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		By: Cappy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2022 13:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here comes a Uranaus joke!]]></description>
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		By: Richard G.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard G.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2022 19:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am always impressed and amused by the erudition of people in these discussions. 
Now we find ourselves investigating the eructation of &#039;Black Holes&#039;. I have questions for anyone who can lend insight into the science behind these enigmas.

There are 4 mathematical Black Hole solutions to Einstein&#039;s field equation of gravity in special relativity. To define the terms, Q= electric charge and J= spin angular momentum. 
1)Schwarzchild requires that Q=0 and J=0 with the cosmological constant=0, with the gravitating mass isolated in a vacuum in a one mass universe where the black hole is the only mass that exists.
2)Kerr  requires that Q=0 and J = not 0, again with the gravitating mass isolated in a vacuum in a one mass universe where the black hole is the only mass that exists.
3)Reissner-Nordstrom requires that Q= not 0 and J=0 with a static metric in which Nothing Is Moving i.e. the gravitational field of an electrically charged* non-rotating spherically symmetrical body of mass where nothing moves. (It strikes me that this precludes the possibility of collapse, being inwardly directed movement.)
4)Kerr-Newman requires that Q= not 0 and J= not 0 with the cosmological constant =0. This solution is dismissed because observed astronomical objects do not possess appreciable net electric charge.(*this objection also applies to #3) 

The first three solutions do not describe the universe I observe that is populated with millions of galaxies and billions of stars, none isolated, all whizzing around interacting gravitationally, and traveling in an interstellar medium composed of electromagnetic ionized plasma that ebbs and flows. Our space probes and telescopes have indeed found that electrical charge separation exists in space.

In my book one does not get to create a black hole in the isolated abstract environment of your computer model code and then get to plunk this math generated invisible phantom down willy nilly in the universe to explain something you can not explain.  
&quot;...now it’s dramatically lit up to become one of the most radio luminous TDEs ever observed.” 
In the physics lab we observe that radio emissions are generated by electric currents flowing in conductors. In nature we observe that electrical lighting discharges through an atmospheric ionized conducting plasma pathway while generating intense radio emissions. 
My conjecture is that the swirling cloud of spagetified plasma is highly conductive. A fluctuating magnetic field produces an electric current in a conductor. The Electric current produces radio emissions. They are observing cosmic scale lightning.

Cosmology needs to incorporate plasma physics into the inertia/gravity model.
Rip the black hole band aid off the failing model. It will be painful to many. Hubble and Webb are illuminating our ignorance and it is a glorious thing to witness...unexpectedly.
A Mark Twain Quote is apt: “There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am always impressed and amused by the erudition of people in these discussions.<br />
Now we find ourselves investigating the eructation of &#8216;Black Holes&#8217;. I have questions for anyone who can lend insight into the science behind these enigmas.</p>
<p>There are 4 mathematical Black Hole solutions to Einstein&#8217;s field equation of gravity in special relativity. To define the terms, Q= electric charge and J= spin angular momentum.<br />
1)Schwarzchild requires that Q=0 and J=0 with the cosmological constant=0, with the gravitating mass isolated in a vacuum in a one mass universe where the black hole is the only mass that exists.<br />
2)Kerr  requires that Q=0 and J = not 0, again with the gravitating mass isolated in a vacuum in a one mass universe where the black hole is the only mass that exists.<br />
3)Reissner-Nordstrom requires that Q= not 0 and J=0 with a static metric in which Nothing Is Moving i.e. the gravitational field of an electrically charged* non-rotating spherically symmetrical body of mass where nothing moves. (It strikes me that this precludes the possibility of collapse, being inwardly directed movement.)<br />
4)Kerr-Newman requires that Q= not 0 and J= not 0 with the cosmological constant =0. This solution is dismissed because observed astronomical objects do not possess appreciable net electric charge.(*this objection also applies to #3) </p>
<p>The first three solutions do not describe the universe I observe that is populated with millions of galaxies and billions of stars, none isolated, all whizzing around interacting gravitationally, and traveling in an interstellar medium composed of electromagnetic ionized plasma that ebbs and flows. Our space probes and telescopes have indeed found that electrical charge separation exists in space.</p>
<p>In my book one does not get to create a black hole in the isolated abstract environment of your computer model code and then get to plunk this math generated invisible phantom down willy nilly in the universe to explain something you can not explain.<br />
&#8220;&#8230;now it’s dramatically lit up to become one of the most radio luminous TDEs ever observed.”<br />
In the physics lab we observe that radio emissions are generated by electric currents flowing in conductors. In nature we observe that electrical lighting discharges through an atmospheric ionized conducting plasma pathway while generating intense radio emissions.<br />
My conjecture is that the swirling cloud of spagetified plasma is highly conductive. A fluctuating magnetic field produces an electric current in a conductor. The Electric current produces radio emissions. They are observing cosmic scale lightning.</p>
<p>Cosmology needs to incorporate plasma physics into the inertia/gravity model.<br />
Rip the black hole band aid off the failing model. It will be painful to many. Hubble and Webb are illuminating our ignorance and it is a glorious thing to witness&#8230;unexpectedly.<br />
A Mark Twain Quote is apt: “There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.”</p>
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		By: Marck Fabijancich		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marck Fabijancich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2022 03:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Boobah&#039;s explanation of Hawking Radiation is different from what I read about 2 years ago. There it was described as material that was able to &#039;escape&#039; as the black hole grew old and its gravitational strength weaken.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boobah&#8217;s explanation of Hawking Radiation is different from what I read about 2 years ago. There it was described as material that was able to &#8216;escape&#8217; as the black hole grew old and its gravitational strength weaken.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jack Woodward:

