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		By: Susanamantha		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/09/29/teaching-zinn-part-ii/#comment-2645919</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susanamantha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2022 17:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks to JJ for his comment above. I have saved it and printed it for my grandchildren to read in order for them to have some background to counter the pap they are being taught today in our lousy public schools.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to JJ for his comment above. I have saved it and printed it for my grandchildren to read in order for them to have some background to counter the pap they are being taught today in our lousy public schools.</p>
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		By: Cappy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/09/29/teaching-zinn-part-ii/#comment-2645885</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2022 13:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I had a best friend who finally stopped talking to me over the whole barge of social and political issues, known him since before kindergarten.  His dad was a high school science teacher, and actually gave me good career advice in high school which I promptly disregarded.  The dad was always in the forefront of lefto causes.  I have to wonder if the guy was actually a Communist.  At age 98, it doesn&#039;t matter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a best friend who finally stopped talking to me over the whole barge of social and political issues, known him since before kindergarten.  His dad was a high school science teacher, and actually gave me good career advice in high school which I promptly disregarded.  The dad was always in the forefront of lefto causes.  I have to wonder if the guy was actually a Communist.  At age 98, it doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
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		By: Links and Comments &#124; Rockport Conservatives		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/09/29/teaching-zinn-part-ii/#comment-2645617</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Links and Comments &#124; Rockport Conservatives]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2022 01:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Teaching Zinn: Part II [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Teaching Zinn: Part II [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/09/29/teaching-zinn-part-ii/#comment-2645435</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2022 02:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Looking around to see what Amazon is doing now generated a lot of hits, but this one rivaled the Babylon Bee story. 
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/06/22/amazon-censors-killing-free-speech-documentary-about-censorship/

It&#039;s getting hard to parody real life.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/a-brief-history-of-book-burning-amazon-censorship-and-canceled-dr-seuss-are-simply-the-latest-high-tech-examples
2021-03

This article is more in-depth than most stories I found, which are usually focused on the political books most recently pulled (see the above posts), or the authors&#039; own niche interests (such as Holocaust denial and white identitarianism), and not on the censoring process itself. 

One of the stealth techniques for suppressing something without actually banning it from the Amazon website is to prohibit ads or promotions. 

https://www.deseret.com/indepth/2021/3/8/22308119/bill-clinton-helped-create-conservative-publishing-where-headed-josh-hawley-regnery-amazon-google
&quot;Is Amazon Allowed to Censor Conservative Books?
From J.K. Rowling to Josh Hawley, writers with unpopular beliefs are under siege. Now Amazon is on the battlefield
Publishers once wanted conservative books because they make money, but they’re pulling back at the first whiff of controversy&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking around to see what Amazon is doing now generated a lot of hits, but this one rivaled the Babylon Bee story.<br />
<a href="https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/06/22/amazon-censors-killing-free-speech-documentary-about-censorship/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/06/22/amazon-censors-killing-free-speech-documentary-about-censorship/</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s getting hard to parody real life.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.dailywire.com/news/a-brief-history-of-book-burning-amazon-censorship-and-canceled-dr-seuss-are-simply-the-latest-high-tech-examples" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.dailywire.com/news/a-brief-history-of-book-burning-amazon-censorship-and-canceled-dr-seuss-are-simply-the-latest-high-tech-examples</a><br />
2021-03</p>
<p>This article is more in-depth than most stories I found, which are usually focused on the political books most recently pulled (see the above posts), or the authors&#8217; own niche interests (such as Holocaust denial and white identitarianism), and not on the censoring process itself. </p>
<p>One of the stealth techniques for suppressing something without actually banning it from the Amazon website is to prohibit ads or promotions. </p>
<p><a href="https://www.deseret.com/indepth/2021/3/8/22308119/bill-clinton-helped-create-conservative-publishing-where-headed-josh-hawley-regnery-amazon-google" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.deseret.com/indepth/2021/3/8/22308119/bill-clinton-helped-create-conservative-publishing-where-headed-josh-hawley-regnery-amazon-google</a><br />
&#8220;Is Amazon Allowed to Censor Conservative Books?<br />
From J.K. Rowling to Josh Hawley, writers with unpopular beliefs are under siege. Now Amazon is on the battlefield<br />
Publishers once wanted conservative books because they make money, but they’re pulling back at the first whiff of controversy&#8221;</p>
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		By: Patrick Ford		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/09/29/teaching-zinn-part-ii/#comment-2645434</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick Ford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2022 02:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is tangentially related - about history education and redefining terms. It&#039;s long but very informative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdY_IMZH2Ko]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is tangentially related &#8211; about history education and redefining terms. It&#8217;s long but very informative.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdY_IMZH2Ko" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdY_IMZH2Ko</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/09/29/teaching-zinn-part-ii/#comment-2645430</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2022 02:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All of those quoted people sound so sincere, so well-intentioned.
And yet -- so ignorant (yes, I have read some of Mary Grabar&#039;s book, but I knew from reading Zinn&#039;s first chapter that he was vastly ignorant or malicious or both).

