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		By: Don		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/11/19/king-joe-and-the-dueling-investigations/#comment-2654386</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2022 18:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[POTUS has broad powers to class and declass information, not controlled by Congress:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The President, after all, is the &quot;Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States.&quot; U.S.Const., Art. II, § 2. His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security and to determine whether an individual is sufficiently trustworthy to occupy a position in the Executive Branch that will give that person access to such information flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant. See Cafeteria Workers v. McElroy, 367 U. S. 886, 367 U. S. 890 (1961). &quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Troll: 
&lt;i&gt;Just removing the documents does not declassify them. The courts have held that classification is an administrative function. Classification is simply how the government marks sensitive documents, including those relating to the national defense. Classification and declassification each require an administrative act.&lt;/i&gt;

POTUS can declass any which way he wishes. 

Troll:
&lt;i&gt;Regardless, 18 U.S. Code § 793 does not depend on classification, but on whether the information is relating to the national security. &lt;/i&gt;

And it is also just law passed by Congress, and can&#039;t interfere with POTUS authority under the Constitution.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>POTUS has broad powers to class and declass information, not controlled by Congress:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The President, after all, is the &#8220;Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States.&#8221; U.S.Const., Art. II, § 2. His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security and to determine whether an individual is sufficiently trustworthy to occupy a position in the Executive Branch that will give that person access to such information flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant. See Cafeteria Workers v. McElroy, 367 U. S. 886, 367 U. S. 890 (1961). &#8220;</i></p>
<p>Troll:<br />
<i>Just removing the documents does not declassify them. The courts have held that classification is an administrative function. Classification is simply how the government marks sensitive documents, including those relating to the national defense. Classification and declassification each require an administrative act.</i></p>
<p>POTUS can declass any which way he wishes. </p>
<p>Troll:<br />
<i>Regardless, 18 U.S. Code § 793 does not depend on classification, but on whether the information is relating to the national security. </i></p>
<p>And it is also just law passed by Congress, and can&#8217;t interfere with POTUS authority under the Constitution.</p>
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		By: Jack Archer		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/11/19/king-joe-and-the-dueling-investigations/#comment-2654324</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Archer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2022 16:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think your counter-theory is far more likely to be correct than the contrary.  It&#039;s why the Democrats gave financial support to so many Trump-endorsed, election-denying candidates in the Republican primaries.  And why the strategy, disgraceful as it was, was mostly successful.  The Democrats are about winning.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your counter-theory is far more likely to be correct than the contrary.  It&#8217;s why the Democrats gave financial support to so many Trump-endorsed, election-denying candidates in the Republican primaries.  And why the strategy, disgraceful as it was, was mostly successful.  The Democrats are about winning.</p>
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		By: JohnTyler		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/11/19/king-joe-and-the-dueling-investigations/#comment-2654305</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JohnTyler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2022 13:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: Trump and the documents he had

Any moron, any idiot can see that if Obama or Clinton or Biden - or any demokrat -  had taken the equivalent in &quot;classified&quot; documents with them upon leaving office, not one F&#039;n thing would happen to them, not one question would be raised about the nature of the documents taken . 

Recall what happened to Sandy Berger, the former Bill Clinton aide when he was caught red-handed stealing documents that were ALREADY in the National Archives. 
That&#039;s right , nothing at all happened to him. 
And recall that when this occurred, the usual gang of Clintonistas , media types and general all-around lefty talking heads provided every conceivable rationale for why Berger was innocent or why it was an oversight on his part. 

&quot;Well, Berger had to go to the men&#039;s room while at the Archives and he brought some of those documents with him to read while he was sitting on the can, and he accidentally soiled some of them , so he decided to stick the documents in his pants, take them home, clean them up , and return them to the archives at a later date.&quot; 

Who thinks that if a close aide to Bush II had been caught doing this, he would have received the same non-punishment, the same treatment from the media or talking heads? 

It is so obvious to any carbon based life form having a brain larger than that of a pebble that Joke Bidet&#039;s DOJ/FBI is utilizing the tactics of Stalin&#039;s head of the KGB, Lavrentiy Beria; &quot;show me the man and I will show you the crime.&quot;

Don&#039;t be surprised that when Trump stands trial the DOJ prosecutors  will be clones of Andrey Vyshinsky and Roland Freisler. 
Of course, the trial will be a show trial, in the best traditions of Stalin&#039;s show trials. After all, they already have determined that he is guilty. 
The DOJ / Joke Bidet just have to go through the motions of a trial to show the &quot;useful idiots&quot; that everything was done by the book. 

