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		By: JTW		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/11/12/voting-in-italy/#comment-2653393</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2022 03:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Netherlands:
- no mail in voting
- no early voting
- government issued photo ID required
- every citizen allowed to vote (meaning everyone over 18) gets a physical voting card stating which polling station(s) they&#039;re to use and which election the card is for mailed to their home address as known. This is required to be handed in, you get your ballot(s) in exchange. Number of handed out ballots is double checked against the number of received cards.
- voting in person only. Each person can only be authorised to vote for 2 other people, and only people voting in the same polling place (thus limiting ballot harvesting).
- if you want to vote somewhere else (e.g. you&#039;re working too far from home to make it back there before the polling stations close) you need to apply for getting your polling place changed to your city of residence, and will be issued a new card listing the new polling station in exchange for your old one at least 2 weeks before election day.
- voting machines (both mechanical and electronic) are illegal. Only paper ballots marked by a special marker supplied by the polling station are allowed. Any other marker invalidates the ballot.
- citizens residing abroad have to vote in person at their nearest consulate or embassy (which becomes their polling station for the day). Same rules apply for them as for everyone else.

Doesn&#039;t quite make fraud impossible, but extremely difficult.
Now if only our politicians would actually honour the outcome of the elections.
And if there weren&#039;t persistent rumours that the actual election outcome doesn&#039;t reflect the ballots collected but is determined between the party leaderships months in advance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Netherlands:<br />
&#8211; no mail in voting<br />
&#8211; no early voting<br />
&#8211; government issued photo ID required<br />
&#8211; every citizen allowed to vote (meaning everyone over 18) gets a physical voting card stating which polling station(s) they&#8217;re to use and which election the card is for mailed to their home address as known. This is required to be handed in, you get your ballot(s) in exchange. Number of handed out ballots is double checked against the number of received cards.<br />
&#8211; voting in person only. Each person can only be authorised to vote for 2 other people, and only people voting in the same polling place (thus limiting ballot harvesting).<br />
&#8211; if you want to vote somewhere else (e.g. you&#8217;re working too far from home to make it back there before the polling stations close) you need to apply for getting your polling place changed to your city of residence, and will be issued a new card listing the new polling station in exchange for your old one at least 2 weeks before election day.<br />
&#8211; voting machines (both mechanical and electronic) are illegal. Only paper ballots marked by a special marker supplied by the polling station are allowed. Any other marker invalidates the ballot.<br />
&#8211; citizens residing abroad have to vote in person at their nearest consulate or embassy (which becomes their polling station for the day). Same rules apply for them as for everyone else.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t quite make fraud impossible, but extremely difficult.<br />
Now if only our politicians would actually honour the outcome of the elections.<br />
And if there weren&#8217;t persistent rumours that the actual election outcome doesn&#8217;t reflect the ballots collected but is determined between the party leaderships months in advance.</p>
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		By: Strange Daze Mon Daze		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/11/12/voting-in-italy/#comment-2653079</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2022 15:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] But the US has become an unserious country, I’m afraid.  We do have an absurd voting system, at least in many blue states as well as many purple states, which of course affects the entire outcome. And perhaps “absurd” is a kind word for our voting process. What’s more, we not only have a cognitively challenged president, we have a president who is obviously cognitively challenged. Just a few years ago most of us wouldn’t have believed it possible. We also are about to have a senator from Pennsylvania who is cognitively challenged in a different way, and was elected despite it. [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] But the US has become an unserious country, I’m afraid.  We do have an absurd voting system, at least in many blue states as well as many purple states, which of course affects the entire outcome. And perhaps “absurd” is a kind word for our voting process. What’s more, we not only have a cognitively challenged president, we have a president who is obviously cognitively challenged. Just a few years ago most of us wouldn’t have believed it possible. We also are about to have a senator from Pennsylvania who is cognitively challenged in a different way, and was elected despite it. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: MonicaF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2022 15:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In Spain we have to show our identity card to be able to vote. The vote is done by papers that we put inside an envelope. We put the envelope inside a box. If we have to vote for different elections on the same day, for example senate, congress and regional elections, there is a different box for each of the elections, and different papers and envelopes with a different color for each election. 

Voting hours are from 8 am to 8 pm. After 8 pm boxes are opened one by one and the People on each electoral table count them by hand. There are three People in each table during the whole day and until the voting is counted. These three people are chosen randomly from the census and are paid 50 euros for their work. 

Besides those 3 People, every political party can send watchers Who have the right to stay there the whole day and take part in the counting. They make sure that there are always enough papers of every polítical party to choose from. Anyway, we are also sent home papers and envelopes for every major political party and every election, so most of us take them ready from home inside the envelopes. 

By 11 pm of Election day the results are already counted and official. The boxes with the votes inside are precinted by the Police, signed by everyone who took part in the counting, and taken to the nearest justice court by a member of the electoral table escorted by two policemen. The boxes are storaged there should a recounting be necessary. 