&lt;blockquote&gt;I had the courage to try out some of Zinn’s work in the classroom after reading the intro of A Young People’s History of the United States, particularly this quote: “It seems to me it is wrong to treat young readers as if they are not mature enough to look at their nation’s policies honestly. &lt;b&gt;Yes, it’s a matter of being honest. &lt;/b&gt;Just as we must, as individuals, be honest about our own failures in order to correct them, it seems to me that we must do the same when evaluating our national policies.”
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A fine platitude from Zinn, and very true -- but he was not then, and apparently was not later (he died January 27, 2010), honest about either American history or his own failures.
And the Democrats who love him so much are absolutely dishonest about evaluating our national policies (they don&#039;t evaluate anything in the usual meaning, they just emote and posture).

&lt;blockquote&gt;Grabar also reveals Zinn’s bag of dishonest rhetorical tricks: his slavish reliance on partisan history, explicit rejection of historical balance, and &lt;b&gt;selective quotation of sources to make them say the exact opposite of what their authors intended.&lt;/b&gt; If you care about America’s past—and our future—you need this book.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Frankly, I&#039;m surprised Amazon sells it.  
I think they got slapped down not long ago for deep-sixing conservative works, and discovered that dissing half the country can lose a lot of customers. 

https://nypost.com/2021/03/04/amazon-pulls-justice-clarence-thomas-doc-as-censorship-of-conservative-content-continues/

Or maybe they are just being more surreptitious about their proclivities.
This is what they were doing in 2012; don&#039;t know if they&#039;ve changed since then or are just hiding their procedures better.

https://selfpublishingadvice.org/amazon-censoring-indie-author-reviews/

But then, following your own procedures can get dicey when they&#039;re duplicitous to start with.

