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		By: Molly Brown		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/10/25/open-thread-10-25-22/#comment-2650033</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Molly Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2022 05:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Prebunking, hmmm.  Have they not heard of the &#039;Streisand Effect&#039;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prebunking, hmmm.  Have they not heard of the &#8216;Streisand Effect&#8217;?</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/10/25/open-thread-10-25-22/#comment-2649848</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2022 05:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Barry &#062; &quot;“If You Liked Big Brother, Meet Google’s Big MUM” &quot;

I liked their neologism &quot;prebunking&quot; aka anticipatory debunking

&lt;blockquote&gt;Jigsaw, the company&#039;s most explicitly political arm, is researching what it calls &quot;prebunking&quot; or attacking views it opposes before they can even gain traction. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Barry &gt; &#8220;“If You Liked Big Brother, Meet Google’s Big MUM” &#8221;</p>
<p>I liked their neologism &#8220;prebunking&#8221; aka anticipatory debunking</p>
<blockquote><p>Jigsaw, the company&#8217;s most explicitly political arm, is researching what it calls &#8220;prebunking&#8221; or attacking views it opposes before they can even gain traction.
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/10/25/open-thread-10-25-22/#comment-2649846</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2022 05:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ David Foster &#062; &quot;My most recent post: Trafalgar, 1805, and the USA, 2022:&quot;

Excellent article, and interesting comments.

Obligatory nitpicking: Your headline actually reads 
&quot;Tragalgar, 1805, and the USA, 2022&quot;

I don&#039;t know if you can edit posts or not, but it was a bit disconcerting to wonder if I had chanced upon the wrong battle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ David Foster &gt; &#8220;My most recent post: Trafalgar, 1805, and the USA, 2022:&#8221;</p>
<p>Excellent article, and interesting comments.</p>
<p>Obligatory nitpicking: Your headline actually reads<br />
&#8220;Tragalgar, 1805, and the USA, 2022&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if you can edit posts or not, but it was a bit disconcerting to wonder if I had chanced upon the wrong battle.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/10/25/open-thread-10-25-22/#comment-2649814</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2022 00:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is why I wear a Barbour coat and hope to pass it on to my heirs, along with my modest accumulation of Stickley furniture.
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&lt;i&gt;The Barbour Way of Life - Their Jacket, Their Story

The people that I associate with my Barbour jacket would be my parents. They bought their Barbour coats from the North Shields factory when we lived in Newcastle. They were the only coats recommended. Everyone wore them because they were the one coat that kept out the wind, rain and snow. I was only two, and after that, nearly every memory of my mum out on a walk has her wearing her trusty Barbour. I still see her, collar up, walking through the New Forest, hands in pockets, talking to friends on a Sunday stroll. I can still feel the waxy hugs and that Barbour smell.

Years later, that coat was passed on to me. I had it sent off, repaired and relaxed, and I started my own adventures with it. It was the only coat that comfortably fitted my baby bump when I was pregnant with our daughter. Whilst I now have a Barbour of my own, mum’s coat is hanging up, waiting to go to my daughter when she’s ready to have her own adventures.

https://www.barbour.com/us/blog/my-barbour-jacket-story&lt;/i&gt;
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Tradition!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I wear a Barbour coat and hope to pass it on to my heirs, along with my modest accumulation of Stickley furniture.<br />
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<p><i>The Barbour Way of Life &#8211; Their Jacket, Their Story</p>
<p>The people that I associate with my Barbour jacket would be my parents. They bought their Barbour coats from the North Shields factory when we lived in Newcastle. They were the only coats recommended. Everyone wore them because they were the one coat that kept out the wind, rain and snow. I was only two, and after that, nearly every memory of my mum out on a walk has her wearing her trusty Barbour. I still see her, collar up, walking through the New Forest, hands in pockets, talking to friends on a Sunday stroll. I can still feel the waxy hugs and that Barbour smell.</p>
<p>Years later, that coat was passed on to me. I had it sent off, repaired and relaxed, and I started my own adventures with it. It was the only coat that comfortably fitted my baby bump when I was pregnant with our daughter. Whilst I now have a Barbour of my own, mum’s coat is hanging up, waiting to go to my daughter when she’s ready to have her own adventures.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.barbour.com/us/blog/my-barbour-jacket-story" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.barbour.com/us/blog/my-barbour-jacket-story</a></i><br />
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<p>Tradition!</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/10/25/open-thread-10-25-22/#comment-2649812</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2022 23:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;From my experience the typical American has far more clothes than folks in other countries. I can’t imagine what a European would think if they saw a walk-in closet that is now fairly common in American suburbs.&lt;/i&gt;

Rufus T. Firefly:

Couldn&#039;t look it up now, but as I recall in 1900 quite a few deceased Americans left behind no more than a few changes of clothes and a footlocker of some books, keepsakes and a modest amount of cash.