Not exactly.  &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenewneo.com/2022/09/29/the-webb-the-early-galaxies-and-the-big-bang/&quot;&gt;Please see this&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack Woodward:</p>
<p>Not exactly.  <a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2022/09/29/the-webb-the-early-galaxies-and-the-big-bang/">Please see this</a>.</p>
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		By: Dnaxy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dnaxy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To say nothing can exit a black hole’s event horizon is not exactly true. Gravitational waves are generated by accelerating masses and, therefore such things as black holes in orbits. These have some energy as they change distances between masses and exert forces on matter. Energy has some mass. These waves therefore have some e=mc^2 mass. So black holes are allowing some mass to escape the event horizon in the form of these waves. 

Perhaps if the mass equivalent of gravitational waves were larger or if the black hole was larger, these waves could not leave the black hole and we would truly have no way to detect them. Perhaps there are such massive black holes that they are truly undetectable and they do not change the curvature of spacetime or emit gravitational waves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To say nothing can exit a black hole’s event horizon is not exactly true. Gravitational waves are generated by accelerating masses and, therefore such things as black holes in orbits. These have some energy as they change distances between masses and exert forces on matter. Energy has some mass. These waves therefore have some e=mc^2 mass. So black holes are allowing some mass to escape the event horizon in the form of these waves. </p>
<p>Perhaps if the mass equivalent of gravitational waves were larger or if the black hole was larger, these waves could not leave the black hole and we would truly have no way to detect them. Perhaps there are such massive black holes that they are truly undetectable and they do not change the curvature of spacetime or emit gravitational waves.</p>
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		By: Mythx		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mythx]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2022 15:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While being a complete amateur on such subjects, yet utterly fascinated by them. I think I would fall on the Time Dilation side of things.

From our frame of reference the matter is coming out 3 years later. But that is irrelevant from the point of the matter. If we had been able to measure things from the perspective of the matter. It probably would have seemed like only a small fraction of that. 

Now if it could be shown that the matter passed the event horizon. Then we clearly demonstrate that we do not have a particularly firm grasp of physics of black holes.

As so many theories abound about how such massive structures actually operate. I think astrophysics needs to seriously consider (if it has not already) that this particular field requires something along the lines of sub-atomic theories. That the testable and observable physics we regularly rely on for daily life. Simply falls apart at the testable micro and macro limits of what we observe]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While being a complete amateur on such subjects, yet utterly fascinated by them. I think I would fall on the Time Dilation side of things.</p>
<p>From our frame of reference the matter is coming out 3 years later. But that is irrelevant from the point of the matter. If we had been able to measure things from the perspective of the matter. It probably would have seemed like only a small fraction of that. </p>
<p>Now if it could be shown that the matter passed the event horizon. Then we clearly demonstrate that we do not have a particularly firm grasp of physics of black holes.</p>
<p>As so many theories abound about how such massive structures actually operate. I think astrophysics needs to seriously consider (if it has not already) that this particular field requires something along the lines of sub-atomic theories. That the testable and observable physics we regularly rely on for daily life. Simply falls apart at the testable micro and macro limits of what we observe</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2022 14:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sheer mass of the nebula i suppose

In interstellar they placed a planrt on the edge of a black hole and it somehow sustained an atmosphere unpossible]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheer mass of the nebula i suppose</p>
<p>In interstellar they placed a planrt on the edge of a black hole and it somehow sustained an atmosphere unpossible</p>
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		By: Tatterdemalian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatterdemalian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2022 14:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s still a lot we don&#039;t understand about gravity. Under the known laws of thermodynamics, nebulae shouldn&#039;t be able to so massively reverse the overall trend toward increasing entropy and decreasing energy without sapient intervention, yet we&#039;ve watched them do just that repeatedly.

