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		By: Dnaxy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/09/29/the-webb-the-early-galaxies-and-the-big-bang/#comment-2645621</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2022 01:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think it’s interesting that about 239 watts/m^2 are coming into the earth’s atmosphere and 239 watts/m^2 are leaving for space. This leads one to think that if the lower layer of the troposphere is heating there must be another layer that is cooling. 

The conditions of the primordial soup of a supposed big bang must have had a very low entropy because of the second law. Yet Entropy has the units of joules/kelvin and we know kelvin must have been fantastically high at t=Slightly &#062;0. So how is it that joules can be so low in such a hot soup? 

Gravitational waves have energy. They are stretching and condensing matter. If they have energy they have some mass from E= mc^2. Are there black holes so massive that they keep gravitational waves from forming from acceleration of black holes? How would these black holes be detected? 

Is there dark matter black holes? 
Are there black holes with dark energy expanding their diameters?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it’s interesting that about 239 watts/m^2 are coming into the earth’s atmosphere and 239 watts/m^2 are leaving for space. This leads one to think that if the lower layer of the troposphere is heating there must be another layer that is cooling. </p>
<p>The conditions of the primordial soup of a supposed big bang must have had a very low entropy because of the second law. Yet Entropy has the units of joules/kelvin and we know kelvin must have been fantastically high at t=Slightly &gt;0. So how is it that joules can be so low in such a hot soup? </p>
<p>Gravitational waves have energy. They are stretching and condensing matter. If they have energy they have some mass from E= mc^2. Are there black holes so massive that they keep gravitational waves from forming from acceleration of black holes? How would these black holes be detected? </p>
<p>Is there dark matter black holes?<br />
Are there black holes with dark energy expanding their diameters?</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2022 23:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;But note as soon as those arguments show up, the opposition runs away, ala Zachriel. --physicsguy&lt;/i&gt;

One of my favorite WF Buckley quotes:
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&lt;i&gt;Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.

--William F. Buckley&lt;/i&gt;
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Today&#039;s liberals are leftists, who know there are other views and that they lack effective counter-arguments, so they have moved right along to censoring, canceling, prosecuting, and otherwise ruining lives.

They haven&#039;t quite reached gulags and stake-burning yet, but &quot;Scientific American&quot; called Dr. Judith Curry a &quot;climate heretic&quot; in 2010, then blamed her for the lack of civil conversation, so I would guess, when fanatics are in charge, it&#039;s only a matter of time and opportunity before more extreme punishments emerge:
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&lt;i&gt;Climate Heretic: Judith Curry Turns on Her Colleagues
Why can&#039;t we have a civil conversation about climate?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-heretic/&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But note as soon as those arguments show up, the opposition runs away, ala Zachriel. &#8211;physicsguy</i></p>
<p>One of my favorite WF Buckley quotes:<br />
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<p><i>Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.</p>
<p>&#8211;William F. Buckley</i><br />
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<p>Today&#8217;s liberals are leftists, who know there are other views and that they lack effective counter-arguments, so they have moved right along to censoring, canceling, prosecuting, and otherwise ruining lives.</p>
<p>They haven&#8217;t quite reached gulags and stake-burning yet, but &#8220;Scientific American&#8221; called Dr. Judith Curry a &#8220;climate heretic&#8221; in 2010, then blamed her for the lack of civil conversation, so I would guess, when fanatics are in charge, it&#8217;s only a matter of time and opportunity before more extreme punishments emerge:<br />
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<p><i>Climate Heretic: Judith Curry Turns on Her Colleagues<br />
Why can&#8217;t we have a civil conversation about climate?</p>
<p><a href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-heretic/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-heretic/</a></i></p>
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		By: Tom		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2022 22:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There was No big bang.  It is a theory.  Explosions create chaos.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was No big bang.  It is a theory.  Explosions create chaos.</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/09/29/the-webb-the-early-galaxies-and-the-big-bang/#comment-2645537</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FOAF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2022 18:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“zachriel” is a committed hard left troll who used to pollute Professor Jacobson’s excellent Legal Insurrection blog.  Apparently he has been given a new assignment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“zachriel” is a committed hard left troll who used to pollute Professor Jacobson’s excellent Legal Insurrection blog.  Apparently he has been given a new assignment.</p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/09/29/the-webb-the-early-galaxies-and-the-big-bang/#comment-2645536</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2022 18:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I recently saw a collection of curves purporting to show the performance of a dozen or so climate models against actual temperatures over an extended period of several decades.

Interestingly, the model with (by far) the best performance was that of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

This may be some creative data manipulation, or it may (more likely, imho) be that the Russians know better than to use the bs they fabricate for everyone else to use!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently saw a collection of curves purporting to show the performance of a dozen or so climate models against actual temperatures over an extended period of several decades.</p>
<p>Interestingly, the model with (by far) the best performance was that of the Russian Academy of Sciences.</p>
<p>This may be some creative data manipulation, or it may (more likely, imho) be that the Russians know better than to use the bs they fabricate for everyone else to use!</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/09/29/the-webb-the-early-galaxies-and-the-big-bang/#comment-2645517</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2022 17:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[P.S.  Also of interest were some articles which pointed out that, after the fall of  the USSR, a lot of communist officials reinvented/rebranded/transformed themselves into becoming &quot;climate activists.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.  Also of interest were some articles which pointed out that, after the fall of  the USSR, a lot of communist officials reinvented/rebranded/transformed themselves into becoming &#8220;climate activists.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2022 17:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kudos to: &quot;Please don’t cite Scientific American as a serious source on scientific matters.&quot;

I remember when I switched to a new junior high school, and found their trove of Scientific American magazines in the library! I thought I had died and gone to heaven!

