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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/11/05/jon-meacham-bidens-speeches-and-the-soul-of-america/#comment-2651844</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[his wife&#039;s influence and omidyars money, that drove him off the road, metaphorically,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>his wife&#8217;s influence and omidyars money, that drove him off the road, metaphorically,</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2022 00:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JanMN:

I agree with what you say as far as it goes. What I can&#039;t understand is the ones who support the Biden administration and so many other Democrats.

Some say they are grifters and it&#039;s all about money, but that&#039;s not the way I had perceived people like Bill Kristol or Joshua Goldberg previously.  If they never cared about conservative principles, they certainly gave a good imitation of it before Trump came along.

Or maybe their conservative principles were something like: speak in academic terms and never enter the rough-and-tumble fray.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JanMN:</p>
<p>I agree with what you say as far as it goes. What I can&#8217;t understand is the ones who support the Biden administration and so many other Democrats.</p>
<p>Some say they are grifters and it&#8217;s all about money, but that&#8217;s not the way I had perceived people like Bill Kristol or Joshua Goldberg previously.  If they never cared about conservative principles, they certainly gave a good imitation of it before Trump came along.</p>
<p>Or maybe their conservative principles were something like: speak in academic terms and never enter the rough-and-tumble fray.</p>
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		By: JanMN		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2022 23:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Never Trumpers can be explained, IMHO, as a feature of belonging to a class, or aspiring to do so. The &quot;class&quot; is not so much socio-economic as enlightened (self-described), believing themselves sophisticated, virtuous, capable of running the country according to its best interests, because those who are not similarly enlightened can&#039;t be entrusted with such grave responsibility.  They are especially fearful of being categorized with others of their party who have supported Trump. They are incapable of grasping the fact that Trump accomplished things they might have applauded were it not Trump who made them happen. They are driven by the need to be seen as virtuous and the need to belong to the better class, not much else that I can see. 

They are mission-driven, and, unless they&#039;ve already defected to the Democrats, their commitment to saving the Party and the country is fanatic and lets them easily disregard facts and the authoritarian actions of those in power.

It&#039;s not about the issues, it&#039;s all about themselves and how they need to be regarded.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Never Trumpers can be explained, IMHO, as a feature of belonging to a class, or aspiring to do so. The &#8220;class&#8221; is not so much socio-economic as enlightened (self-described), believing themselves sophisticated, virtuous, capable of running the country according to its best interests, because those who are not similarly enlightened can&#8217;t be entrusted with such grave responsibility.  They are especially fearful of being categorized with others of their party who have supported Trump. They are incapable of grasping the fact that Trump accomplished things they might have applauded were it not Trump who made them happen. They are driven by the need to be seen as virtuous and the need to belong to the better class, not much else that I can see. </p>
<p>They are mission-driven, and, unless they&#8217;ve already defected to the Democrats, their commitment to saving the Party and the country is fanatic and lets them easily disregard facts and the authoritarian actions of those in power.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about the issues, it&#8217;s all about themselves and how they need to be regarded.</p>
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		By: djf		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[djf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2022 21:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, I don&#039;t think the fact that Meacham was chosen as the official biographer of GHW Bush &#038; wife (after they left the White House, of course) means that he is or ever was &quot;tight&quot; with the Bushes. Do you really think he knew the Bushes socially and one day, over gin and tonics after golf or sailing, George said, &quot;Gee, Jon, wouldn&#039;t it be the bee&#039;s knees for you to write my biography?&quot; I can&#039;t imagine that, or anything like that, happening.

Obviously, people like the Bushes have staffs that, among other things, can search for writers of popular history (who probably did not even vote for the subject) who are willing to be paid (no doubt handsomely) to rehabilitate a moderate Republican president&#039;s reputation in the eyes of at least the center-Left portion of the media and the book-buying pseudo-intellectual gentry. That seems to be what happened here.

