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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Neo &#062; &quot;It’s true that quite a few male dancers are gay, but quite a few are straight.&quot;

About 10 years ago, I started taking ballet lessons for the exercise, (had to quit a couple of years later because of plantar fasciitis and then never got back to it). 
Our teacher was &quot;retired&quot; from the stage circuit and had been teaching quite a while, so she was probably in her late sixties then, and I don&#039;t remember where all she worked -- California and Utah IIRC.  

The point of this digression:
I remember her remarking once that, when she started her career, the gay dancers had to pretend to be straight, often with a suitable marriage to carry the illusion; but by the time she retired, &quot;you had to be gay to get a job.&quot;

Another digression, since this is a male dancer post:
At one point, a young man joined our class, which had a large age range -- I was among the oldest, but there were also young &#038; middle aged women and a couple of guys who had danced awhile decided they just didn&#039;t want to do that as a career.

Anyway, Matthew had already earned about 5 or 6 black belts in all the martial arts he could find locally, and one of his teachers suggested he take some ballet to improve his balance and flexibility.  
He loved it -- within the year he was dancing most of the male parts other than the lead (always an imported pro) in our annual &quot;Nutcracker&quot; -- at the end of his second year, he became an intern in a Utah dance company.

I didn&#039;t keep up with him after I left the class, but it&#039;s a great example of unusual cross-training.

There is an old story of football teams being sent to the college ballet class for the same reasons, and getting beat into the ground by the regimen.
Different muscle groups and so forth.

There&#039;s an internet post about everything. 
https://www.balletbarresonline.com/blogs/news/93291073-why-do-football-players-practice-ballet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQQRvt3ipCU
Football Players take Ballet HD - 
Spring 2017: Six football players took 10 ballet classes as a method of injury prevention

And don&#039;t forget the classics.  
I went with my teacher to see them in Denver about a year or so before this was filmed.
Les Ballets Trockadero de Monte Carlo
TEATRO DEGLI ARCIMBOLDI, LUNEDÌ 26 DICEMBRE 2011 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0MyFrvaxf0

They play a lot of things for laughs, of course, but are really very good.
In a distance shot of a serious passage, it&#039;s hard to realize they are (often quite large) men in tutus.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Neo &gt; &#8220;It’s true that quite a few male dancers are gay, but quite a few are straight.&#8221;</p>
<p>About 10 years ago, I started taking ballet lessons for the exercise, (had to quit a couple of years later because of plantar fasciitis and then never got back to it).<br />
Our teacher was &#8220;retired&#8221; from the stage circuit and had been teaching quite a while, so she was probably in her late sixties then, and I don&#8217;t remember where all she worked &#8212; California and Utah IIRC.  </p>
<p>The point of this digression:<br />
I remember her remarking once that, when she started her career, the gay dancers had to pretend to be straight, often with a suitable marriage to carry the illusion; but by the time she retired, &#8220;you had to be gay to get a job.&#8221;</p>
<p>Another digression, since this is a male dancer post:<br />
At one point, a young man joined our class, which had a large age range &#8212; I was among the oldest, but there were also young &amp; middle aged women and a couple of guys who had danced awhile decided they just didn&#8217;t want to do that as a career.</p>
<p>Anyway, Matthew had already earned about 5 or 6 black belts in all the martial arts he could find locally, and one of his teachers suggested he take some ballet to improve his balance and flexibility.<br />
He loved it &#8212; within the year he was dancing most of the male parts other than the lead (always an imported pro) in our annual &#8220;Nutcracker&#8221; &#8212; at the end of his second year, he became an intern in a Utah dance company.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t keep up with him after I left the class, but it&#8217;s a great example of unusual cross-training.</p>
<p>There is an old story of football teams being sent to the college ballet class for the same reasons, and getting beat into the ground by the regimen.<br />
Different muscle groups and so forth.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an internet post about everything.<br />
<a href="https://www.balletbarresonline.com/blogs/news/93291073-why-do-football-players-practice-ballet" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.balletbarresonline.com/blogs/news/93291073-why-do-football-players-practice-ballet</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQQRvt3ipCU" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQQRvt3ipCU</a><br />
Football Players take Ballet HD &#8211;<br />
Spring 2017: Six football players took 10 ballet classes as a method of injury prevention</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t forget the classics.<br />
I went with my teacher to see them in Denver about a year or so before this was filmed.<br />
Les Ballets Trockadero de Monte Carlo<br />
TEATRO DEGLI ARCIMBOLDI, LUNEDÌ 26 DICEMBRE 2011<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0MyFrvaxf0" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0MyFrvaxf0</a></p>
<p>They play a lot of things for laughs, of course, but are really very good.<br />
In a distance shot of a serious passage, it&#8217;s hard to realize they are (often quite large) men in tutus.</p>
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		By: Zara A		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/09/03/baryshnikov-the-great/#comment-2641298</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2022 08:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great Person!!
Baryshnikov condemned the Russian invasion of Ukraine and wrote an open letter to Vladimir Putin slamming his &quot;world of fear&quot;. In his letter, Baryshnikov wrote that people of culture who promoted Russian art made more for Russia than Putin&#039;s &quot;not-so-precise weapons&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Person!!<br />
Baryshnikov condemned the Russian invasion of Ukraine and wrote an open letter to Vladimir Putin slamming his &#8220;world of fear&#8221;. In his letter, Baryshnikov wrote that people of culture who promoted Russian art made more for Russia than Putin&#8217;s &#8220;not-so-precise weapons&#8221;.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2022 20:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yawrate:

It&#039;s accomplished through amazing strength in thighs and butt, and also wonderful timing, as well as the right breathing. &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2015/jul/10/mikhail-baryshnikov-why-i-finally-agreed-play-nijinsky&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Nijinsky used to say this&lt;/a&gt; about the process:

&lt;blockquote&gt; When asked if it was difficult to seemingly hang in the air when jumping, he replied: ‘No! No! Not difficult. You have just to go up and then pause a little up there.” &lt;/blockquote&gt;

That may seem preposterous, but it&#039;s not. It goes without saying that I&#039;m no Nijinsky, but in my own little (very little) way I would try to do the same.  I can&#039;t explain it, but I think it has partly to do with holding the breath for a moment and also freezing the motion for a moment, and keeping the same tension, as though you&#039;re freezing for a snapshot.

Note that &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.google.com/search?q=nijinsky&#038;rlz=1C1LENP_enUS488US490&#038;source=lnms&#038;tbm=isch&#038;sa=X&#038;ved=2ahUKEwiZnfGYgPz5AhXkjokEHes6ADIQ_AUoAnoECAIQBA&#038;biw=1230&#038;bih=711&#038;dpr=0.83&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;photos of Nijinsky&lt;/a&gt; reveal a similar thigh-to-torso ratio as with Baryshnikov.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yawrate:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s accomplished through amazing strength in thighs and butt, and also wonderful timing, as well as the right breathing. <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2015/jul/10/mikhail-baryshnikov-why-i-finally-agreed-play-nijinsky" rel="nofollow ugc">Nijinsky used to say this</a> about the process:</p>
<blockquote><p> When asked if it was difficult to seemingly hang in the air when jumping, he replied: ‘No! No! Not difficult. You have just to go up and then pause a little up there.” </p></blockquote>
<p>That may seem preposterous, but it&#8217;s not. It goes without saying that I&#8217;m no Nijinsky, but in my own little (very little) way I would try to do the same.  I can&#8217;t explain it, but I think it has partly to do with holding the breath for a moment and also freezing the motion for a moment, and keeping the same tension, as though you&#8217;re freezing for a snapshot.</p>
<p>Note that <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=nijinsky&amp;rlz=1C1LENP_enUS488US490&amp;source=lnms&amp;tbm=isch&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=2ahUKEwiZnfGYgPz5AhXkjokEHes6ADIQ_AUoAnoECAIQBA&amp;biw=1230&amp;bih=711&amp;dpr=0.83" rel="nofollow ugc">photos of Nijinsky</a> reveal a similar thigh-to-torso ratio as with Baryshnikov.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/09/03/baryshnikov-the-great/#comment-2641242</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2022 20:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom Grey:

Again, about heights in ballet - &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenewneo.com/2008/09/19/dancers-and-the-small-shall-be-tall/&quot;&gt;see this post&lt;/a&gt;, in which I mention how most dancers are quite small and look taller onstage.  As for Leslie Browne, she is not 5&#039;7&quot;.  During the filming of &quot;The Turning Point,&quot; I saw her nearly every day in the dance class I took.  I stood near her many times. I am 5&#039;4&quot;, and she is either my height or maybe one inch taller.  Nowhere near 5&#039;7&quot;.  I don&#039;t care what some website says.