At this point we&#039;re essentially at the primitive stage in astrophysics where we&#039;re watching birds and bugs and even bats, and asking, &quot;If they can fly, why can&#039;t I?&quot;

And there&#039;s no way to tell exactly which &quot;That&#039;s odd...&quot; moment will result in a discovery that lets us escape and possibly even prevent the heat-death of the universe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s still a lot we don&#8217;t understand about gravity. Under the known laws of thermodynamics, nebulae shouldn&#8217;t be able to so massively reverse the overall trend toward increasing entropy and decreasing energy without sapient intervention, yet we&#8217;ve watched them do just that repeatedly.</p>
<p>At this point we&#8217;re essentially at the primitive stage in astrophysics where we&#8217;re watching birds and bugs and even bats, and asking, &#8220;If they can fly, why can&#8217;t I?&#8221;</p>
<p>And there&#8217;s no way to tell exactly which &#8220;That&#8217;s odd&#8230;&#8221; moment will result in a discovery that lets us escape and possibly even prevent the heat-death of the universe.</p>
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		By: Elessedil		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elessedil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2022 14:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Speaking in general terms, isn’t time *very* dilated in the vicinity of the event horizon, for particles on geodetic lines that come very close to, but do not cross, the event horizon?

If the star approached the black hole on a trajectory that just barely grazed the event horizon (basically an orbit with a periapsis at or just above the Schwarzschild radius), or a bit of the star’s infalling gas got accelerated onto such a trajectory, might time dilation alone account for the subjective slowness of that close approach as seen by a distant observer, i.e. us?

In the proper time of the gas, it saw no delay at all, just a very fast pass through periapsis, but an observer at a moderate distance might have watched it traverse that trajectory in slow motion (with any radiation generated during the close approach being very faint due to the extreme gravitational redshift?), and at a greater distance, it would look as if the gas disappeared and then reappeared after a delay?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking in general terms, isn’t time *very* dilated in the vicinity of the event horizon, for particles on geodetic lines that come very close to, but do not cross, the event horizon?</p>
<p>If the star approached the black hole on a trajectory that just barely grazed the event horizon (basically an orbit with a periapsis at or just above the Schwarzschild radius), or a bit of the star’s infalling gas got accelerated onto such a trajectory, might time dilation alone account for the subjective slowness of that close approach as seen by a distant observer, i.e. us?</p>
<p>In the proper time of the gas, it saw no delay at all, just a very fast pass through periapsis, but an observer at a moderate distance might have watched it traverse that trajectory in slow motion (with any radiation generated during the close approach being very faint due to the extreme gravitational redshift?), and at a greater distance, it would look as if the gas disappeared and then reappeared after a delay?</p>
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		By: Jack Woodward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Woodward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2022 13:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The images from the James Web Space Telescope have cast serious doubt on the standard model of the cosmos, i.e., the Big Bang.  There is another model, Plasma Cosmology, that accounts for the phenomena observed in the cosmos without relying on hypothetical constructs like black holes, dark matter, etc; the well-known natural laws of electromagnetism, demonstrated experimentally in labs for over a century, are all that&#039;s required.  Why haven&#039;t you heard of it?  The astrophysical community has been propping up the Big Bang, unwilling to consider alternatives despite its problems.  This article from IAI by Dr. Eric Lerner, a plasma scientist, will explain:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlFpq49Ri8Y&#038;t=2936s]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The images from the James Web Space Telescope have cast serious doubt on the standard model of the cosmos, i.e., the Big Bang.  There is another model, Plasma Cosmology, that accounts for the phenomena observed in the cosmos without relying on hypothetical constructs like black holes, dark matter, etc; the well-known natural laws of electromagnetism, demonstrated experimentally in labs for over a century, are all that&#8217;s required.  Why haven&#8217;t you heard of it?  The astrophysical community has been propping up the Big Bang, unwilling to consider alternatives despite its problems.  This article from IAI by Dr. Eric Lerner, a plasma scientist, will explain:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlFpq49Ri8Y&#038;t=2936s" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlFpq49Ri8Y&#038;t=2936s</a></p>
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