The only significance of the question of whether Meacham was somehow a &quot;conservative&quot; is that, if he&#039;s always been on the Left (even the &quot;center&quot; Left), it really makes no sense to call him a never-Trumper.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, I don&#8217;t think the fact that Meacham was chosen as the official biographer of GHW Bush &amp; wife (after they left the White House, of course) means that he is or ever was &#8220;tight&#8221; with the Bushes. Do you really think he knew the Bushes socially and one day, over gin and tonics after golf or sailing, George said, &#8220;Gee, Jon, wouldn&#8217;t it be the bee&#8217;s knees for you to write my biography?&#8221; I can&#8217;t imagine that, or anything like that, happening.</p>
<p>Obviously, people like the Bushes have staffs that, among other things, can search for writers of popular history (who probably did not even vote for the subject) who are willing to be paid (no doubt handsomely) to rehabilitate a moderate Republican president&#8217;s reputation in the eyes of at least the center-Left portion of the media and the book-buying pseudo-intellectual gentry. That seems to be what happened here.</p>
<p>The only significance of the question of whether Meacham was somehow a &#8220;conservative&#8221; is that, if he&#8217;s always been on the Left (even the &#8220;center&#8221; Left), it really makes no sense to call him a never-Trumper.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2022 20:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[among bush biographers, mecham wasn&#039;t as bad as jean smith, or stephen ambrose, or others that are out of my memory, the level of innuendo they allow into republican bios, is rather startling, like the october surprise, or the discredited rathergate,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>among bush biographers, mecham wasn&#8217;t as bad as jean smith, or stephen ambrose, or others that are out of my memory, the level of innuendo they allow into republican bios, is rather startling, like the october surprise, or the discredited rathergate,</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2022 19:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[djf:

See &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenewneo.com/2022/11/05/jon-meacham-bidens-speeches-and-the-soul-of-america/#comment-2651700&quot;&gt;my comment here&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>djf:</p>
<p>See <a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2022/11/05/jon-meacham-bidens-speeches-and-the-soul-of-america/#comment-2651700">my comment here</a>.</p>
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		By: djf		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2022 19:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see any evidence from the Wikipedia article about Meacham (to which Neo links) that he was ever a &quot;Bush Republican&quot; or any other kind of Republican. His having been chosen as official biographer of GHW Bush and Barbara Bush is no indication that he was a Republican; typically, establishment Republicans choose mainstream academics or journalists (virtually all of whom are on the Left) as official biographers (e.g. Reagan&#039;s and WF Buckley&#039;s respective official biographers).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see any evidence from the Wikipedia article about Meacham (to which Neo links) that he was ever a &#8220;Bush Republican&#8221; or any other kind of Republican. His having been chosen as official biographer of GHW Bush and Barbara Bush is no indication that he was a Republican; typically, establishment Republicans choose mainstream academics or journalists (virtually all of whom are on the Left) as official biographers (e.g. Reagan&#8217;s and WF Buckley&#8217;s respective official biographers).</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2022 19:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[June:

Unlike the others, though, Beck later said he&#039;d been wrong and apologized to Trump.  &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Eosa4ChV5U&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;See this&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>June:</p>
<p>Unlike the others, though, Beck later said he&#8217;d been wrong and apologized to Trump.  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Eosa4ChV5U" rel="nofollow ugc">See this</a>.</p>
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		By: Abraxas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abraxas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2022 17:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Meacham&#039;s &lt;i&gt;The Soul of America&lt;/i&gt; is &lt;i&gt;Profiles in Courage&lt;/i&gt; without the gestures that Kennedy/Sorenson/Schlesinger had to make to appease Southern segregationists and Midwestern Republicans.  The smarm factor is much higher, since Kennedy and his ghost writers could make those little nods acknowledging those on the other side.  In those days, some chivalry towards one&#039;s opponents and history&#039;s losers was expected in order to keep the country together -- and Kennedy, who didn&#039;t take a stand against McCarthy had a personal interest in tolerating of divergent views.  Meacham lines up all his heroes in one procession and slathers them with pious approval.  It&#039;s a simpler view of the world.