https://babylonbee.com/news/amazoncom-thrown-off-aws-for-selling-trumps-art-of-the-deal]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of those quoted people sound so sincere, so well-intentioned.<br />
And yet &#8212; so ignorant (yes, I have read some of Mary Grabar&#8217;s book, but I knew from reading Zinn&#8217;s first chapter that he was vastly ignorant or malicious or both).</p>
<blockquote><p>I had the courage to try out some of Zinn’s work in the classroom after reading the intro of A Young People’s History of the United States, particularly this quote: “It seems to me it is wrong to treat young readers as if they are not mature enough to look at their nation’s policies honestly. <b>Yes, it’s a matter of being honest. </b>Just as we must, as individuals, be honest about our own failures in order to correct them, it seems to me that we must do the same when evaluating our national policies.”
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<p>A fine platitude from Zinn, and very true &#8212; but he was not then, and apparently was not later (he died January 27, 2010), honest about either American history or his own failures.<br />
And the Democrats who love him so much are absolutely dishonest about evaluating our national policies (they don&#8217;t evaluate anything in the usual meaning, they just emote and posture).</p>
<blockquote><p>Grabar also reveals Zinn’s bag of dishonest rhetorical tricks: his slavish reliance on partisan history, explicit rejection of historical balance, and <b>selective quotation of sources to make them say the exact opposite of what their authors intended.</b> If you care about America’s past—and our future—you need this book.
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<p>Frankly, I&#8217;m surprised Amazon sells it.<br />
I think they got slapped down not long ago for deep-sixing conservative works, and discovered that dissing half the country can lose a lot of customers. </p>
<p><a href="https://nypost.com/2021/03/04/amazon-pulls-justice-clarence-thomas-doc-as-censorship-of-conservative-content-continues/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://nypost.com/2021/03/04/amazon-pulls-justice-clarence-thomas-doc-as-censorship-of-conservative-content-continues/</a></p>
<p>Or maybe they are just being more surreptitious about their proclivities.<br />
This is what they were doing in 2012; don&#8217;t know if they&#8217;ve changed since then or are just hiding their procedures better.</p>
<p><a href="https://selfpublishingadvice.org/amazon-censoring-indie-author-reviews/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://selfpublishingadvice.org/amazon-censoring-indie-author-reviews/</a></p>
<p>But then, following your own procedures can get dicey when they&#8217;re duplicitous to start with.</p>
<p><a href="https://babylonbee.com/news/amazoncom-thrown-off-aws-for-selling-trumps-art-of-the-deal" rel="nofollow ugc">https://babylonbee.com/news/amazoncom-thrown-off-aws-for-selling-trumps-art-of-the-deal</a></p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/09/29/teaching-zinn-part-ii/#comment-2645424</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2022 01:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You want to see a prime example of the decadence and decline?

Feast your eyes on this--

See  https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/09/lizzo-plays-james-madisons-flute-loaned-library-congress-b-tch-just-twerked-played-james-madisons-flute/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You want to see a prime example of the decadence and decline?</p>
<p>Feast your eyes on this&#8211;</p>
<p>See  <a href="https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/09/lizzo-plays-james-madisons-flute-loaned-library-congress-b-tch-just-twerked-played-james-madisons-flute/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/09/lizzo-plays-james-madisons-flute-loaned-library-congress-b-tch-just-twerked-played-james-madisons-flute/</a></p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/09/29/teaching-zinn-part-ii/#comment-2645423</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2022 01:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The inimitable Victor David Hanson  detail exactly how and why our civilization is sliding into decadence and decline.

See  https://amgreatness.com/2022/09/28/the-thinnest-veneer-of-civilization/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The inimitable Victor David Hanson  detail exactly how and why our civilization is sliding into decadence and decline.</p>
<p>See  <a href="https://amgreatness.com/2022/09/28/the-thinnest-veneer-of-civilization/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://amgreatness.com/2022/09/28/the-thinnest-veneer-of-civilization/</a></p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/09/29/teaching-zinn-part-ii/#comment-2645422</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2022 01:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;For some reason, they don’t teach that in the schools. I wonder why?&lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t know why.  Do know what you said is largely nonsense, so it should not be taught.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>For some reason, they don’t teach that in the schools. I wonder why?</i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know why.  Do know what you said is largely nonsense, so it should not be taught.</p>
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		By: John Fisher		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/09/29/teaching-zinn-part-ii/#comment-2645421</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Fisher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2022 00:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[bof - For what it is worth, I&#039;m for eliminating public education entirely. Then the out of work teachers can learn to code or apply for jobs at homeschooling pods where the parents screen them directly and they can be quickly replaced if they managed to get their Marxist BS past the employment screen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bof &#8211; For what it is worth, I&#8217;m for eliminating public education entirely. Then the out of work teachers can learn to code or apply for jobs at homeschooling pods where the parents screen them directly and they can be quickly replaced if they managed to get their Marxist BS past the employment screen.</p>
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