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		By: R2L		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2022 03:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TEA Party:  Taxed Enough Already should have been replaced with Trim Entitlements Already.  Then their program would have been addressing the fiscal idiocy resulting prior to and during the 2008/09 collapse, etc. The focus on tax reduction is opposite of what is needed to regain the lost revenues to rebalance our fiscal and monetary ship.  As unpleasant as it is to consider, the rather better off (which presumably includes most, but maybe not all, of the commenters here) will have to make some of the sacrifices to bring entitlements under some form of control.  

Not sure how a cross-generation campaign would play out, bringing the generations under 40 (or maybe even under 50?) to an awareness that there will not be a full SS available for them, vs. what they have been paying to support their parents and grandparents retirements.  Can we contain the impact to only 20% loss on expected claims, or will it go down to 30 or 40 or 50%?  Whatever default in entitlements occurs, it will not be a surprise like the FTX situation.  [I also prefer an open and honest default over the hidden one buried in inflation.] 

I could add a litany of all the things being suggested that won&#039;t work, but will forego that and just reference Larry Kotlikoff as my main source, plus others.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TEA Party:  Taxed Enough Already should have been replaced with Trim Entitlements Already.  Then their program would have been addressing the fiscal idiocy resulting prior to and during the 2008/09 collapse, etc. The focus on tax reduction is opposite of what is needed to regain the lost revenues to rebalance our fiscal and monetary ship.  As unpleasant as it is to consider, the rather better off (which presumably includes most, but maybe not all, of the commenters here) will have to make some of the sacrifices to bring entitlements under some form of control.  </p>
<p>Not sure how a cross-generation campaign would play out, bringing the generations under 40 (or maybe even under 50?) to an awareness that there will not be a full SS available for them, vs. what they have been paying to support their parents and grandparents retirements.  Can we contain the impact to only 20% loss on expected claims, or will it go down to 30 or 40 or 50%?  Whatever default in entitlements occurs, it will not be a surprise like the FTX situation.  [I also prefer an open and honest default over the hidden one buried in inflation.] </p>
<p>I could add a litany of all the things being suggested that won&#8217;t work, but will forego that and just reference Larry Kotlikoff as my main source, plus others.</p>
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		By: Philip Sells		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip Sells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2022 00:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is interesting, the language that a good many of the anti-traditional marriage supporters are using, speaking of how this Senate bill &quot;enshrines&quot; such things. I think it a telling detail.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting, the language that a good many of the anti-traditional marriage supporters are using, speaking of how this Senate bill &#8220;enshrines&#8221; such things. I think it a telling detail.</p>
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		By: Jordan Rivers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jordan Rivers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2022 22:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rufus wrote &quot;...the biggest fear of the Democrat and Republican parties is that Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party/MAGA realize they are on the same team.&quot;

Tea (Taxed Enough Already) Party traditional conservatives, and Make America Great Again people are not on the same team as Anarcho-Communist crazies Occupy Wall Street.

Re the Uniparty, sundance calls the Republican Party the GAP, or Generic American Party.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rufus wrote &#8220;&#8230;the biggest fear of the Democrat and Republican parties is that Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party/MAGA realize they are on the same team.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tea (Taxed Enough Already) Party traditional conservatives, and Make America Great Again people are not on the same team as Anarcho-Communist crazies Occupy Wall Street.</p>
<p>Re the Uniparty, sundance calls the Republican Party the GAP, or Generic American Party.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2022 19:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[yes they did a bunch of times, but when it came to the big tests, they dropped the ball


https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/alt-take-ftx-what-if-it-was-built]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes they did a bunch of times, but when it came to the big tests, they dropped the ball</p>
<p><a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/alt-take-ftx-what-if-it-was-built" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/alt-take-ftx-what-if-it-was-built</a></p>
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		By: Leland		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2022 19:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While not quite as glib about mentioning &quot;uniparty&quot;, I tend to understand and believe it more than disagree that it is a thing.  So, I thought about writing about that disagreement with neo until I read:
&quot;&lt;i&gt;Did you pay attention to how the GOP-led Congress behaved during the first two years of the Trump Administration?&lt;/i&gt;&quot;
Then I remembered that the GOP-led Congress tried to get rid of Obamacare and a few other things, but for a very small set of Republicans that voted mostly against Trump rather than for Democrats, which I think is neo&#039;s point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While not quite as glib about mentioning &#8220;uniparty&#8221;, I tend to understand and believe it more than disagree that it is a thing.  So, I thought about writing about that disagreement with neo until I read:<br />
&#8220;<i>Did you pay attention to how the GOP-led Congress behaved during the first two years of the Trump Administration?</i>&#8221;<br />
Then I remembered that the GOP-led Congress tried to get rid of Obamacare and a few other things, but for a very small set of Republicans that voted mostly against Trump rather than for Democrats, which I think is neo&#8217;s point.</p>
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		By: PA+Cat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2022 18:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On 4) again: San Francisco is setting up a program (Guaranteed Income For Transgenders or GIFT) to pay a select group of 55 transgender residents $1200 per month for 18 months: &lt;i&gt;The program will prioritize enrollment of Transgender, Non-Binary, Gender Non-Conforming, and Intersex (TGI) people who are also Black, Indigenous, or People of Color (BIPOC), experiencing homelessness, living with disabilities and chronic illnesses, youth and elders, monolingual Spanish-speakers, and those who are legally vulnerable such as TGI people who are undocumented, engaging in survival sex trades, ?or are formerly incarcerated.&lt;/i&gt;