The endless repetition of the same phrases in Biden&#039;s speeches, and presumably in Meacham&#039;s contributions to them -- is that a rhetorical or propaganda device, or an indication that Meacham and Biden have very few ideas and very few arguments?  Also, doesn&#039;t the mixture of the pious and the militant appeal to both the better and the worse angels of his listeners&#039; nature?  If the soul of the country is at stake, isn&#039;t anything allowable to win the battle?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meacham&#8217;s <i>The Soul of America</i> is <i>Profiles in Courage</i> without the gestures that Kennedy/Sorenson/Schlesinger had to make to appease Southern segregationists and Midwestern Republicans.  The smarm factor is much higher, since Kennedy and his ghost writers could make those little nods acknowledging those on the other side.  In those days, some chivalry towards one&#8217;s opponents and history&#8217;s losers was expected in order to keep the country together &#8212; and Kennedy, who didn&#8217;t take a stand against McCarthy had a personal interest in tolerating of divergent views.  Meacham lines up all his heroes in one procession and slathers them with pious approval.  It&#8217;s a simpler view of the world.</p>
<p>The endless repetition of the same phrases in Biden&#8217;s speeches, and presumably in Meacham&#8217;s contributions to them &#8212; is that a rhetorical or propaganda device, or an indication that Meacham and Biden have very few ideas and very few arguments?  Also, doesn&#8217;t the mixture of the pious and the militant appeal to both the better and the worse angels of his listeners&#8217; nature?  If the soul of the country is at stake, isn&#8217;t anything allowable to win the battle?</p>
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		By: PA+Cat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PA+Cat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2022 17:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Abraxas noted &quot; . . . the reverential and ritual references to the Brotherhood of Man and Fatherhood of God . . . in the 1960s.&quot; You left out the third article of the post-Christian Unitarian creed: The Neighborhood of Boston.

Which brings me to that long-time Hahvahd-based &quot;presidential historian,&quot; Doris Kearns Goodwin: she has been the subject of at least two plagiarism controversies, one of which led her to &quot;resign from the Pulitzer Prize Board and to relinquish her position as a regular guest on the PBS NewsHour program.&quot; 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doris_Kearns_Goodwin#Plagiarism_controversies

As for politicized historiography-- I doubt I&#039;m the only one of Neo&#039;s readers who remembers the 2001--2002 scandal about Michael Bellesiles&#039; book titled &lt;i&gt;Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture.&lt;/i&gt; The book was initially welcomed by a swarm of academic historians because it could be weaponized, so to speak, in opposition to the NRA and mainstream American gun culture. The book was awarded the prestigious Bancroft Prize in 2001-- but after Bellesiles&#039; research was found to be wildly inaccurate in some areas and fraudulent in others, he lost his professorship at Emory, his prize was revoked, and he ended up working as a bartender-- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arming_America]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abraxas noted &#8221; . . . the reverential and ritual references to the Brotherhood of Man and Fatherhood of God . . . in the 1960s.&#8221; You left out the third article of the post-Christian Unitarian creed: The Neighborhood of Boston.</p>
<p>Which brings me to that long-time Hahvahd-based &#8220;presidential historian,&#8221; Doris Kearns Goodwin: she has been the subject of at least two plagiarism controversies, one of which led her to &#8220;resign from the Pulitzer Prize Board and to relinquish her position as a regular guest on the PBS NewsHour program.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doris_Kearns_Goodwin#Plagiarism_controversies" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doris_Kearns_Goodwin#Plagiarism_controversies</a></p>
<p>As for politicized historiography&#8211; I doubt I&#8217;m the only one of Neo&#8217;s readers who remembers the 2001&#8211;2002 scandal about Michael Bellesiles&#8217; book titled <i>Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture.</i> The book was initially welcomed by a swarm of academic historians because it could be weaponized, so to speak, in opposition to the NRA and mainstream American gun culture. The book was awarded the prestigious Bancroft Prize in 2001&#8211; but after Bellesiles&#8217; research was found to be wildly inaccurate in some areas and fraudulent in others, he lost his professorship at Emory, his prize was revoked, and he ended up working as a bartender&#8211; see <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arming_America" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arming_America</a></p>
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