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		By: ObloodyHell		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[P.S., one thing, I am getting older, and my doctor did recommend that I take Zinc, Quercitin, and add vitamin C** to my diet over and above the casual &quot;Senior&quot; one-a-day. He already had me taking a super-B-complex vitamin and vitamin D. Apparently all these tie to boosting and helping immune system response. If you are not taking these -- especially if you&#039;re older, but no matter your age, you should ask your doctor if there is any reason you should not (all are cheap via Amazon... if there is no medical reason to NOT do it, then, even if there is no clear evidence they DO help, it&#039;s probably not a bad thing to take them -- there is some evidence they do help, it&#039;s just not always conclusive).

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**&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Not&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; megadoses -- just a regular vC supplement once a day. As I understand it, megadoses are often bad, as the body uses the same receptors for multiple things, so you can wind up with a deficiency in something as one of the megadoses crowds out one of the co-receptor intakes from getting something else.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S., one thing, I am getting older, and my doctor did recommend that I take Zinc, Quercitin, and add vitamin C** to my diet over and above the casual &#8220;Senior&#8221; one-a-day. He already had me taking a super-B-complex vitamin and vitamin D. Apparently all these tie to boosting and helping immune system response. If you are not taking these &#8212; especially if you&#8217;re older, but no matter your age, you should ask your doctor if there is any reason you should not (all are cheap via Amazon&#8230; if there is no medical reason to NOT do it, then, even if there is no clear evidence they DO help, it&#8217;s probably not a bad thing to take them &#8212; there is some evidence they do help, it&#8217;s just not always conclusive).</p>
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**<b><i>Not</i></b> megadoses &#8212; just a regular vC supplement once a day. As I understand it, megadoses are often bad, as the body uses the same receptors for multiple things, so you can wind up with a deficiency in something as one of the megadoses crowds out one of the co-receptor intakes from getting something else.</p>
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		By: ObloodyHell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2022 21:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And never forget, there may be some kind of innate resistance in the African genome (i.e., the prevalent genes common to that area -- which would include many people of &quot;close&quot; african geneology, as opposed to those who have intermixed with Euros and Asians in the last couple centuries).

There is no direct evidence of this I am specifically aware of, but could be, akin to the way Euros have a measure of innate resistance to HIV, due to their tendency to come from a gene pool that survived the Black Plague, which is distantly related. Genetics that resist the latter have some level of innate resistance to the former.

I&#039;m merely calling attention to the fact that sometimes this shit happens, just as there were purported efforts to spread smallpox among Amerinds in the 1800s (previous to the real understanding of disease vectors, but possible), by Euros who, having dealt with it for multiple centuries had more resistance than the Amerinds whose population had limited exposure. Same kind of thing. It&#039;s certainly possible that one group or another has some level of innate resistance to certain different disease mechanisms, just as individuals do**.

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** I don&#039;t generally get the flu vaccine, because I almost never get the flu -- perhaps 2, maybe 3 times in the last 15y -- and even then, it&#039;s like a 2-3 day issue, not a week or more, with lingering after. I seem to have a certain innate natural resistance, presumably thanks to the gift of  my genes from my parents. I see no reason this kind of thing could not spread through a population, given the right opportunities.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And never forget, there may be some kind of innate resistance in the African genome (i.e., the prevalent genes common to that area &#8212; which would include many people of &#8220;close&#8221; african geneology, as opposed to those who have intermixed with Euros and Asians in the last couple centuries).</p>
<p>There is no direct evidence of this I am specifically aware of, but could be, akin to the way Euros have a measure of innate resistance to HIV, due to their tendency to come from a gene pool that survived the Black Plague, which is distantly related. Genetics that resist the latter have some level of innate resistance to the former.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m merely calling attention to the fact that sometimes this shit happens, just as there were purported efforts to spread smallpox among Amerinds in the 1800s (previous to the real understanding of disease vectors, but possible), by Euros who, having dealt with it for multiple centuries had more resistance than the Amerinds whose population had limited exposure. Same kind of thing. It&#8217;s certainly possible that one group or another has some level of innate resistance to certain different disease mechanisms, just as individuals do**.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;<br />
** I don&#8217;t generally get the flu vaccine, because I almost never get the flu &#8212; perhaps 2, maybe 3 times in the last 15y &#8212; and even then, it&#8217;s like a 2-3 day issue, not a week or more, with lingering after. I seem to have a certain innate natural resistance, presumably thanks to the gift of  my genes from my parents. I see no reason this kind of thing could not spread through a population, given the right opportunities.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2022 08:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Michael, that&#039;s a fascinating comment.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, that&#8217;s a fascinating comment.<br />
Thanks very much&#8230;</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2022 23:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ftx conveniently funded some bogus studies, that left out zinc as catalyzing agents, to make sure that ivm would not be widely applied,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ftx conveniently funded some bogus studies, that left out zinc as catalyzing agents, to make sure that ivm would not be widely applied,</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[There have been numerous stories on the Rolling Stone/ivermectin hoax. I link to one to refresh and to detail the journalistic malpractice involved.

