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		By: Philip Sells		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2022 06:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard, that sounds nice! I took I-80 back when I was in Illinois last. Stopped for gas in Minooka. To think I just missed that spot! Well, I was in a bit of a hurry....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, that sounds nice! I took I-80 back when I was in Illinois last. Stopped for gas in Minooka. To think I just missed that spot! Well, I was in a bit of a hurry&#8230;.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2022 05:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey:

The Yakima, Wanapum, and Nez Perce nations are still around but I don&#039;t know if their oral history goes back that far. They have claimed the &quot;Kennewick Man&quot; is their ancestor.

&quot;Kennewick Man&quot; was found along the shoreline of the Columbia River in 1996 and has been dated to around 8,900 - 9000 years ago.  Quite a while after the Lake Missoula floods. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/kennewick-man-finally-freed-share-his-secrets-180952462/

And many other articles ....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Aubrey:</p>
<p>The Yakima, Wanapum, and Nez Perce nations are still around but I don&#8217;t know if their oral history goes back that far. They have claimed the &#8220;Kennewick Man&#8221; is their ancestor.</p>
<p>&#8220;Kennewick Man&#8221; was found along the shoreline of the Columbia River in 1996 and has been dated to around 8,900 &#8211; 9000 years ago.  Quite a while after the Lake Missoula floods. </p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man</a><br />
<a href="https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/kennewick-man-finally-freed-share-his-secrets-180952462/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/kennewick-man-finally-freed-share-his-secrets-180952462/</a></p>
<p>And many other articles &#8230;.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2022 04:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Having spend a fair amount of time driving through Illinois, it would have been difficult to convince me the state possessed as many as one hill.
But then we went to Starved Rock.  It was carved out of the terrain by a one-off flood from the Great Lakes.  It&#039;s a fabulously well done place.  The visitors center has a lot of educational opportunities.  Apparently, on holidays, the traffic is backed up to I80 and they close it at ten in the morning, because the folks there by then max out the place.
Incredibly formations.  Great hiking.
South of I80, east of Peru, along the Illinois River.  You could practically forget Chicago.

I&#039;m wondering about the scab lands.  Was there sufficient time between events for the land to recover and draw in the locals to settle.  Or not?  Or possibly some ancient tales about cursed land.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having spend a fair amount of time driving through Illinois, it would have been difficult to convince me the state possessed as many as one hill.<br />
But then we went to Starved Rock.  It was carved out of the terrain by a one-off flood from the Great Lakes.  It&#8217;s a fabulously well done place.  The visitors center has a lot of educational opportunities.  Apparently, on holidays, the traffic is backed up to I80 and they close it at ten in the morning, because the folks there by then max out the place.<br />
Incredibly formations.  Great hiking.<br />
South of I80, east of Peru, along the Illinois River.  You could practically forget Chicago.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering about the scab lands.  Was there sufficient time between events for the land to recover and draw in the locals to settle.  Or not?  Or possibly some ancient tales about cursed land.</p>
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		By: JohnTyler		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Glacial Lake Agassiz was by far the largest lake that ever existed in North America. 
See here:

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Agassiz

It may have covered up to 170,000 square miles which is about the size of  present day Black Sea. 

If most folks had even a very cursory idea of the massive climatic changes the earth has experienced over millions of years, those greenies and their &quot;scientific&quot; cronies would be laughed out of the room with their patently false arguments of man made climate change or the fiction of a &quot;climate emergency.&quot;


But then again, we have &quot;educated&quot; people claiming that men can become pregnant, that it is impossible to ascertain at birth the gender of a baby, or to know if an adult is a male or female, etc.,etc. 
What is truly astonishing is that people who utter this total bullshit are actually listened to and paid attention to (or are appointed to the SCOTUS), despite the fact that everybody knows what is being said is a complete lie. 

Amazing how easy it is to cow the masses.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glacial Lake Agassiz was by far the largest lake that ever existed in North America.<br />
See here:</p>
<p>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Agassiz" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Agassiz</a></p>
<p>It may have covered up to 170,000 square miles which is about the size of  present day Black Sea. </p>
<p>If most folks had even a very cursory idea of the massive climatic changes the earth has experienced over millions of years, those greenies and their &#8220;scientific&#8221; cronies would be laughed out of the room with their patently false arguments of man made climate change or the fiction of a &#8220;climate emergency.&#8221;</p>
<p>But then again, we have &#8220;educated&#8221; people claiming that men can become pregnant, that it is impossible to ascertain at birth the gender of a baby, or to know if an adult is a male or female, etc.,etc.<br />
What is truly astonishing is that people who utter this total bullshit are actually listened to and paid attention to (or are appointed to the SCOTUS), despite the fact that everybody knows what is being said is a complete lie. </p>
<p>Amazing how easy it is to cow the masses.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2022 13:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And speaking of floods...
...SBF is so full of it it&#039;s embarrassing. (Actually, I was going to say &quot;he embarrasses himself&quot; but it looks increasingly that that particular sentiment is not in his repertoire....)
&#039; SBF Addresses Rumors Whether He Laundered Ukraine Donations: &quot;I Wish I Could Have Pulled That Off&quot; &#039;---
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/sbf-addresses-rumors-whether-he-laundered-ukraine-donations-i-wish-i-could-have-pulled

I understand that people who seem to know about these things have claimed that there was NO Ukraine connection.