And there sure are plenty of useful idiots. I would not be surprised if the majority of demokrats still believe Trump was a Russian spy and Putin&#039;s lover.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Trump and the documents he had</p>
<p>Any moron, any idiot can see that if Obama or Clinton or Biden &#8211; or any demokrat &#8211;  had taken the equivalent in &#8220;classified&#8221; documents with them upon leaving office, not one F&#8217;n thing would happen to them, not one question would be raised about the nature of the documents taken . </p>
<p>Recall what happened to Sandy Berger, the former Bill Clinton aide when he was caught red-handed stealing documents that were ALREADY in the National Archives.<br />
That&#8217;s right , nothing at all happened to him.<br />
And recall that when this occurred, the usual gang of Clintonistas , media types and general all-around lefty talking heads provided every conceivable rationale for why Berger was innocent or why it was an oversight on his part. </p>
<p>&#8220;Well, Berger had to go to the men&#8217;s room while at the Archives and he brought some of those documents with him to read while he was sitting on the can, and he accidentally soiled some of them , so he decided to stick the documents in his pants, take them home, clean them up , and return them to the archives at a later date.&#8221; </p>
<p>Who thinks that if a close aide to Bush II had been caught doing this, he would have received the same non-punishment, the same treatment from the media or talking heads? </p>
<p>It is so obvious to any carbon based life form having a brain larger than that of a pebble that Joke Bidet&#8217;s DOJ/FBI is utilizing the tactics of Stalin&#8217;s head of the KGB, Lavrentiy Beria; &#8220;show me the man and I will show you the crime.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be surprised that when Trump stands trial the DOJ prosecutors  will be clones of Andrey Vyshinsky and Roland Freisler.<br />
Of course, the trial will be a show trial, in the best traditions of Stalin&#8217;s show trials. After all, they already have determined that he is guilty.<br />
The DOJ / Joke Bidet just have to go through the motions of a trial to show the &#8220;useful idiots&#8221; that everything was done by the book. </p>
<p>And there sure are plenty of useful idiots. I would not be surprised if the majority of demokrats still believe Trump was a Russian spy and Putin&#8217;s lover.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/11/19/king-joe-and-the-dueling-investigations/#comment-2654300</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2022 10:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jack Smith, continued...
(Some/All of this is likely already known to many readers....)
&quot;New Trump special prosecutor overturned by Supreme Court, tied to IRS scandal;
&quot;Jack Smith set up infamous meeting in IRS targeting of conservative groups, Congress found.&quot;---
https://justthenews.com/accountability/political-ethics/new-trump-special-prosecutor-overturned-supreme-court-tied-irs
Key grafs:
&quot;The special counsel named by the Biden administration to investigate Donald Trump oversaw a Justice Department unit rebuked by the Supreme Court for its prosecution of a prominent Republican and was linked by Congress to the IRS scandal that targeted conservative groups....
&quot;...In 2014, the House Oversight Committee concluded that during Smith&#039;s earlier stint at DOJ he set up a critical meeting between his department and IRS official Lois Lerner that set in motion the targeting of conservative nonprofits that became one of the signature scandals of the Obama administration....
&quot;Smith&#039;s tenure at DOJ also faced other controversy. He took over the Public Integrity Section in the aftermath of revelations of prosecutorial misconduct in a corruption case against Republican Sen. Ted Stevens, and he decided to drop several other pending corruption proseutions.
&quot;But his section proceeded with the prosecution of then-Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell, securing a jury conviction on 11 felony counts alleging the GOP governor&#039;s family accepted gifts in return for official public acts.
&quot;But the Supreme Court reversed the conviction in a stunning loss for DOJ, concluding that the definition of public acts used by Smith&#039;s team was unconstitutional and exceeded the definition in the bribery statutes....&quot;

And so, we present...&quot;Public Integrity&quot;, &quot;Biden&quot;-style...!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack Smith, continued&#8230;<br />
(Some/All of this is likely already known to many readers&#8230;.)<br />
&#8220;New Trump special prosecutor overturned by Supreme Court, tied to IRS scandal;<br />
&#8220;Jack Smith set up infamous meeting in IRS targeting of conservative groups, Congress found.&#8221;&#8212;<br />
<a href="https://justthenews.com/accountability/political-ethics/new-trump-special-prosecutor-overturned-supreme-court-tied-irs" rel="nofollow ugc">https://justthenews.com/accountability/political-ethics/new-trump-special-prosecutor-overturned-supreme-court-tied-irs</a><br />
Key grafs:<br />
&#8220;The special counsel named by the Biden administration to investigate Donald Trump oversaw a Justice Department unit rebuked by the Supreme Court for its prosecution of a prominent Republican and was linked by Congress to the IRS scandal that targeted conservative groups&#8230;.<br />
&#8220;&#8230;In 2014, the House Oversight Committee concluded that during Smith&#8217;s earlier stint at DOJ he set up a critical meeting between his department and IRS official Lois Lerner that set in motion the targeting of conservative nonprofits that became one of the signature scandals of the Obama administration&#8230;.<br />
&#8220;Smith&#8217;s tenure at DOJ also faced other controversy. He took over the Public Integrity Section in the aftermath of revelations of prosecutorial misconduct in a corruption case against Republican Sen. Ted Stevens, and he decided to drop several other pending corruption proseutions.<br />
&#8220;But his section proceeded with the prosecution of then-Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell, securing a jury conviction on 11 felony counts alleging the GOP governor&#8217;s family accepted gifts in return for official public acts.<br />
&#8220;But the Supreme Court reversed the conviction in a stunning loss for DOJ, concluding that the definition of public acts used by Smith&#8217;s team was unconstitutional and exceeded the definition in the bribery statutes&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>And so, we present&#8230;&#8221;Public Integrity&#8221;, &#8220;Biden&#8221;-style&#8230;!</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/11/19/king-joe-and-the-dueling-investigations/#comment-2654298</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2022 04:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks Robert.
He&#039;s quite transparent, though.

