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		By: Kate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/09/29/heres-a-thread-for-discussing-hurricane-ian/#comment-2645657</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2022 12:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Carolina hurricane update: Trees down all over the place in central NC. Our power went out at 7:30 last night and is still out, thirteen hours later. Generator running. Duke Power says it will fix this by noon; I am dubious. Of course none of this compares to what happened in SW Florida.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carolina hurricane update: Trees down all over the place in central NC. Our power went out at 7:30 last night and is still out, thirteen hours later. Generator running. Duke Power says it will fix this by noon; I am dubious. Of course none of this compares to what happened in SW Florida.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/09/29/heres-a-thread-for-discussing-hurricane-ian/#comment-2645640</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2022 07:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;We all knew it would be bad. I don&#039;t think we knew it would be this bad.&quot;

https://notthebee.com/article/a-major-florida-tourist-town-is-gone-after-hurricane-ian-blew-through

&quot;Fort Myers Beach, along with Lee County&#039;s other barrier islands, took the brunt of Hurricane Ian&#039;s assault on Florida&#039;s coastline. The storm, a Category 4 when it made landfall, sent 150 mph winds and a towering storm surge tearing through the town&#039;s center. ...

The commercial center of the beach town was ravaged by the hurricane,&quot;

Before &#038; after pictures show the extent of the damage.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We all knew it would be bad. I don&#8217;t think we knew it would be this bad.&#8221;</p>
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<p>&#8220;Fort Myers Beach, along with Lee County&#8217;s other barrier islands, took the brunt of Hurricane Ian&#8217;s assault on Florida&#8217;s coastline. The storm, a Category 4 when it made landfall, sent 150 mph winds and a towering storm surge tearing through the town&#8217;s center. &#8230;</p>
<p>The commercial center of the beach town was ravaged by the hurricane,&#8221;</p>
<p>Before &amp; after pictures show the extent of the damage.</p>
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		By: stan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2022 21:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If Jim Cantore didn&#039;t stumble around in the midst of the storm, how would we ever find out that hurricanes are windy and rainy?

Of all the stupid things that tv does repeatedly, weather talking heads hanging out in the middle of the storms while warning us to stay inside may be the most stupid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Jim Cantore didn&#8217;t stumble around in the midst of the storm, how would we ever find out that hurricanes are windy and rainy?</p>
<p>Of all the stupid things that tv does repeatedly, weather talking heads hanging out in the middle of the storms while warning us to stay inside may be the most stupid.</p>
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		By: Oldflyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oldflyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2022 17:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A reminder of how vulnerable we are when nature goes on a rampage; and how random the results can be.  My sister in Tampa dodged the bullet for the second time in just a couple of years as the storm&#039;s track jogged a few degrees.  In west Florida, we once had a tornado skip over us and destroy an area a few blocks away.

Years ago my daughter here in Ca lost her home in a mudslide.  Hers was one of only two lost.  Insurance called it a flood, and not covered.  I commented that if you are going to be hit by a natural disaster, better that  it is  big  enough to get government attention.   This event illustrates how stupid that remark was.   Sometimes a disaster is too big for government, or any other human power.   Nothing but time, in many cases a very long time, will help the people in the path of this one--and some will never recover.

Empathy for those whose lives have been turned topsy turvy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A reminder of how vulnerable we are when nature goes on a rampage; and how random the results can be.  My sister in Tampa dodged the bullet for the second time in just a couple of years as the storm&#8217;s track jogged a few degrees.  In west Florida, we once had a tornado skip over us and destroy an area a few blocks away.</p>
<p>Years ago my daughter here in Ca lost her home in a mudslide.  Hers was one of only two lost.  Insurance called it a flood, and not covered.  I commented that if you are going to be hit by a natural disaster, better that  it is  big  enough to get government attention.   This event illustrates how stupid that remark was.   Sometimes a disaster is too big for government, or any other human power.   Nothing but time, in many cases a very long time, will help the people in the path of this one&#8211;and some will never recover.</p>
<p>Empathy for those whose lives have been turned topsy turvy.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/09/29/heres-a-thread-for-discussing-hurricane-ian/#comment-2645486</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2022 15:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[physicsguy, I stopped accepting the National Hurricane Center &quot;official&quot; forecasts and started looking at the &quot;spaghetti&quot; models on Weather Underground. I could see the trend eastward.

