Comments on: Roundup

By: Richard Aubrey

Richard Aubrey — Sun, 25 Sep 2022 17:33:40 +0000

It is said, whatever that means, that four Russian pilots have died in “encounters” with alien craft. Who went after who is not specified.
If true you’d think there would be something similar happening here.
Maybe some nutcase made it up and it got some juice. I expect it would.
Or possible disinformation for….great big debunking to teach us all a lesson.

By: Snow on Pine

Snow on Pine — Sun, 25 Sep 2022 16:12:07 +0000

om–Actually, looking through some of the the paperwork cited above, it appears that, after exhaustive investigations, the best the technical experts could come up with was that the ICBM’s electronic launch systems, which were found to be in working order, were interfered with by some sort of externally generated EMP.

So, after this, new electronics, which where thought to offer protection against such externally generated EMPs, were installed to protect these ICBM control systems.

By: om

om — Sun, 25 Sep 2022 15:50:52 +0000

Occam’s Razor, because ICBM launch systems and electronics are 100% reliable and always have been, therefore UFOs. Whatever.

By: Snow on Pine

Snow on Pine — Sun, 25 Sep 2022 15:23:25 +0000

P.S. The mere fact that there is at least one well-attested to incident of UFOs being able to interfere with the electronics of some of our nuclear-armed ICBMs in 1967 at Malmstrom AFB (it would be funny if it weren’t scary how the two high level representatives from DOD at the first Congressional Hearing in 50 years on UFOs claimed not to have any knowledge, or any “official” knowledge, of this very famous incident) to make them un-launchable (and there are mentions of other such incidents with our ICBMs as well) testifies to the fact that these UFOs are a bona fide “national security threat.” *

* See https://www.howandwhys.com/ufos-hacked-malmstrom-afb-nuke-system/

* And, finally, this at https://en.everybodywiki.com/Malmstrom_Air_Force_Base_UFO_incident

By: miguel cervantes

miguel cervantes — Sun, 25 Sep 2022 13:39:48 +0000

the fact they don’t know what it is, is concerning, I didn’t say aliens, or transdimensional craft, I didn’t rule it out either,

By: Snow on Pine

Snow on Pine — Sun, 25 Sep 2022 13:21:05 +0000

RE: UFOs–the problem I have is that when you start to dig–start from 1945 and move upward in time, and sift out the 95% of explainables, you see that the remaining 5% of unexplainable reports are piling up—good evidence with, increasingly, multiple modes of simultaneous technological observation, and presented by credible witnesses—you see that there is something out there, that UFOs are real.

This ain’t that ol’ dingbat, Aunt Martha, who saw a light in the sky after too much “shine,” this is more wide-spread and better and better evidence.

So much good evidence, for instance, from military pilots and observers that the DOD has grudgingly, sorta, in a sideways kind of way admitted in its reports on this subject to Congress that UFOs are real.

Moreover, some recent proposed Congressional legislation even uses language which implies that UFOs are not human technology. *

When it dawns on you that this phenomena is one that is world-wide, and one that’s seemingly accelerating—that more and more UFOs have been and are being seen over the U.S., over the countries of Europe, all over South America, Asia, Australia and the Pacific, over and in bodies of water everywhere and–according to hints, here and there–in Earth orbit and perhaps beyond, it just seems to me that this is surveillance and interference which, given it’s least and most benign interpretation, is becoming increasingly intolerable for both military and commercial flight operations, done by some unknown entity or entities, and that it would be a grave error to ignore and refuse to thoroughly investigate what certainly seems to be a threat to our national security.

* See https://thehill.com/opinion/3610916-congress-implies-ufos-have-non-human-origins/

By: Art Deco

Art Deco — Sun, 25 Sep 2022 12:54:55 +0000

Ever since Roswell in 1947

Nothing of note happened at Roswell.

By: Richard Aubrey

Richard Aubrey — Sun, 25 Sep 2022 12:29:40 +0000

One of the conundra–pretentious, I know–about recent sightings is that the Navy footage shows a blur on the screen. Its performance is attested to by the conversations between the pilot and RIO. Apparently the aircraft is following it so the blur doesn’t move very far from the center of the screen.
I’ve been told any reasonably competent twelve year old could insert the blur into the footage, or put it on top of the footage when preparing a copy for release.
So we’re left to think what? That’s the best the Navy’s instrumentation can do? They’re trying to, in effect, redact any details? By looking sort of first-level sloppy, they’re asserting genuine because any fake would look better?
Maybe twenty years ago, the AF said they’d cleared 96% of unanswered sightings by connecting them to actual aircraft, mostly experimental secret stuff.
What that means, if true, is that whoever saw the thing, whatever it was, was not having hallucinations nor just making stuff up. And if it’s not true, then it means they want you to think whoever’s pretending the clearances wants you to think the reporter was actually seeing an actual thing. Who wins with that one?

By: huxley

huxley — Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:48:59 +0000

Before everyone gets excited about aliens please look at this site which plausibly deconstructs alien visitation:

Yawrate:

Before you get too excited and believe UFOs have been debunked or metabunked, please read the wiki entry on Dr. John Hynek, who was a high-profile astronomer and worked on the USAF UFO investigations, Project Sign and Project Blue Book. Hynek started off as a complete skeptic, then changed his mind.
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As UFO reports continued to be made, some of the testimonies, especially by military pilots and police officers, were deeply puzzling to Hynek. He once said, “As a scientist I must be mindful of the lessons of the past; all too often it has happened that matters of great value to science were overlooked because the new phenomenon did not fit the accepted scientific outlook of the time.”[6]

In a 1985 interview, when asked what caused his change of opinion, Hynek responded, “Two things, really. One was the completely negative and unyielding attitude of the Air Force. They wouldn’t give UFOs the chance of existing, even if they were flying up and down the street in broad daylight. Everything had to have an explanation. I began to resent that, even though I basically felt the same way, because I still thought they weren’t going about it in the right way. You can’t assume that everything is black no matter what. Secondly, the caliber of the witnesses began to trouble me. Quite a few instances were reported by military pilots, for example, and I knew them to be fairly well-trained, so this is when I first began to think that, well, maybe there was something to all this.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Allen_Hynek#Turnaround

By: huxley

huxley — Sun, 25 Sep 2022 05:59:06 +0000

This not something that we can just ignore and pretend doesn’t exist.

Snow on Pine:

We can and mostly have. From what I can tell UFOs have always been with humanity and still are.

Sure, there are thousands of UFO sightings each year. Yes, I know. I check those websites now and then.

It is unsettling that we don’t seem to know what they are, but beyond sightings they rarely have any effect on our world and don’t seem to pose a threat.

UFOs have been and still are a mystery, but we can’t do anything about them, so they’ve become background noise. It’s not surprising.

I’d rather we understood UFOs and I wish scientists could investigate them without limiting their careers, but I don’t expect that to change any time soon.

I’ve been reading UFO buffs for decades now, saying the UFO story is just about to bust wide open, but it never happens.