Rolling Stone, which should have learned from the UVa rape hoax not to go blindly after the yummy stories, smeared itself once again and this time with evidence of even less concern for facts.

I spun through the piece and don&#039;t recall if hey mentioned the picture of the lines outside the ER, ostensibly due to ivermectin.  The folks were wearing winter clothing in, at latest, early September.  No gurneys, no wheel chairs, no sign of a medical facility anywhere.

What this tells me is the burning intensity, the enormous urgency to smear ivermectin as a possible therapeutic.  They didn&#039;t have time to get their ducks in a row to be even slightly credible.  But they jumped on it.  Who peddled the screaming need to RS to do themselves another mischief?  And why did they sign on?

One of those things:  You see this, there&#039;s no reason, ever, to believe the same people, whoever they are.  It&#039;s not the RS story that is the issue.  It&#039;s the RS story done so poorly as to exemplify the larger campaign&#039;s frantic lies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been numerous stories on the Rolling Stone/ivermectin hoax. I link to one to refresh and to detail the journalistic malpractice involved.</p>
<p>Rolling Stone, which should have learned from the UVa rape hoax not to go blindly after the yummy stories, smeared itself once again and this time with evidence of even less concern for facts.</p>
<p>I spun through the piece and don&#8217;t recall if hey mentioned the picture of the lines outside the ER, ostensibly due to ivermectin.  The folks were wearing winter clothing in, at latest, early September.  No gurneys, no wheel chairs, no sign of a medical facility anywhere.</p>
<p>What this tells me is the burning intensity, the enormous urgency to smear ivermectin as a possible therapeutic.  They didn&#8217;t have time to get their ducks in a row to be even slightly credible.  But they jumped on it.  Who peddled the screaming need to RS to do themselves another mischief?  And why did they sign on?</p>
<p>One of those things:  You see this, there&#8217;s no reason, ever, to believe the same people, whoever they are.  It&#8217;s not the RS story that is the issue.  It&#8217;s the RS story done so poorly as to exemplify the larger campaign&#8217;s frantic lies.</p>
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		By: Dennis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2022 17:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo,

We&#039;ll never settle this.  My experience in Africa makes me very skeptical of those claims.  If covid19 had the virulence of bubonic plague (30-70% death rate) or smallpox (30% death rate), I would agree with your assessment.  As it is, the death rate from the original covid is slightly under 1% (.82%) in a mixed population which is probably similar in age distribution to the population in Africa.  That death rate is well above the usual seasonal flu epidemics but well below those of the Spanish Flu epidemic which is estimated to have killed between 2% and 10% of its victims primarily young adults.   https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/correction/documents/TDOCInmatesCOVID19.pdf 

If the US government hadn&#039;t politicized the covid epidemic, I would be inclined to accept something from the NIH.  Years of lies have destroyed their credibility.  I keep reading things from dissident doctors that indicate that Ivermectin is helpful.  So, I&#039;m keeping an open mind.  I have talked to a nurse practitioner from Odessa, Texas where Ivermectin has always been available.  She took care of covid patients during the pandemic using Ivermectin, zinc supplements, and Budesonide aerosol, with excellent results.  She did lose several patients including one who was an athletic middle-aged man, so obviously Ivermectin is not a panacea.   https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/miraculous-recovery-of-hypoxemic-covid-19-patients-with-ivermectin_4899987.html  