Using five years of model runs doesn&#039;t seem to make much sense.

So now this storm center will pass just to our west, and we&#039;re going to get tropical storm wind gusts this afternoon, but other than a gloomy day stuck inside it&#039;s not a problem.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>physicsguy, I stopped accepting the National Hurricane Center &#8220;official&#8221; forecasts and started looking at the &#8220;spaghetti&#8221; models on Weather Underground. I could see the trend eastward.</p>
<p>Using five years of model runs doesn&#8217;t seem to make much sense.</p>
<p>So now this storm center will pass just to our west, and we&#8217;re going to get tropical storm wind gusts this afternoon, but other than a gloomy day stuck inside it&#8217;s not a problem.</p>
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		By: physicsguy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[physicsguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2022 15:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kate,

I&#039;ve been following the models for Ian all along.  This year, the GFS has been off on its track predictions with a definite west bias. For Ian, the UK and Euro have been spot on showing a continuing east motion before FL and also showing the exit into the Atlantic and north towards the Carolinas well before the GFS and other models.  NOAA has taken the middle ground on their official track which, I think, hindered their forecast and had the Tampa landfall wrong, while the UK-Euro showed Ft. Meyers.  

Also, not many people know this, but the &quot;cone&quot; is an average of uncertainties over 5 years of model runs, not the current uncertainty in the current year models.  I talked to several of my other experimental physics colleagues, and to us it doesn&#039;t make sense as the models are updated each year, so the uncertainty in this year&#039;s runs should have very little in common with runs from 5 years ago.  NOAA may have a good reason, but on the surface doesn&#039;t make a lot of sense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been following the models for Ian all along.  This year, the GFS has been off on its track predictions with a definite west bias. For Ian, the UK and Euro have been spot on showing a continuing east motion before FL and also showing the exit into the Atlantic and north towards the Carolinas well before the GFS and other models.  NOAA has taken the middle ground on their official track which, I think, hindered their forecast and had the Tampa landfall wrong, while the UK-Euro showed Ft. Meyers.  </p>
<p>Also, not many people know this, but the &#8220;cone&#8221; is an average of uncertainties over 5 years of model runs, not the current uncertainty in the current year models.  I talked to several of my other experimental physics colleagues, and to us it doesn&#8217;t make sense as the models are updated each year, so the uncertainty in this year&#8217;s runs should have very little in common with runs from 5 years ago.  NOAA may have a good reason, but on the surface doesn&#8217;t make a lot of sense.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/09/29/heres-a-thread-for-discussing-hurricane-ian/#comment-2645466</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2022 13:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Congratulations to the hurricane forecasters. This storm has finally turned north, only several days after they began saying it would. This is surprising; they&#039;re often more nearly correct well before landfall.

AesopFan, it&#039;s partly that DeSantis is a competent administrator, and partly that this isn&#039;t Florida&#039;s first hurricane. They know what can happen and they know what they have to do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations to the hurricane forecasters. This storm has finally turned north, only several days after they began saying it would. This is surprising; they&#8217;re often more nearly correct well before landfall.</p>
<p>AesopFan, it&#8217;s partly that DeSantis is a competent administrator, and partly that this isn&#8217;t Florida&#8217;s first hurricane. They know what can happen and they know what they have to do.</p>
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		By: physicsguy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[physicsguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2022 12:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[NS, glad to hear your house is OK.  My daughter lives in Orlando also, but northwest side just north of Colonial Ave.  They are on fairly high ground so no flooding and minimal wind damage to trees.  Her husband works at Universal, but we haven&#039;t heard from him about the extent.  I did see some pics of damage to some of the attractions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NS, glad to hear your house is OK.  My daughter lives in Orlando also, but northwest side just north of Colonial Ave.  They are on fairly high ground so no flooding and minimal wind damage to trees.  Her husband works at Universal, but we haven&#8217;t heard from him about the extent.  I did see some pics of damage to some of the attractions.</p>
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		By: Cavendish		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cavendish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2022 11:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From Liz, above: &quot;... I recommend carrying a tire inflator in your car. I had multiple flats from nails, ...&quot;