https://www.dailywire.com/news/san-francisco-launches-program-to-pay-trans-residents-1200-a-month-for-18-months

Well, when David DePape gets out of his SF jail, all he has to do is claim he&#039;s trans, and he&#039;s good to go.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On 4) again: San Francisco is setting up a program (Guaranteed Income For Transgenders or GIFT) to pay a select group of 55 transgender residents $1200 per month for 18 months: <i>The program will prioritize enrollment of Transgender, Non-Binary, Gender Non-Conforming, and Intersex (TGI) people who are also Black, Indigenous, or People of Color (BIPOC), experiencing homelessness, living with disabilities and chronic illnesses, youth and elders, monolingual Spanish-speakers, and those who are legally vulnerable such as TGI people who are undocumented, engaging in survival sex trades, ?or are formerly incarcerated.</i></p>
<p><a href="https://www.dailywire.com/news/san-francisco-launches-program-to-pay-trans-residents-1200-a-month-for-18-months" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.dailywire.com/news/san-francisco-launches-program-to-pay-trans-residents-1200-a-month-for-18-months</a></p>
<p>Well, when David DePape gets out of his SF jail, all he has to do is claim he&#8217;s trans, and he&#8217;s good to go.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/11/16/its-roundup-time-again-3/#comment-2653656</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2022 17:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding the GOP and the Tea Party,

My perception was the GOP was sabotaging the Tea Party while pretending to be their friend, much the way they have done with MAGA.

And, as I&#039;ve said for years, the biggest fear of the Democrat and Republican parties is that Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party/MAGA realize they are on the same team. That&#039;s why they keep gin&#039;ning up petty battles over fringe issues; bathrooms, student loans... to keep OWS and TP/MAGA thinking they are enemies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the GOP and the Tea Party,</p>
<p>My perception was the GOP was sabotaging the Tea Party while pretending to be their friend, much the way they have done with MAGA.</p>
<p>And, as I&#8217;ve said for years, the biggest fear of the Democrat and Republican parties is that Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party/MAGA realize they are on the same team. That&#8217;s why they keep gin&#8217;ning up petty battles over fringe issues; bathrooms, student loans&#8230; to keep OWS and TP/MAGA thinking they are enemies.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/11/16/its-roundup-time-again-3/#comment-2653648</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2022 16:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, some may be salivating...but, as they say, &quot;Don&#039;t [spit] till you see the whites of their eyes...
&quot;‘Joe Biden Was The Chairman Of The Board’: Republicans Claim President WAS Involved In Hunter’s Foreign Deals Involving ’50 Countries’, Insist Accounts Were ‘Co-Mingled’ And White House Spent $250K To Deflect Stories On Son&quot;---
https://blazingcatfur.ca/2022/11/17/joe-biden-was-the-chairman-of-the-board-republicans-claim-president-was-involved-in-hunters-foreign-deals-involving-50-countries-insist-accounts-were-co-mingled-and-white-house-spent/
Huh? Only $250K??
Oh wait, it&#039;s a Daily Mail story...(whatever that might mean...)