Also, about the womanizing.  It&#039;s true that quite a few male dancers are gay, but quite a few are straight.  And the straight ones have a field day, for the most part.  Lots of women from which to choose, and everybody lean and lovely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Grey:</p>
<p>Again, about heights in ballet &#8211; <a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2008/09/19/dancers-and-the-small-shall-be-tall/">see this post</a>, in which I mention how most dancers are quite small and look taller onstage.  As for Leslie Browne, she is not 5&#8217;7&#8243;.  During the filming of &#8220;The Turning Point,&#8221; I saw her nearly every day in the dance class I took.  I stood near her many times. I am 5&#8217;4&#8243;, and she is either my height or maybe one inch taller.  Nowhere near 5&#8217;7&#8243;.  I don&#8217;t care what some website says.</p>
<p>Also, about the womanizing.  It&#8217;s true that quite a few male dancers are gay, but quite a few are straight.  And the straight ones have a field day, for the most part.  Lots of women from which to choose, and everybody lean and lovely.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2022 19:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MB  has it all.  Everything.   As a matter of probability theory, someplace there is a guy who has everything MB has except....he has a face Central Casting keeps on hand when you need an extra to be an anonymous bureaucrat.

Got it all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MB  has it all.  Everything.   As a matter of probability theory, someplace there is a guy who has everything MB has except&#8230;.he has a face Central Casting keeps on hand when you need an extra to be an anonymous bureaucrat.</p>
<p>Got it all.</p>
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		By: Ben David		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2022 18:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan mentioned &#039;flyover folk&#039; but this lifelong New Yorker was dragged to see Baryshnikov and Makarova when i was too young to appreciate or explain what made this The Best. 

I think this true of many New Yorkers. The Best in the performing arts means a level of skill and focus that simply lets the audience be drawn into the work... &quot;making it look easy&quot; makes it look convincing and inevitable, believable. You don&#039;t need to be a connoisseur to &quot;get it&quot;.

OTOH it is relatively easy to identify performances that fall short - when the spell of a performance is broken by distracting  technique (good or bad, as Neo has shown us with her examples of inexpressive hyperextension) or lack of direction, focus, or committment by the performers.

&quot;Making it look easy&quot; is a necessary first step to enchanting an audience.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan mentioned &#8216;flyover folk&#8217; but this lifelong New Yorker was dragged to see Baryshnikov and Makarova when i was too young to appreciate or explain what made this The Best. </p>
<p>I think this true of many New Yorkers. The Best in the performing arts means a level of skill and focus that simply lets the audience be drawn into the work&#8230; &#8220;making it look easy&#8221; makes it look convincing and inevitable, believable. You don&#8217;t need to be a connoisseur to &#8220;get it&#8221;.</p>
<p>OTOH it is relatively easy to identify performances that fall short &#8211; when the spell of a performance is broken by distracting  technique (good or bad, as Neo has shown us with her examples of inexpressive hyperextension) or lack of direction, focus, or committment by the performers.</p>
<p>&#8220;Making it look easy&#8221; is a necessary first step to enchanting an audience.</p>
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2022 16:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Baryshnikov was a fantastic dancer, and a fine actor.  Could have been competition for Tom Cruise for cute tough masculine guy had he chosen more movies - but unlikely to have been the giant he remains in Ballet.

I really liked The Turning Point, with the reality of decisions made (I said this ...17 years ago, too, here on Neo&#039;s blog).

In the trailer
https://www.imdb.com/video/vi4143644953/?playlistId=tt0076843&#038;ref_=tt_pr_ov_vi

Mikhail looks about Leslie Brown&#039;s height of ... 170cm = 66.9 inches.  5-7, but likely just a bit shorter. 

Unlike so many male ballet dancers, he was quite a successful womanizer in real life, as in that movie.  