Absolutely true, and it will be worse during, and after, rebuild as so many rooves get replaced. In 2004 we went through Charley (8/13), then Francis, then Jean, and Ivan after hitting the panhandle added spice by looping back through Florida  as a tropical depression. By December/January 2005 the sound of roofing air nailers in the neighborhood was as common as chirping birds. 

I wound up buying a couple used &quot;toy spares&quot; - the down-sized &quot;emergency&quot; spare tires - for Partner in Crime&#039;s car and put a hydraulic jack and cordless impact wrench in the trunk because a fast tire swap was better than trying Roadside Recovery with a plugging kit and 12 volt compressor. There were days she went through both toy spares. 

For my truck, alas, no such animal, so I bought a used - but still true - wheel and a new tire (mucho $$ for that size) and tossed it in the bed so I had 2 spares. Got lucky and had to use it only twice. 

FYI, there are a couple good tire plugging kits available, and i have one in each vehicle, but the best plugging job will be done by a skilled tire repair shop. You have to get there first, though....

And, Rufus, I wish you the best, that the damage is not as bad as imagined and the repairs quicker. Glad that you were an observer and not a participant in this one. I&#039;m starting to hear from friends in Naples and it was brutal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Liz, above: &#8220;&#8230; I recommend carrying a tire inflator in your car. I had multiple flats from nails, &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely true, and it will be worse during, and after, rebuild as so many rooves get replaced. In 2004 we went through Charley (8/13), then Francis, then Jean, and Ivan after hitting the panhandle added spice by looping back through Florida  as a tropical depression. By December/January 2005 the sound of roofing air nailers in the neighborhood was as common as chirping birds. </p>
<p>I wound up buying a couple used &#8220;toy spares&#8221; &#8211; the down-sized &#8220;emergency&#8221; spare tires &#8211; for Partner in Crime&#8217;s car and put a hydraulic jack and cordless impact wrench in the trunk because a fast tire swap was better than trying Roadside Recovery with a plugging kit and 12 volt compressor. There were days she went through both toy spares. </p>
<p>For my truck, alas, no such animal, so I bought a used &#8211; but still true &#8211; wheel and a new tire (mucho $$ for that size) and tossed it in the bed so I had 2 spares. Got lucky and had to use it only twice. </p>
<p>FYI, there are a couple good tire plugging kits available, and i have one in each vehicle, but the best plugging job will be done by a skilled tire repair shop. You have to get there first, though&#8230;.</p>
<p>And, Rufus, I wish you the best, that the damage is not as bad as imagined and the repairs quicker. Glad that you were an observer and not a participant in this one. I&#8217;m starting to hear from friends in Naples and it was brutal.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2022 06:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This advertising sign was funny yesterday. 

https://media.notthebee.com/articles/article-6332f2023e9a6.jpg

Today, not so much.

https://nypost.com/2022/09/29/23-chilling-photos-of-the-aftermath-of-hurricane-ian/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This advertising sign was funny yesterday. </p>
<p><a href="https://media.notthebee.com/articles/article-6332f2023e9a6.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://media.notthebee.com/articles/article-6332f2023e9a6.jpg</a></p>
<p>Today, not so much.</p>
<p><a href="https://nypost.com/2022/09/29/23-chilling-photos-of-the-aftermath-of-hurricane-ian/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://nypost.com/2022/09/29/23-chilling-photos-of-the-aftermath-of-hurricane-ian/</a></p>
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