File under: Great Expectorations...
- - - - - - - - -
Actually, what I really want to know is...
Where&#039;s Tulsi???]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, some may be salivating&#8230;but, as they say, &#8220;Don&#8217;t [spit] till you see the whites of their eyes&#8230;<br />
&#8220;‘Joe Biden Was The Chairman Of The Board’: Republicans Claim President WAS Involved In Hunter’s Foreign Deals Involving ’50 Countries’, Insist Accounts Were ‘Co-Mingled’ And White House Spent $250K To Deflect Stories On Son&#8221;&#8212;<br />
<a href="https://blazingcatfur.ca/2022/11/17/joe-biden-was-the-chairman-of-the-board-republicans-claim-president-was-involved-in-hunters-foreign-deals-involving-50-countries-insist-accounts-were-co-mingled-and-white-house-spent/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://blazingcatfur.ca/2022/11/17/joe-biden-was-the-chairman-of-the-board-republicans-claim-president-was-involved-in-hunters-foreign-deals-involving-50-countries-insist-accounts-were-co-mingled-and-white-house-spent/</a><br />
Huh? Only $250K??<br />
Oh wait, it&#8217;s a Daily Mail story&#8230;(whatever that might mean&#8230;)</p>
<p>File under: Great Expectorations&#8230;<br />
&#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211;<br />
Actually, what I really want to know is&#8230;<br />
Where&#8217;s Tulsi???</p>
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		By: Banned Lizard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/11/16/its-roundup-time-again-3/#comment-2653604</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Banned Lizard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2022 11:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ballot harvesting and mail-in voting is a conundrum I address &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenewneo.com/2022/11/16/trump-is-running-can-he-make-trump-great-again/#comment-2653602&quot;&gt;in a neighboring thread&lt;/a&gt;, along with a caveat that I&#039;ll repeat here. 

&lt;i&gt;It is safe to assume that casting illegal ballots for dead, ineligible, and nonexistent voters is unpalatable and off the table for virtually the entire MAGAverse. If that’s what it takes to win, we’ll take the loss. Trump most certainly won’t go there, as his brand will only be enhanced (win or lose) if he keeps playing it straight.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ll add that accepting the short-term consequence of ethical conduct spares us the hellish karma that Democrats will inherit down the road.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ballot harvesting and mail-in voting is a conundrum I address <a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2022/11/16/trump-is-running-can-he-make-trump-great-again/#comment-2653602">in a neighboring thread</a>, along with a caveat that I&#8217;ll repeat here. </p>
<p><i>It is safe to assume that casting illegal ballots for dead, ineligible, and nonexistent voters is unpalatable and off the table for virtually the entire MAGAverse. If that’s what it takes to win, we’ll take the loss. Trump most certainly won’t go there, as his brand will only be enhanced (win or lose) if he keeps playing it straight.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll add that accepting the short-term consequence of ethical conduct spares us the hellish karma that Democrats will inherit down the road.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2022 09:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ huxley &#062; &quot;There really are valid slippery slopes and valid conspiracy theories. &quot;

Even the Washington Post agrees with you - now that it won&#039;t affect the midterms.
This is only the latest in a string of MSM reports that are essentially admitting that the claims dismissed earlier as just specious tinfoil-hattery on the Right were -- what a surprise! -- actually true.

https://www.westernjournal.com/right-wapo-quietly-admits-truth-trumps-documents-election/?ff_source=site&#038;ff_medium=aggregator10&#038;ff_campaign=can
&lt;blockquote&gt;One week after the midterms, The Washington Post quietly reported that, well, remember those classified documents former President Donald Trump allegedly took to his home in the Mar-a-Lago Club, the ones that prompted the FBI to raid his home? Yeah, he wasn’t doing anything “nefarious” with them.

No nuke-selling to the Saudis, apparently! How about that? Huh. Well, carry on, WaPo readers! Thanks for voting Democrat!

In the Monday report, the Post noted that investigators “believe former president Donald Trump’s motive for allegedly taking and keeping classified documents was largely his ego and a desire to hold on to the materials as trophies or mementos.”
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ huxley &gt; &#8220;There really are valid slippery slopes and valid conspiracy theories. &#8221;</p>
<p>Even the Washington Post agrees with you &#8211; now that it won&#8217;t affect the midterms.<br />
This is only the latest in a string of MSM reports that are essentially admitting that the claims dismissed earlier as just specious tinfoil-hattery on the Right were &#8212; what a surprise! &#8212; actually true.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.westernjournal.com/right-wapo-quietly-admits-truth-trumps-documents-election/?ff_source=site&#038;ff_medium=aggregator10&#038;ff_campaign=can" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.westernjournal.com/right-wapo-quietly-admits-truth-trumps-documents-election/?ff_source=site&#038;ff_medium=aggregator10&#038;ff_campaign=can</a></p>
<blockquote><p>One week after the midterms, The Washington Post quietly reported that, well, remember those classified documents former President Donald Trump allegedly took to his home in the Mar-a-Lago Club, the ones that prompted the FBI to raid his home? Yeah, he wasn’t doing anything “nefarious” with them.</p>
<p>No nuke-selling to the Saudis, apparently! How about that? Huh. Well, carry on, WaPo readers! Thanks for voting Democrat!</p>
<p>In the Monday report, the Post noted that investigators “believe former president Donald Trump’s motive for allegedly taking and keeping classified documents was largely his ego and a desire to hold on to the materials as trophies or mementos.”
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