It&#039;s so hard to improve from very good to truly great - the best, perhaps the GOAT (greatest of all time).  He did so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baryshnikov was a fantastic dancer, and a fine actor.  Could have been competition for Tom Cruise for cute tough masculine guy had he chosen more movies &#8211; but unlikely to have been the giant he remains in Ballet.</p>
<p>I really liked The Turning Point, with the reality of decisions made (I said this &#8230;17 years ago, too, here on Neo&#8217;s blog).</p>
<p>In the trailer<br />
<a href="https://www.imdb.com/video/vi4143644953/?playlistId=tt0076843&#038;ref_=tt_pr_ov_vi" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.imdb.com/video/vi4143644953/?playlistId=tt0076843&#038;ref_=tt_pr_ov_vi</a></p>
<p>Mikhail looks about Leslie Brown&#8217;s height of &#8230; 170cm = 66.9 inches.  5-7, but likely just a bit shorter. </p>
<p>Unlike so many male ballet dancers, he was quite a successful womanizer in real life, as in that movie.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s so hard to improve from very good to truly great &#8211; the best, perhaps the GOAT (greatest of all time).  He did so.</p>
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		By: Yawrate		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2022 14:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[He makes it look all so easy. The effortless gliding I can understand but the leaps where he appears to float seems to defy gravity, . 

Basketballs Michael Jordan appeared to float but that was an illusion. At the apex of his leap the ball is held near head level and as he descends he lets his body fall away from the ball by extending his arm to keep the ball at its initial height. Followed by a tremendous dunk of course.

I watched that first clip of Baryshnikov a dozen times and can&#039;t determine how the illusion is accomplished. Absolutely amazing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He makes it look all so easy. The effortless gliding I can understand but the leaps where he appears to float seems to defy gravity, . </p>
<p>Basketballs Michael Jordan appeared to float but that was an illusion. At the apex of his leap the ball is held near head level and as he descends he lets his body fall away from the ball by extending his arm to keep the ball at its initial height. Followed by a tremendous dunk of course.</p>
<p>I watched that first clip of Baryshnikov a dozen times and can&#8217;t determine how the illusion is accomplished. Absolutely amazing.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2022 11:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Related...(to everything??)...
&quot;Transcending Fear — Surgeon General of Florida Speaks Out&quot;---
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2022/09/04/transcend-fear.aspx
Key grafs:
&quot;...Ladapo suffered the effects of traumatic events that occurred in his childhood well into adulthood. It wasn’t until just before the COVID pandemic that he experienced a breakthrough and was able to release old fear-based reactions;
&quot;Releasing old fears allowed him to see through the lies of the pandemic narrative;
&quot;Stress and trauma have the effect of making it difficult to think straight, see the truth and stand against what you know to be wrong. Healing such psycho-emotional wounds will make you more resistant to brainwashing;
&quot;In his book, Ladapo reveals his own experiences with trauma-based fear, his journey of recovery, and how you can address challenges in a way that is consistent with who you actually desire to be...
&quot;...I almost wanted to cry sometimes because it was such an assault on people&#039;s humanity...
&quot;...Prevention is really important and doing things that can prevent the onset of disease is huge....&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related&#8230;(to everything??)&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Transcending Fear — Surgeon General of Florida Speaks Out&#8221;&#8212;<br />
<a href="https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2022/09/04/transcend-fear.aspx" rel="nofollow ugc">https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2022/09/04/transcend-fear.aspx</a><br />
Key grafs:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;Ladapo suffered the effects of traumatic events that occurred in his childhood well into adulthood. It wasn’t until just before the COVID pandemic that he experienced a breakthrough and was able to release old fear-based reactions;<br />
&#8220;Releasing old fears allowed him to see through the lies of the pandemic narrative;<br />
&#8220;Stress and trauma have the effect of making it difficult to think straight, see the truth and stand against what you know to be wrong. Healing such psycho-emotional wounds will make you more resistant to brainwashing;<br />
&#8220;In his book, Ladapo reveals his own experiences with trauma-based fear, his journey of recovery, and how you can address challenges in a way that is consistent with who you actually desire to be&#8230;<br />
&#8220;&#8230;I almost wanted to cry sometimes because it was such an assault on people&#8217;s humanity&#8230;<br />
&#8220;&#8230;Prevention is really important and doing things that can prevent the onset of disease is huge&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2022 06:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Neo - I confess I skipped that one. My bad!

Great story - you have so many of them, and have been so generous in sharing them with us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Neo &#8211; I confess I skipped that one. My bad!</p>
<p>Great story &#8211; you have so many of them, and have been so generous in sharing them with us.</p>
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