vision. In this regard they are no different than Hitler’s Nazi’s ( National SOCIALISTS).”

The Truth is only of value to the Left, today, in so far as it advances their agenda, build their power, secures them there for the future.

THIS is why America is broken today. There is no shared value in finding the Truth, much less respect for the Truth-seeker.

This makes them as dangerous in power as we can imagine Truth suppression to be. 

What is to be done? SCREAM. at the bastards. West message shirts insulting them as fascists — because they deserve to be shouted down as such.

GET IN THEIR FACE, as if this were 1968 or 1970 again. SPEAK Truth to the s***heads in power.

Let everyone be warned. The next rule of bullies is they will not like their rules, when we start to bully them into submission.

THIS is the only way to build out to anything other than the violent, viscious Armageddon we’re fast approaching.

Trump will be arrested and convicted. The Evil GOPe is going to sell him — and therefore us — out.

That cake is baked. Worse, much worse, is coming.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JohnTyler posts with anger and (I’d guess) barely restrained outrage:<br />
“Leftists make judgments purely based upon who or which group is committing the wrong doing. If a leftist commits a wrong doing or a crime, well, that’s OK; let’s ‘move on.’<br />
“The severity of the crime or malfeasance committed by a leftist, or the numbers of people who wind up dead as a result of leftist policies, is of no import to the leftist elites.…<br />
“Leftists are truly evil, malevolent individuals because they WILL justify any and all deeds in pursuit of their vision. In this regard they are no different than Hitler’s Nazi’s ( National SOCIALISTS).”</p>
<p>The Truth is only of value to the Left, today, in so far as it advances their agenda, build their power, secures them there for the future.</p>
<p>THIS is why America is broken today. There is no shared value in finding the Truth, much less respect for the Truth-seeker.</p>
<p>This makes them as dangerous in power as we can imagine Truth suppression to be. </p>
<p>What is to be done? SCREAM. at the bastards. West message shirts insulting them as fascists — because they deserve to be shouted down as such.</p>
<p>GET IN THEIR FACE, as if this were 1968 or 1970 again. SPEAK Truth to the s***heads in power.</p>
<p>Let everyone be warned. The next rule of bullies is they will not like their rules, when we start to bully them into submission.</p>
<p>THIS is the only way to build out to anything other than the violent, viscious Armageddon we’re fast approaching.</p>
<p>Trump will be arrested and convicted. The Evil GOPe is going to sell him — and therefore us — out.</p>
<p>That cake is baked. Worse, much worse, is coming.</p>
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		By: stan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2022 18:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Om,

You might want to reserve your applause for stuff like facts and evidence. It would buttress your credibility. Assuming you care for your credibility. I apologize for assuming you do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Om,</p>
<p>You might want to reserve your applause for stuff like facts and evidence. It would buttress your credibility. Assuming you care for your credibility. I apologize for assuming you do.</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2022 18:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Right you know it took 20 years of edwin wilson*s to reveal he was not a rogue spy he did everything on orders

*the inspiration for reddington]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right you know it took 20 years of edwin wilson*s to reveal he was not a rogue spy he did everything on orders</p>
<p>*the inspiration for reddington</p>
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		By: stan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2022 18:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco,

Silly rabbit. Bless your heart.

Foster was found in a park covered in carpet fibers lying flat on the ground as if asleep. No dispute by anyone about this. Even if he killed himself, it could not have been there. How did he get there? That&#039;s a story that the news media had no interest in reporting. You should check out the appendix that the federal court of appeals added to its opinion.

Several military doctors who examined Brown testified that he had a bullet hole in the back of the head. Career suicide for them.

TWA story has been covered by Jack Cashill. The story concocted by the CIA and forced on the FBI, which shockingly forced the NTSB off the investigation, was so ridiculous that no 747 pilot can be found to endorse it. Over 250 eyewitnesses reported seeing the rocket climb the sky and hit the airliner.

Jayna Davis, a liberal local reporter in Ok City, has documented how the FBI put out an APB for an Iraqi agent seen with McVeigh the day before the bombing. Clinton shut down the search for the Iraqi and blamed Limbaugh. The APB was real. Its suppression alone is a story. Regardless of anything else. And you have absolutely no way to know whether there was any contact with Iraq. We know that Nichols spent time with Islamic terrorists in Mindanao. It&#039;s not a stretch to think there was any influence from Iraq or Iran or al-qaeda. In any event, you can&#039;t possibly support your claim.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco,</p>
<p>Silly rabbit. Bless your heart.</p>
<p>Foster was found in a park covered in carpet fibers lying flat on the ground as if asleep. No dispute by anyone about this. Even if he killed himself, it could not have been there. How did he get there? That&#8217;s a story that the news media had no interest in reporting. You should check out the appendix that the federal court of appeals added to its opinion.</p>
<p>Several military doctors who examined Brown testified that he had a bullet hole in the back of the head. Career suicide for them.</p>
<p>TWA story has been covered by Jack Cashill. The story concocted by the CIA and forced on the FBI, which shockingly forced the NTSB off the investigation, was so ridiculous that no 747 pilot can be found to endorse it. Over 250 eyewitnesses reported seeing the rocket climb the sky and hit the airliner.</p>
<p>Jayna Davis, a liberal local reporter in Ok City, has documented how the FBI put out an APB for an Iraqi agent seen with McVeigh the day before the bombing. Clinton shut down the search for the Iraqi and blamed Limbaugh. The APB was real. Its suppression alone is a story. Regardless of anything else. And you have absolutely no way to know whether there was any contact with Iraq. We know that Nichols spent time with Islamic terrorists in Mindanao. It&#8217;s not a stretch to think there was any influence from Iraq or Iran or al-qaeda. In any event, you can&#8217;t possibly support your claim.</p>
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