Comments on: You want range? I’ll give you range– and autotune?

By: Ira M. Siegel

Ira M. Siegel — Mon, 22 Aug 2022 22:38:34 +0000

As great as the Bee Gees were, I think they should have stayed away from “Will You Love Me Tomorrow.” This is the first time I’ve heard their version. (Thank you, neo.) To me, they just sound whiny.

The Four Seasons’ version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp4-4YJUNfY) (thanks, Mike Smith) sounds OK, but is evidence that the song probably is one of those that, as Bruce Hayden noted, are better sung by women.

The Shirelles’ version is, of course, classic. When I first heard it as a pre-teen kid, it seemed to me as though a girl was warning a guy, in no uncertain terms, that he better be around for a long while.

Carol King’s Tapestry version, which I heard when the album was released, seemed like a different song. The singer (King, of course) seemed to be telling her “new” boyfriend that she already knew he’d be permanently gone before the morning.

I think both The Shirelles and Carol King versions are great.

By: FOAF

FOAF — Mon, 22 Aug 2022 20:49:47 +0000

You don’t need technology to ruin music. Rita Coolidge butchered two great songs – “Higher And Higher” and “The Way You Do The Things You Do” long before autotune was invented.

By: FOAF

FOAF — Mon, 22 Aug 2022 20:44:49 +0000

“There are songs that should be sung only by women, and I think this is one of them.”

And yet the lyrics were written by a man, King’s then-husband Gerry Goffin. For all those wonderful Goffin-King songs Goffin wrote the lyrics and King wrote the music. Yes I have found that ironic for this song in particular.

By: pkudude99

pkudude99 — Mon, 22 Aug 2022 17:15:32 +0000

I mostly listen to Tim Foust in Home Free vids or when he collaborates with Peter Hollens. i enjoy his voice quite a lot in those, but for some reason that I can’t explain, I’ve never felt like following his personal channel or listening to his solo work.

Geoff Castellucci (from the group Voiceplay) on the other hand…. I am subscribed to his channel as well as to the Voiceplay one.

By: neo

neo — Mon, 22 Aug 2022 00:45:54 +0000

By the way, although I like everything the Bee Gees do, this is one of their lesser performances. It’s one of the only – maybe even the only – cover song they ever recorded (except when they were just fooling around), and as I said earlier it was on a tribute album to Carole King. It doesn’t quite suit them although they do a pretty good job. I very much prefer them doing the songs they wrote themselves – about 1000 of them.

By: Philip Sells

Philip Sells — Mon, 22 Aug 2022 00:18:37 +0000

It’s a good thing the Byzantine chant world is impervious to autotune. Oh, I suppose someone could adapt the algorithm to accommodate microtonal systems, but that’d be so much work, I would think, and in the end there would be few users.

By: M Smith

M Smith — Sun, 21 Aug 2022 23:17:58 +0000

I like the Shirelles original best. It has an authentic 60s sound and it sounds more like she means what she’s singing. The guys are too caught up in the artistry, not in the feeling. They are trying too hard to make something pretty or skillful. The emotion behind the words doesn’t hit you as hard. I liked Carole King’s piano playing, but the accompaniment makes it a very different song.

I don’t know much about music , though. I still associate autotune with the bizarre effects on that Cher record in the 90s. Whatever subtleties are involved with the technology are lost on me.

By: Leah

Leah — Sun, 21 Aug 2022 21:50:47 +0000

Technically speaking, headphones do not give you more clarity to hear the details and dynamics unless you’ve got a professionally designed, mainly flat response pair. Most headphones, like speakers, have some emphasis in various frequencies. This can “trick” your ears, so to speak. However, your entire post is fabulous besides this little detail. Carol King, for example, was a master at emphasizing her voice for this particular reason among others. Dynamics are why we often associate such great musicians like BB King, Clapton, Louis Armstrong, etc. with profound human emotions

By: Tom Grey

Tom Grey — Sun, 21 Aug 2022 20:49:14 +0000

After many years, my two weeks in Corfu included a few Karaoke nights, which I fully enjoyed.

(Am Idol killed the karaoke star.)
So I looked up California Girls by the Beach Boys, but found …
Fil – analyzing Brian Wilson’s voice and discussing autotone (autotune?).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEac2AQEsC8

The techno geek in me knows that, in some years (or decades?), the autotuners will be able to get most of the timbre & overtones tuned with vibrato. But not yet – just as text-to-speech in real time doesn’t yet fully work. (20 yrs after 2001).

Foust’s bass voice is deep & rich — but without the soul of most deep voiced singers (like on Disturbed’s “Sound of Silence” cover.) Makes me think of Fellini’s Cassanova (Donald Sutherland!), and his pure “technique”. Foust’s version seems to mean, not a song for fun or expressing feelings, but to show off vocal virtuosity. Tho I know I’m also very envious of that same singing ability, and there were some moments where he was having fun.
Bee Gees, quite good, but not special for me.
Shirelles, yes.

Carole King, lots of emotion, it was real for her – but, no thanks. Not such a great voice for me – would be among the best karoake versions I’d have ever heard.
Did she really end the final verse with “love me?” or was the final tomorrow cut?

By: Gordon Scott

Gordon Scott — Sun, 21 Aug 2022 18:25:36 +0000

JimNorCal: besides Tapestry, Carly Simon’s Hotcakes. Both were inevitably owned and usually one was displayed with the cover fronted in apartments of gals.