If someone wants to vote by mail, they have to ask for it in avance in a post office, and they have to show their ID and sign. The vote is precinted and sent in advance.

The system is so serious, safe and efficient that People in Spain can not believe how it is done in the USA. They literally dont believe me when I tell them about it. And so, they always think republicans are antidemocratic to suspect the results. The system is so third World that we can not associate it with the USA. But of course demography is destiny and the USA is at exponential speed leaving the first World and entering the third. As are France, Belgium, Sweden, England, etc.

The socialist goverment of Spain this week has passed a law giving spress spanish nacionality to southamerican children and grandchildren of spaniards. Of course those People Will vote by mail and the mail voting in Venezuela or Cuba for example May not be as trustable. It seems like the same modus operandi is working everywhere against western civilization.

Inmigration and vote fraud.

As Bertolt Brecht said, the goverments are electing a new People.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Spain we have to show our identity card to be able to vote. The vote is done by papers that we put inside an envelope. We put the envelope inside a box. If we have to vote for different elections on the same day, for example senate, congress and regional elections, there is a different box for each of the elections, and different papers and envelopes with a different color for each election. </p>
<p>Voting hours are from 8 am to 8 pm. After 8 pm boxes are opened one by one and the People on each electoral table count them by hand. There are three People in each table during the whole day and until the voting is counted. These three people are chosen randomly from the census and are paid 50 euros for their work. </p>
<p>Besides those 3 People, every political party can send watchers Who have the right to stay there the whole day and take part in the counting. They make sure that there are always enough papers of every polítical party to choose from. Anyway, we are also sent home papers and envelopes for every major political party and every election, so most of us take them ready from home inside the envelopes. </p>
<p>By 11 pm of Election day the results are already counted and official. The boxes with the votes inside are precinted by the Police, signed by everyone who took part in the counting, and taken to the nearest justice court by a member of the electoral table escorted by two policemen. The boxes are storaged there should a recounting be necessary. </p>
<p>If someone wants to vote by mail, they have to ask for it in avance in a post office, and they have to show their ID and sign. The vote is precinted and sent in advance.</p>
<p>The system is so serious, safe and efficient that People in Spain can not believe how it is done in the USA. They literally dont believe me when I tell them about it. And so, they always think republicans are antidemocratic to suspect the results. The system is so third World that we can not associate it with the USA. But of course demography is destiny and the USA is at exponential speed leaving the first World and entering the third. As are France, Belgium, Sweden, England, etc.</p>
<p>The socialist goverment of Spain this week has passed a law giving spress spanish nacionality to southamerican children and grandchildren of spaniards. Of course those People Will vote by mail and the mail voting in Venezuela or Cuba for example May not be as trustable. It seems like the same modus operandi is working everywhere against western civilization.</p>
<p>Inmigration and vote fraud.</p>
<p>As Bertolt Brecht said, the goverments are electing a new People.</p>
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		By: Cappy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/11/12/voting-in-italy/#comment-2653073</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2022 14:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Italy is laughing at our election process, but the shame isn&#039;t definitive until Poland weighs in.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Italy is laughing at our election process, but the shame isn&#8217;t definitive until Poland weighs in.</p>
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		By: bob sykes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/11/12/voting-in-italy/#comment-2653070</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bob sykes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2022 14:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nearly all our cities, certainly all our major cities, have African levels of poverty, violence and corruption. All elections are stolen. and that goes back deep into the 19th Century.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nearly all our cities, certainly all our major cities, have African levels of poverty, violence and corruption. All elections are stolen. and that goes back deep into the 19th Century.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/11/12/voting-in-italy/#comment-2653041</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2022 06:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ JJ &#062; &quot;Not resolving this contentious issue is tearing the country apart.&quot;

For the Left, that is a feature, not a bug.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ JJ &gt; &#8220;Not resolving this contentious issue is tearing the country apart.&#8221;</p>
<p>For the Left, that is a feature, not a bug.</p>
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		By: JJ		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/11/12/voting-in-italy/#comment-2653038</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2022 05:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The truth is that Italy&#039;s voting system recognizes the eternal fact that some people will cheat. So, it&#039;s designed to stop charters cold.  

The Democrat mantra for many, many years has been that too many voters are &quot;disenfranchised&quot; by making the rules restrictive.   Voter ID just isn&#039;t fair to poor and disadvantaged minorities. Yet, no one can function in our society without having an ID. Thier mantra also demands that we trust everybody - that there are no cheaters.  Yeah, like there are no illegal aliens flooding across our borders and fentanyl addiction isn&#039;t a crisis.

Unless it&#039;s acknowledged up front that cheating does occur, and all election procedures must be designed to defeat cheating; elections will be questioned. Otherwise, many voters will not trust the results.