I still support the vaccines for older people who are more likely to die from covid.  For them the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks.  But, that is probably no longer the case with the newer less virulent variants.  Mandated vaccines are an entirely different matter and the government officials who have trampled on individual rights should be jailed.  So far, I&#039;ve seen no evidence that children benefit from the vaccine, and the push to get them all jabbed should stop.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo,</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll never settle this.  My experience in Africa makes me very skeptical of those claims.  If covid19 had the virulence of bubonic plague (30-70% death rate) or smallpox (30% death rate), I would agree with your assessment.  As it is, the death rate from the original covid is slightly under 1% (.82%) in a mixed population which is probably similar in age distribution to the population in Africa.  That death rate is well above the usual seasonal flu epidemics but well below those of the Spanish Flu epidemic which is estimated to have killed between 2% and 10% of its victims primarily young adults.   <a href="https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/correction/documents/TDOCInmatesCOVID19.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/correction/documents/TDOCInmatesCOVID19.pdf</a> </p>
<p>If the US government hadn&#8217;t politicized the covid epidemic, I would be inclined to accept something from the NIH.  Years of lies have destroyed their credibility.  I keep reading things from dissident doctors that indicate that Ivermectin is helpful.  So, I&#8217;m keeping an open mind.  I have talked to a nurse practitioner from Odessa, Texas where Ivermectin has always been available.  She took care of covid patients during the pandemic using Ivermectin, zinc supplements, and Budesonide aerosol, with excellent results.  She did lose several patients including one who was an athletic middle-aged man, so obviously Ivermectin is not a panacea.   <a href="https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/miraculous-recovery-of-hypoxemic-covid-19-patients-with-ivermectin_4899987.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/miraculous-recovery-of-hypoxemic-covid-19-patients-with-ivermectin_4899987.html</a>  </p>
<p>I still support the vaccines for older people who are more likely to die from covid.  For them the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks.  But, that is probably no longer the case with the newer less virulent variants.  Mandated vaccines are an entirely different matter and the government officials who have trampled on individual rights should be jailed.  So far, I&#8217;ve seen no evidence that children benefit from the vaccine, and the push to get them all jabbed should stop.</p>
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		By: Michael Rittenhouse		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Rittenhouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2022 16:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hookworms are more prevalent among people who walk barefoot and use outdoor latrines, conditions prevalent in rural, Sub-Saharan Africa.

These harmless parasites have benefited humans for most all our existence, as far as we can tell. We can acquire them from our environment, but lose them whenever we break their reproductive cycle.

Hookworms are in a class of helminths. They&#039;ve been shown to release complex and varied chemicals into the bloodstream to protect themselves from the human immune system. These chemicals also prevent the immune system from attacking the human body itself.

Everywhere hookworms are prevalent, there are dramatically lower rates of allergies, asthma, lupus, Crohn&#039;s Disease, celiac disease, multiple sclerosis, and other autoimmune disorders.

The evidence is so clear that individuals in the West are undertaking helminthic therapy for relief, and succeeding where pharmaceuticals and isolation have failed.

One cause of death from COVID is respiratory failure due to the flooding of the lungs with fluid -- an autoimmune response.

See the link (my name -- no interest in the business) for more. It&#039;s an emerging field of research and treatment, currently not approved by FDA, so it&#039;s mostly done by individuals and universities. Also, because organisms cannot be patented, the standard FDA approval process would not likely result in a profit-making treatment.


Neo, I hope you see this. I think I&#039;ve seen references to your own autoimmune condition in the past. You might benefit from this therapy, as I have.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hookworms are more prevalent among people who walk barefoot and use outdoor latrines, conditions prevalent in rural, Sub-Saharan Africa.</p>
<p>These harmless parasites have benefited humans for most all our existence, as far as we can tell. We can acquire them from our environment, but lose them whenever we break their reproductive cycle.</p>
<p>Hookworms are in a class of helminths. They&#8217;ve been shown to release complex and varied chemicals into the bloodstream to protect themselves from the human immune system. These chemicals also prevent the immune system from attacking the human body itself.</p>
<p>Everywhere hookworms are prevalent, there are dramatically lower rates of allergies, asthma, lupus, Crohn&#8217;s Disease, celiac disease, multiple sclerosis, and other autoimmune disorders.</p>
<p>The evidence is so clear that individuals in the West are undertaking helminthic therapy for relief, and succeeding where pharmaceuticals and isolation have failed.</p>
<p>One cause of death from COVID is respiratory failure due to the flooding of the lungs with fluid &#8212; an autoimmune response.</p>
<p>See the link (my name &#8212; no interest in the business) for more. It&#8217;s an emerging field of research and treatment, currently not approved by FDA, so it&#8217;s mostly done by individuals and universities. Also, because organisms cannot be patented, the standard FDA approval process would not likely result in a profit-making treatment.</p>
<p>Neo, I hope you see this. I think I&#8217;ve seen references to your own autoimmune condition in the past. You might benefit from this therapy, as I have.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2022 04:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dennis:

One can never know with absolute certainty, but if there is zero evidence for something I tend to doubt it&#039;s true.  There is not only no statistical evidence for high increased die-off from COVID in Africa but there also aren&#039;t even rumors of it or anecdotal evidence. Therefore I see no reason to believe it&#039;s the case, especially when there are a host of reasons why the spread and severity of COVID might have been less in Africa than in the Western world.  