I doubt most Americans understand that Europeans, for all their sophistication, live about half-class down from America. Middle-class in Europe is lower-middle-class in America.

If Peter Zeihan is right, that&#039;s about to get worse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>From my experience the typical American has far more clothes than folks in other countries. I can’t imagine what a European would think if they saw a walk-in closet that is now fairly common in American suburbs.</i></p>
<p>Rufus T. Firefly:</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t look it up now, but as I recall in 1900 quite a few deceased Americans left behind no more than a few changes of clothes and a footlocker of some books, keepsakes and a modest amount of cash.</p>
<p>I doubt most Americans understand that Europeans, for all their sophistication, live about half-class down from America. Middle-class in Europe is lower-middle-class in America.</p>
<p>If Peter Zeihan is right, that&#8217;s about to get worse.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/10/25/open-thread-10-25-22/#comment-2649811</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2022 23:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[lesson in choosing the &#039;wrong side&#039; being the abraham accords


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11353433/Ex-Trump-advisor-Tom-Barrack-says-tied-Trump-disastrous-business.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lesson in choosing the &#8216;wrong side&#8217; being the abraham accords</p>
<p><a href="https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11353433/Ex-Trump-advisor-Tom-Barrack-says-tied-Trump-disastrous-business.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11353433/Ex-Trump-advisor-Tom-Barrack-says-tied-Trump-disastrous-business.html</a></p>
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		By: JJ		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/10/25/open-thread-10-25-22/#comment-2649809</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2022 23:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good point, David Foster. Reminds me of the two dustups over Quemoy and Matsu Islands in the Taiwan Straits.
 
&quot;In 1955 and again in 1958, China and the United States came dangerously close to active combat over control of Quemoy and Matsu, two small islands just off the coast of the mainland PRC.&quot;
https://www.19fortyfive.com/2021/10/the-taiwan-crisis-you-are-missing-a-chinese-invasion-of-quemoy-and-matsu/

The Seventh Fleet was receiving many messages directing their activities. 

The British Navy, which had a carrier and a couple of destroyers in the area, received one message from the British Admiralty. &quot;Protect the Queen&#039;s interests.&quot;   I doubt the Brits are still operating that way these days.  Bureaucracy has overtaken all.  

Oh, for the simplicity of knowing what the nation&#039;s interests are and then defending them. 

In Vietnam the Pentagon was actually in radio contact with the strike leaders and directing activities on major Rolling Thunder ops. Comms technology has put the bureaucracy right on the warrior&#039;s shoulder.  Not necessarily a good thing.

Every squadron I was ever in that had a micro-managing CO also had low morale.  There&#039;s a lesson there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, David Foster. Reminds me of the two dustups over Quemoy and Matsu Islands in the Taiwan Straits.</p>
<p>&#8220;In 1955 and again in 1958, China and the United States came dangerously close to active combat over control of Quemoy and Matsu, two small islands just off the coast of the mainland PRC.&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.19fortyfive.com/2021/10/the-taiwan-crisis-you-are-missing-a-chinese-invasion-of-quemoy-and-matsu/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.19fortyfive.com/2021/10/the-taiwan-crisis-you-are-missing-a-chinese-invasion-of-quemoy-and-matsu/</a></p>
<p>The Seventh Fleet was receiving many messages directing their activities. </p>
<p>The British Navy, which had a carrier and a couple of destroyers in the area, received one message from the British Admiralty. &#8220;Protect the Queen&#8217;s interests.&#8221;   I doubt the Brits are still operating that way these days.  Bureaucracy has overtaken all.  </p>
<p>Oh, for the simplicity of knowing what the nation&#8217;s interests are and then defending them. </p>
<p>In Vietnam the Pentagon was actually in radio contact with the strike leaders and directing activities on major Rolling Thunder ops. Comms technology has put the bureaucracy right on the warrior&#8217;s shoulder.  Not necessarily a good thing.</p>
<p>Every squadron I was ever in that had a micro-managing CO also had low morale.  There&#8217;s a lesson there.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/10/25/open-thread-10-25-22/#comment-2649789</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2022 20:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Democrats between a rock and hard place on inflation and the economy.
(Gosh, wonder how THAT ever happened...)