(Refreshing to discover that there are some on the murky end of the Left who still are....)

For example, &quot;Jack Smith&quot; and &quot;Public Integrity&quot; in one breath....
Ah, but it&#039;s the Obama (and &quot;Biden&quot;) DOJ&#039;s &quot;Public Integrity&quot; Section...
Oh well, then....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Robert.<br />
He&#8217;s quite transparent, though.</p>
<p>(Refreshing to discover that there are some on the murky end of the Left who still are&#8230;.)</p>
<p>For example, &#8220;Jack Smith&#8221; and &#8220;Public Integrity&#8221; in one breath&#8230;.<br />
Ah, but it&#8217;s the Obama (and &#8220;Biden&#8221;) DOJ&#8217;s &#8220;Public Integrity&#8221; Section&#8230;<br />
Oh well, then&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Robert Sendler		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/11/19/king-joe-and-the-dueling-investigations/#comment-2654293</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Sendler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2022 03:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Warning in case anyone isn&#039;t aware of him. Zachriel does this shtick over at Maggies. He&#039;s troll and a serial liar.

Be warned.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warning in case anyone isn&#8217;t aware of him. Zachriel does this shtick over at Maggies. He&#8217;s troll and a serial liar.</p>
<p>Be warned.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/11/19/king-joe-and-the-dueling-investigations/#comment-2654283</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2022 23:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i know argument clinic is too tempting some times, jack smith was party to the remarkable reversal 9-0, by the US Supreme Court (a matter the Times was oblique in pointing out), but like the case against Tom Delay or Conrad Black or Ted Stevens, they never recovered the position they had been cheated out of,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i know argument clinic is too tempting some times, jack smith was party to the remarkable reversal 9-0, by the US Supreme Court (a matter the Times was oblique in pointing out), but like the case against Tom Delay or Conrad Black or Ted Stevens, they never recovered the position they had been cheated out of,</p>
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		By: Jordan Rivers		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/11/19/king-joe-and-the-dueling-investigations/#comment-2654281</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jordan Rivers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2022 23:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[May I suggest not feeding the troll?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I suggest not feeding the troll?</p>
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		By: JJ		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/11/19/king-joe-and-the-dueling-investigations/#comment-2654274</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2022 22:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;appointing Jack Smith, the former chief of the Justice Department’s Public Integrity Section,&quot;

Excuse me, but I don&#039;t think the DOJ has any integrity.

As for Merrick Garland, the U.S. dodged a bullet when the Republicans kept him off the Supreme Court.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;appointing Jack Smith, the former chief of the Justice Department’s Public Integrity Section,&#8221;</p>
<p>Excuse me, but I don&#8217;t think the DOJ has any integrity.</p>
<p>As for Merrick Garland, the U.S. dodged a bullet when the Republicans kept him off the Supreme Court.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/11/19/king-joe-and-the-dueling-investigations/#comment-2654262</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2022 19:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;How did you think it worked?&quot;

One would have to be blind NOT to see, NOT to sense, not to FULLY COMPREHEND how the Democratic Party&#039;s (and its allies&#039; and supporters&#039;) carefully construed stratagem of unceasing, untiring, unrepentant, thuggish---and illegal---intimidation against perceived political opponents truly works.

OTOH, it&#039;s not a crime to be blind...

Yes, it&#039;s a free country, in spite of the best efforts of its current government; and people can STILL choose to be blind...if they so desire.
If it comports with their idea of the Pursuit of Happiness....(though this has too, too, often been redefined as---transformed into---the Pursuit of Hatred...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How did you think it worked?&#8221;</p>
<p>One would have to be blind NOT to see, NOT to sense, not to FULLY COMPREHEND how the Democratic Party&#8217;s (and its allies&#8217; and supporters&#8217;) carefully construed stratagem of unceasing, untiring, unrepentant, thuggish&#8212;and illegal&#8212;intimidation against perceived political opponents truly works.</p>
<p>OTOH, it&#8217;s not a crime to be blind&#8230;</p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s a free country, in spite of the best efforts of its current government; and people can STILL choose to be blind&#8230;if they so desire.<br />
If it comports with their idea of the Pursuit of Happiness&#8230;.(though this has too, too, often been redefined as&#8212;transformed into&#8212;the Pursuit of Hatred&#8230;</p>
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