As far as something like Ivermectin goes, when I evaluate something I notice what emerges over time.  At the beginning it seemed more promising than it has ultimately appeared to be.  That&#039;s not at all unusual.  There is no compelling evidence at this point for its use. Just to take a few examples of the overview, &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/miscellaneous-drugs/ivermectin/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;see this&lt;/a&gt; as well as &lt;a href=&quot;https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12985-022-01829-8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.

I suspect that many people might have been saved by antivirals such as Paxlovid if they had had them earlier, but they didn&#039;t.  Also I think that there&#039;s a possibility Vitamin D may be of some help - research results are somewhat varied but not enough controlled studies have been done.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis:</p>
<p>One can never know with absolute certainty, but if there is zero evidence for something I tend to doubt it&#8217;s true.  There is not only no statistical evidence for high increased die-off from COVID in Africa but there also aren&#8217;t even rumors of it or anecdotal evidence. Therefore I see no reason to believe it&#8217;s the case, especially when there are a host of reasons why the spread and severity of COVID might have been less in Africa than in the Western world.  </p>
<p>As far as something like Ivermectin goes, when I evaluate something I notice what emerges over time.  At the beginning it seemed more promising than it has ultimately appeared to be.  That&#8217;s not at all unusual.  There is no compelling evidence at this point for its use. Just to take a few examples of the overview, <a href="https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/miscellaneous-drugs/ivermectin/" rel="nofollow ugc">see this</a> as well as <a href="https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12985-022-01829-8" rel="nofollow ugc">this</a>.</p>
<p>I suspect that many people might have been saved by antivirals such as Paxlovid if they had had them earlier, but they didn&#8217;t.  Also I think that there&#8217;s a possibility Vitamin D may be of some help &#8211; research results are somewhat varied but not enough controlled studies have been done.</p>
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		By: Dennis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2022 03:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo said:

&quot;The difference isn’t some fine statistical point that has to do with reporting. If there had been a serious COVID problem in most of Africa, it could not have been hidden. I’ve seen no one who has reported anything of the sort, not even anecdotally.&quot;

Things may have changed since I was in Africa many years ago.  However, until I see a reason to change my opinions, I am still very skeptical about statistics coming from Africa.  Right now, there is a Muslim jihad in several countries especially in Nigeria against Christians.  Hundreds of people are being slaughtered at a time.  I can&#039;t imagine that under the circumstances anyone is worrying about a few extra Covid deaths.  South Sudan is another hot spot.  

Because of the lefts&#039; war on therapeutics, it is difficult to know which if any are useful.  So far, Ivermectin seems to be the best of the lot.  I suspect that hundreds or thousands of people have died who could have been saved if therapeutics had been freely available.

I don&#039;t blame the pharmaceutical companies for everything.  My understanding is that Fauci took his clues from China about how to deal with the epidemic.  The war on therapeutics was probably started because Trump was promoting them and the left were determined to make him fail.  They were against the vaccines until Biden got into office about the time they came out so that he could take credit for them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo said:</p>
<p>&#8220;The difference isn’t some fine statistical point that has to do with reporting. If there had been a serious COVID problem in most of Africa, it could not have been hidden. I’ve seen no one who has reported anything of the sort, not even anecdotally.&#8221;</p>
<p>Things may have changed since I was in Africa many years ago.  However, until I see a reason to change my opinions, I am still very skeptical about statistics coming from Africa.  Right now, there is a Muslim jihad in several countries especially in Nigeria against Christians.  Hundreds of people are being slaughtered at a time.  I can&#8217;t imagine that under the circumstances anyone is worrying about a few extra Covid deaths.  South Sudan is another hot spot.  </p>
<p>Because of the lefts&#8217; war on therapeutics, it is difficult to know which if any are useful.  So far, Ivermectin seems to be the best of the lot.  I suspect that hundreds or thousands of people have died who could have been saved if therapeutics had been freely available.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t blame the pharmaceutical companies for everything.  My understanding is that Fauci took his clues from China about how to deal with the epidemic.  The war on therapeutics was probably started because Trump was promoting them and the left were determined to make him fail.  They were against the vaccines until Biden got into office about the time they came out so that he could take credit for them.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2022 21:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lee:

No, those are not the studies I&#039;m talking about. Those were the earlier studies.  Later there were much better studies, and the claims for HCQ simply were not supported.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee:</p>
<p>No, those are not the studies I&#8217;m talking about. Those were the earlier studies.  Later there were much better studies, and the claims for HCQ simply were not supported.</p>
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