And so, it&#039;s time...to throw Jerome Powell under the bus:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/recession-and-mass-layoffs-imminent-dems-throw-feds-powell-under-bus-risking-millions

(Well, you gotta blame somebody...Palestinian Rules and all...)

All of which might make one wonder, is all this Joe Manchin&#039;s doing? Joe Manchin&#039;s achievement? Joe Manchin&#039;s &quot;coup&quot;? 
Joe Manchin&#039;s revenge?

IOW, did the wily Schumer sweet talk Manchin into destroying the Democratic party? (Or helping mightily to do so?)

And if so...do I owe Manchin an apology...for something he never intended to do??

File under: Doing the right things...for all the wrong reasons...?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democrats between a rock and hard place on inflation and the economy.<br />
(Gosh, wonder how THAT ever happened&#8230;)</p>
<p>And so, it&#8217;s time&#8230;to throw Jerome Powell under the bus:<br />
<a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/political/recession-and-mass-layoffs-imminent-dems-throw-feds-powell-under-bus-risking-millions" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.zerohedge.com/political/recession-and-mass-layoffs-imminent-dems-throw-feds-powell-under-bus-risking-millions</a></p>
<p>(Well, you gotta blame somebody&#8230;Palestinian Rules and all&#8230;)</p>
<p>All of which might make one wonder, is all this Joe Manchin&#8217;s doing? Joe Manchin&#8217;s achievement? Joe Manchin&#8217;s &#8220;coup&#8221;?<br />
Joe Manchin&#8217;s revenge?</p>
<p>IOW, did the wily Schumer sweet talk Manchin into destroying the Democratic party? (Or helping mightily to do so?)</p>
<p>And if so&#8230;do I owe Manchin an apology&#8230;for something he never intended to do??</p>
<p>File under: Doing the right things&#8230;for all the wrong reasons&#8230;?</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/10/25/open-thread-10-25-22/#comment-2649778</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, I was thinking that all this could&#039;ve been prevented had Musk bought the damn thing weeks ago....

Now, I&#039;m beginning to think that such an invaluable means of suppression and censorship WON&#039;T be sold until at least after the election, if ever....

Related (alas):
&quot;If You Liked Big Brother, Meet Google&#039;s Big MUM&quot;---
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/19027/google-mum
...an infotech/search-engine horror story as told by Daniel Greenfield...
Key sentence (RTWT):
&quot;...By reducing the number of sources to only those that agree with its agenda, Google is able to deliver fast results while getting rid of different points of view....&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I was thinking that all this could&#8217;ve been prevented had Musk bought the damn thing weeks ago&#8230;.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m beginning to think that such an invaluable means of suppression and censorship WON&#8217;T be sold until at least after the election, if ever&#8230;.</p>
<p>Related (alas):<br />
&#8220;If You Liked Big Brother, Meet Google&#8217;s Big MUM&#8221;&#8212;<br />
<a href="https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/19027/google-mum" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/19027/google-mum</a><br />
&#8230;an infotech/search-engine horror story as told by Daniel Greenfield&#8230;<br />
Key sentence (RTWT):<br />
&#8220;&#8230;By reducing the number of sources to only those that agree with its agenda, Google is able to deliver fast results while getting rid of different points of view&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/10/25/open-thread-10-25-22/#comment-2649775</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, if Twitter is throttling conservatives&#039; tweets it may be because the employees are taking Musk&#039;s threats to fire 75% of them seriously. Free speech! The horror!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if Twitter is throttling conservatives&#8217; tweets it may be because the employees are taking Musk&#8217;s threats to fire 75% of them seriously. Free speech! The horror!</p>
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