Whenever election results are questioned, the mantra is that &quot;everybody knows&quot; the questions are &quot;baseless.&quot;  My question to the election officials in Arizona, Nevada, Washington, California, and other states where the procedures are questioned is this: Why not be totally transparent about all issues. You claim the questions are baseless. Open the books. Prove it so that all of your voters will agree that the election was honest, and the count correct.  The future of the nation as a democratic republic depends on all citizens trusting our elections. Not resolving this contentious issue is tearing the country apart.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth is that Italy&#8217;s voting system recognizes the eternal fact that some people will cheat. So, it&#8217;s designed to stop charters cold.  </p>
<p>The Democrat mantra for many, many years has been that too many voters are &#8220;disenfranchised&#8221; by making the rules restrictive.   Voter ID just isn&#8217;t fair to poor and disadvantaged minorities. Yet, no one can function in our society without having an ID. Thier mantra also demands that we trust everybody &#8211; that there are no cheaters.  Yeah, like there are no illegal aliens flooding across our borders and fentanyl addiction isn&#8217;t a crisis.</p>
<p>Unless it&#8217;s acknowledged up front that cheating does occur, and all election procedures must be designed to defeat cheating; elections will be questioned. Otherwise, many voters will not trust the results.</p>
<p>Whenever election results are questioned, the mantra is that &#8220;everybody knows&#8221; the questions are &#8220;baseless.&#8221;  My question to the election officials in Arizona, Nevada, Washington, California, and other states where the procedures are questioned is this: Why not be totally transparent about all issues. You claim the questions are baseless. Open the books. Prove it so that all of your voters will agree that the election was honest, and the count correct.  The future of the nation as a democratic republic depends on all citizens trusting our elections. Not resolving this contentious issue is tearing the country apart.</p>
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		By: ObloodyHell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/11/12/voting-in-italy/#comment-2653028</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2022 02:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[But.... but.... but....

&lt;b&gt;How can America be driven bananas without a Banana Republic Grade® voting system?&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But&#8230;. but&#8230;. but&#8230;.</p>
<p><b>How can America be driven bananas without a Banana Republic Grade® voting system?</b></p>
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		By: JD Keene		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/11/12/voting-in-italy/#comment-2652972</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JD Keene]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2022 19:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I recently learned that another of the D&#039;s changes in how we vote occurred in larger cities. In those cities voters would go to small neighborhood locations with short lines to vote. The small number of votes were easy to count accurately.

The D&#039;s changed that by moving all voting to huge venues. Now we have big lines and huge opportunities for skullduggery.

Can&#039;t say D&#039;s are dumb... They have attacked our voting processes methodically, all for their advantage, whilst the R&#039;s bury their heads in the sand or create false fears about a guy called Trump and then call their brokers to check on their net worth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently learned that another of the D&#8217;s changes in how we vote occurred in larger cities. In those cities voters would go to small neighborhood locations with short lines to vote. The small number of votes were easy to count accurately.</p>
<p>The D&#8217;s changed that by moving all voting to huge venues. Now we have big lines and huge opportunities for skullduggery.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t say D&#8217;s are dumb&#8230; They have attacked our voting processes methodically, all for their advantage, whilst the R&#8217;s bury their heads in the sand or create false fears about a guy called Trump and then call their brokers to check on their net worth.</p>
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		By: Sgt. Joe Friday		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/11/12/voting-in-italy/#comment-2652960</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2022 17:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t Pennsylvania more unionized than most states? I&#039;d bet that Fetterman owes his margin of victory to union shop stewards &quot;strongly suggesting&quot; their members vote a certain way. If they hear someone voted otherwise, bad stuff could happen.

The whole thing is rigged, and I don&#039;t mean necessarily voter fraud; the GOP threw the election. Why else would Lindsay Graham propose a national ban on abortion in mid-September, 6 weeks before the election? Why would Mitch McConnell send money to Lisa Murkowski and not support Blake Masters in a winnable contest? You&#039;ve got Kevin McCarthy as house GOP leader, but he&#039;s an empty suit who scares absolutely no one, and even if the Republicans eek out a slim majority, Pelosi will find enough bribable Republicans that she could remain Speaker of the House.

Pathetic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t Pennsylvania more unionized than most states? I&#8217;d bet that Fetterman owes his margin of victory to union shop stewards &#8220;strongly suggesting&#8221; their members vote a certain way. If they hear someone voted otherwise, bad stuff could happen.</p>
<p>The whole thing is rigged, and I don&#8217;t mean necessarily voter fraud; the GOP threw the election. Why else would Lindsay Graham propose a national ban on abortion in mid-September, 6 weeks before the election? Why would Mitch McConnell send money to Lisa Murkowski and not support Blake Masters in a winnable contest? You&#8217;ve got Kevin McCarthy as house GOP leader, but he&#8217;s an empty suit who scares absolutely no one, and even if the Republicans eek out a slim majority, Pelosi will find enough bribable Republicans that she could remain Speaker of the House.</p>
<p>Pathetic.</p>
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