After having seen SBF&#039;s bizarre, smarmy denial that there was a connection, I can only conclude, given his sheer criminality and subterranean level of credibility, that one has grounds to believe the (Ukraine connection) claim.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And speaking of floods&#8230;<br />
&#8230;SBF is so full of it it&#8217;s embarrassing. (Actually, I was going to say &#8220;he embarrasses himself&#8221; but it looks increasingly that that particular sentiment is not in his repertoire&#8230;.)<br />
&#8216; SBF Addresses Rumors Whether He Laundered Ukraine Donations: &#8220;I Wish I Could Have Pulled That Off&#8221; &#8216;&#8212;<br />
<a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/sbf-addresses-rumors-whether-he-laundered-ukraine-donations-i-wish-i-could-have-pulled" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/sbf-addresses-rumors-whether-he-laundered-ukraine-donations-i-wish-i-could-have-pulled</a></p>
<p>I understand that people who seem to know about these things have claimed that there was NO Ukraine connection.</p>
<p>After having seen SBF&#8217;s bizarre, smarmy denial that there was a connection, I can only conclude, given his sheer criminality and subterranean level of credibility, that one has grounds to believe the (Ukraine connection) claim.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2022 12:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry, make that &quot;...in northern Michigan...&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, make that &#8220;&#8230;in northern Michigan&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2022 12:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hemingway, himself a naturalist of note (cutting his teeth in Michigan&#039;s northern peninsula), also discussed the concept in &quot;The Sun Also Rises&quot;...

(That is, if one considers bankruptcy a &quot;catastrophic event&quot;...)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hemingway, himself a naturalist of note (cutting his teeth in Michigan&#8217;s northern peninsula), also discussed the concept in &#8220;The Sun Also Rises&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>(That is, if one considers bankruptcy a &#8220;catastrophic event&#8221;&#8230;)</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/11/29/open-thread-11-29-22/#comment-2655449</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2022 09:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fredrick:

You are talking out of your hat.  The history of science and particularly geology as  science has more to it than you have bothered to learn.
You would have to start back in the 1840&#039;s (that&#039;s a clue).  Another term for &quot;Gradualism&quot; is Uniformitarianism as opposed to Catastrophism.

There are hierarchies in science, and some scientists think they know all about other disciplined it seems. 
The piled higher and deeper (PhD) effect.

Cartoons indeed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fredrick:</p>
<p>You are talking out of your hat.  The history of science and particularly geology as  science has more to it than you have bothered to learn.<br />
You would have to start back in the 1840&#8217;s (that&#8217;s a clue).  Another term for &#8220;Gradualism&#8221; is Uniformitarianism as opposed to Catastrophism.</p>
<p>There are hierarchies in science, and some scientists think they know all about other disciplined it seems.<br />
The piled higher and deeper (PhD) effect.</p>
<p>Cartoons indeed.</p>
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		By: Frederick		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frederick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2022 05:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Roy:&lt;i&gt;I see no reason why the concepts of Gradualism and Catastrophism cannot coexist. &lt;/i&gt;

They always do and always have. There was never any geologist who said that no catastrophe ever happened, and never any who said nothing happened gradually.  &quot;Gradualism&quot; and &quot;Catastrophism&quot; are cartoon versions of scientific history. The history of science is obscure and has only a small number of active participants, and so these cartoon versions get entrenched in the minds of future generations, who weren&#039;t there and didn&#039;t closely follow the issues, which they often don&#039;t understand.

I&#039;ve run into a lot of these cartoon histories in math and physics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Roy:<i>I see no reason why the concepts of Gradualism and Catastrophism cannot coexist. </i></p>
<p>They always do and always have. There was never any geologist who said that no catastrophe ever happened, and never any who said nothing happened gradually.  &#8220;Gradualism&#8221; and &#8220;Catastrophism&#8221; are cartoon versions of scientific history. The history of science is obscure and has only a small number of active participants, and so these cartoon versions get entrenched in the minds of future generations, who weren&#8217;t there and didn&#8217;t closely follow the issues, which they often don&#8217;t understand.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve run into a lot of these cartoon histories in math and physics.</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2022 04:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David Sacks had some nice commentary on Tucker tonight.  He coined the term &quot;MAGA Democrats&quot; meaning Microsoft-Apple-Google-Amazon Democrats.  The big corps. follow their pay masters Sacks says.  Not their customers who are locked into those systems, but their pay masters in big government.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Sacks had some nice commentary on Tucker tonight.  He coined the term &#8220;MAGA Democrats&#8221; meaning Microsoft-Apple-Google-Amazon Democrats.  The big corps. follow their pay masters Sacks says.  Not their customers who are locked into those systems, but their pay masters in big government.</p>
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