Years later, in October of 2008, they delivered to this proud subscriber an issue that contained a paper claiming to prove that Presidential Candidate McCain got better media coverage than Candidate Obama! This  seemed unbelievable, until you read the fine print that told you that the data was gathered during the prior year primary season, not during that summer&#039;s election season!

Of course, during the primary season the year before, &quot;Maverick&quot; McCain was the Media&#039;s darling stalking horse set up for Hillary, and Obama was the upstart who was challenging &quot;Her Inevitableness&quot;! So this had nothing to do with their treatment by the media during the actual election season, an issue which it was clearly touted to address!

I cancelled my subscription, and have never looked at the rag since!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to: &#8220;Please don’t cite Scientific American as a serious source on scientific matters.&#8221;</p>
<p>I remember when I switched to a new junior high school, and found their trove of Scientific American magazines in the library! I thought I had died and gone to heaven!</p>
<p>Years later, in October of 2008, they delivered to this proud subscriber an issue that contained a paper claiming to prove that Presidential Candidate McCain got better media coverage than Candidate Obama! This  seemed unbelievable, until you read the fine print that told you that the data was gathered during the prior year primary season, not during that summer&#8217;s election season!</p>
<p>Of course, during the primary season the year before, &#8220;Maverick&#8221; McCain was the Media&#8217;s darling stalking horse set up for Hillary, and Obama was the upstart who was challenging &#8220;Her Inevitableness&#8221;! So this had nothing to do with their treatment by the media during the actual election season, an issue which it was clearly touted to address!</p>
<p>I cancelled my subscription, and have never looked at the rag since!</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2022 16:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Many years ago, as the beginning of the push for solutions to &quot;global warming&quot;/&quot;climate change&quot; began, and debates raged, I ran across an article discussing how the climate change computer model a lot of &quot;climate activists/advocates/experts/officials&quot; were relying on--advocates who were furious that anyone could challenge and not believe that such a disaster was upon us, activists who were in favor of drastic action to reverse such climate change--was a model which did not take into account in it&#039;s calculations the effects of the oceans, the 7/10ths of the Earth&#039;s surface that is covered by water--too hard to model don&#039;t ya know.  

Well, that was it for me.

Then, of course, there was the entirely separate issue of  whether such a push, an effort that was intended to involve the entire world--based on a largely illusory problem which, in any case, actions by humans could not effect in any major way--was, in fact, a disguised attempt by the Left--those, often self nominated  &quot;climate activists/advocates/experts/officials&quot;--to advance further toward the  goals of the Left, to reorder society, and to see to it that those on the Left acquired ever more control, power, and money as they supposedly fought the supposed &quot;existential threat&quot; of global warming.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many years ago, as the beginning of the push for solutions to &#8220;global warming&#8221;/&#8221;climate change&#8221; began, and debates raged, I ran across an article discussing how the climate change computer model a lot of &#8220;climate activists/advocates/experts/officials&#8221; were relying on&#8211;advocates who were furious that anyone could challenge and not believe that such a disaster was upon us, activists who were in favor of drastic action to reverse such climate change&#8211;was a model which did not take into account in it&#8217;s calculations the effects of the oceans, the 7/10ths of the Earth&#8217;s surface that is covered by water&#8211;too hard to model don&#8217;t ya know.  </p>
<p>Well, that was it for me.</p>
<p>Then, of course, there was the entirely separate issue of  whether such a push, an effort that was intended to involve the entire world&#8211;based on a largely illusory problem which, in any case, actions by humans could not effect in any major way&#8211;was, in fact, a disguised attempt by the Left&#8211;those, often self nominated  &#8220;climate activists/advocates/experts/officials&#8221;&#8211;to advance further toward the  goals of the Left, to reorder society, and to see to it that those on the Left acquired ever more control, power, and money as they supposedly fought the supposed &#8220;existential threat&#8221; of global warming.</p>
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		By: Brian E		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2022 16:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;Nature World News, September 14:  “Due to the Increase of Oil Prices, Switching To Renewable Energy Could Save Trillions Than Using Fossil Fuels.”   “An Oxford University study claimed that switching from fossil fuels to renewable energy might save the world $12 trillion (£10.2 trillion) by the year 2050. . . .  However, the researchers asserted that the declining cost of renewable energy means that going green currently makes financial sense.”

There are dozens more of these out there should you care to do an internet search.

My main response is:  This paper and others like it are exactly why we citizens and taxpayers need to demand a working and fully-costed demonstration project before we allow ourselves all to be used as guinea pigs in the implementation of these preposterous wind/solar fantasies.  As I wrote in a post just a few days ago, if this is so easy and will save so much money, then California and New York should show the rest of us how it’s done before everyone else is forced to go along.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; -Manhattan Contrarian

JJ suggested we need demonstration projects to prove the viability of relying on renewables. So has Manhattan Contrarian. The elephant, of course, is storage. Until there is a breakthrough technology invented, storage costs make the entire exercise in renewables futile.

The Contrarian does some calculations of what we can expect the costs of Lithium batteries in the foreseeable future and future technologies based on hydrogen.

https://www.manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2022-9-16-cost-of-the-green-energy-transition-who-you-gonna-believe-me-or-your-lyin-eyes]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Nature World News, September 14:  “Due to the Increase of Oil Prices, Switching To Renewable Energy Could Save Trillions Than Using Fossil Fuels.”   “An Oxford University study claimed that switching from fossil fuels to renewable energy might save the world $12 trillion (£10.2 trillion) by the year 2050. . . .  However, the researchers asserted that the declining cost of renewable energy means that going green currently makes financial sense.”</p>
<p>There are dozens more of these out there should you care to do an internet search.</p>
<p>My main response is:  This paper and others like it are exactly why we citizens and taxpayers need to demand a working and fully-costed demonstration project before we allow ourselves all to be used as guinea pigs in the implementation of these preposterous wind/solar fantasies.  As I wrote in a post just a few days ago, if this is so easy and will save so much money, then California and New York should show the rest of us how it’s done before everyone else is forced to go along.&#8221;</i> -Manhattan Contrarian</p>
<p>JJ suggested we need demonstration projects to prove the viability of relying on renewables. So has Manhattan Contrarian. The elephant, of course, is storage. Until there is a breakthrough technology invented, storage costs make the entire exercise in renewables futile.</p>
<p>The Contrarian does some calculations of what we can expect the costs of Lithium batteries in the foreseeable future and future technologies based on hydrogen.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2022-9-16-cost-of-the-green-energy-transition-who-you-gonna-believe-me-or-your-lyin-eyes" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2022-9-16-cost-of-the-green-energy-transition-who-you-gonna-believe-me-or-your-lyin-eyes</a></p>
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		By: Owen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2022 16:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[stu @ 11:46: &quot;...What actual evidence is there that atmospheric CO2 is the control knob of the climate?&quot;

I am not a physicist (and I don&#039;t even play one on TV).  But in my defense I am a science geek and a longtime fan of Richard Feynman and similar super-clear thinkers.  So, subject to comments from the real physicists on this thread, I would answer your question as follows:

The question may not be well formulated. It assumes there IS a &#039;control knob,&#039; that is, a single variable in this complex, chaotic, dynamic system called the global climate.  And it assumes further that the single variable not only (a) exists but also (b) can be &#039;controlled&#039; (i.e. by us humans: in a reasonable time span with reasonable feedback/calibration at reasonable cost in energy/resource/political and other agreement).  I&#039;m not sure there is such a thing, but my guess is, the driver of the system is inbound solar energy and a (the) main &#039;control knob&#039; is the negative feedback loop from the hydrological cycle.  All that sunshine gets converted into mechanical work (evaporating and transporting water) and then the heat is carried to the poles and stratosphere and leaves the system.  Water is the big dog in this story.  CO2 and other GHGs count for a few percentage points.

The claim that CO2 is the &#039;control knob&#039; is IMHO a piece of bootstrapping.  Until the system&#039;s various other elements have been considered one by one and eliminated as the putative &#039;control knob&#039; (and how would you ever do that?) you can&#039;t claim that CO2 is the culprit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stu @ 11:46: &#8220;&#8230;What actual evidence is there that atmospheric CO2 is the control knob of the climate?&#8221;</p>
<p>I am not a physicist (and I don&#8217;t even play one on TV).  But in my defense I am a science geek and a longtime fan of Richard Feynman and similar super-clear thinkers.  So, subject to comments from the real physicists on this thread, I would answer your question as follows:</p>
<p>The question may not be well formulated. It assumes there IS a &#8216;control knob,&#8217; that is, a single variable in this complex, chaotic, dynamic system called the global climate.  And it assumes further that the single variable not only (a) exists but also (b) can be &#8216;controlled&#8217; (i.e. by us humans: in a reasonable time span with reasonable feedback/calibration at reasonable cost in energy/resource/political and other agreement).  I&#8217;m not sure there is such a thing, but my guess is, the driver of the system is inbound solar energy and a (the) main &#8216;control knob&#8217; is the negative feedback loop from the hydrological cycle.  All that sunshine gets converted into mechanical work (evaporating and transporting water) and then the heat is carried to the poles and stratosphere and leaves the system.  Water is the big dog in this story.  CO2 and other GHGs count for a few percentage points.</p>
<p>The claim that CO2 is the &#8216;control knob&#8217; is IMHO a piece of bootstrapping.  Until the system&#8217;s various other elements have been considered one by one and eliminated as the putative &#8216;control knob&#8217; (and how would you ever do that?) you can&#8217;t claim that CO2 is the culprit.</p>
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