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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2022 13:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We are still receiving radiation from the event 15 billion years ago right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are still receiving radiation from the event 15 billion years ago right.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2022 12:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Huxley.  If interstellar space is not a perfect vacuum, then it has matter in it.  And if it&#039;s correct that this matter is intercepting light--making it &quot;tired&quot;--then interstellar space would be emitting the resulting energy it stole from the light.  It would not be at absolute zero.
I haven&#039;t been able to find anything on that.
If the universe were infinitely old, then the interstellar vacuum would be infinitely hot, would it not?
Which, backing into it, would suggest a starting point, not an infinity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huxley.  If interstellar space is not a perfect vacuum, then it has matter in it.  And if it&#8217;s correct that this matter is intercepting light&#8211;making it &#8220;tired&#8221;&#8211;then interstellar space would be emitting the resulting energy it stole from the light.  It would not be at absolute zero.<br />
I haven&#8217;t been able to find anything on that.<br />
If the universe were infinitely old, then the interstellar vacuum would be infinitely hot, would it not?<br />
Which, backing into it, would suggest a starting point, not an infinity.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2022 05:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ huxley &#062; &quot;It’s rather boggling.&quot;

And the atheists complain about the Garden of Eden and Christ&#039;s Virgin Birth.
SMH]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ huxley &gt; &#8220;It’s rather boggling.&#8221;</p>
<p>And the atheists complain about the Garden of Eden and Christ&#8217;s Virgin Birth.<br />
SMH</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2022 15:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[miguel cervantes:

No. There is no origin point. It&#039;s tricky stuff. 

The Big Bang isn&#039;t like a bomb went off in outer space and we&#039;re all bits of shrapnel scattering in different directions.

There was no space into which the Big Bang exploded.  The Big Bang was the initial expansion of space itself and that space is still expanding.

Essentially we are inside the Big Bang. There is no direction where we can look and the Big Bang isn&#039;t. It&#039;s rather boggling.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>miguel cervantes:</p>
<p>No. There is no origin point. It&#8217;s tricky stuff. </p>
<p>The Big Bang isn&#8217;t like a bomb went off in outer space and we&#8217;re all bits of shrapnel scattering in different directions.</p>
<p>There was no space into which the Big Bang exploded.  The Big Bang was the initial expansion of space itself and that space is still expanding.</p>
<p>Essentially we are inside the Big Bang. There is no direction where we can look and the Big Bang isn&#8217;t. It&#8217;s rather boggling.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2022 15:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[there has to be an origin point, one assumes over x billions of years, there galaxies would be receding,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there has to be an origin point, one assumes over x billions of years, there galaxies would be receding,</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2022 14:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[miguel cervantes:

Your comments are usually on the terse side. I&#039;m often unclear what you are saying. Perhaps you might expand a bit more.

As I understand the Big Bang, there is no origin point nor another direction in which to look. The Cosmic Microwave Background  Radiation (CMBR) compromises the oldest remnants of the Big Bang we can detect and we detect it in all directions.
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&lt;i&gt;The cosmic microwave background radiation and the cosmological redshift-distance relation are together regarded as the best available evidence for the Big Bang theory. Measurements of the CMB have made the inflationary Big Bang theory the Standard Cosmological Model.[52] The discovery of the CMB in the mid-1960s curtailed interest in alternatives such as the steady state theory.[

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>miguel cervantes:</p>
<p>Your comments are usually on the terse side. I&#8217;m often unclear what you are saying. Perhaps you might expand a bit more.</p>
<p>As I understand the Big Bang, there is no origin point nor another direction in which to look. The Cosmic Microwave Background  Radiation (CMBR) compromises the oldest remnants of the Big Bang we can detect and we detect it in all directions.<br />
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<p><i>The cosmic microwave background radiation and the cosmological redshift-distance relation are together regarded as the best available evidence for the Big Bang theory. Measurements of the CMB have made the inflationary Big Bang theory the Standard Cosmological Model.[52] The discovery of the CMB in the mid-1960s curtailed interest in alternatives such as the steady state theory.[</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background</a></i></p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2022 14:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I tried to grok the basis for the big bang thesis, like in that earlier piece, but they didn&#039;t look in the other direction, did they, or at another plane, assuming we are looking at the origin point, some 15 billion lightyears, have we tracked the motion of the outer most galaxies  from the origin point, near us,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to grok the basis for the big bang thesis, like in that earlier piece, but they didn&#8217;t look in the other direction, did they, or at another plane, assuming we are looking at the origin point, some 15 billion lightyears, have we tracked the motion of the outer most galaxies  from the origin point, near us,</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2022 14:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are no doubt many ways to fix the Big Bang or reinterpret the Webb images, so the story is far from over.

My general impression is scientists tend to excessive optimism that &quot;This time we&#039;ve just about got it handled.&quot; Plus these days there is more groupthink than ever, which is self-reinforcing. For instance, climate change.

So I tend to cheer on developments which rock that scientific assurance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are no doubt many ways to fix the Big Bang or reinterpret the Webb images, so the story is far from over.</p>
<p>My general impression is scientists tend to excessive optimism that &#8220;This time we&#8217;ve just about got it handled.&#8221; Plus these days there is more groupthink than ever, which is self-reinforcing. For instance, climate change.</p>
<p>So I tend to cheer on developments which rock that scientific assurance.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2022 13:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Roy Lofquist:

I&#039;m not sold on Lerner either. His plasma cosmology which replaces the Big Bang universe is widely criticized. Also, Lerner is a science writer, not a scientist.

However, Lerner&#039;s summary of the problems Webb is creating for the Big Bang comports with what I&#039;ve read elsewhere, e.g. the quote from &quot;Science&quot; I provided, and explains the &quot;panic&quot; well.

The hard nugget of information he mentions that *will* be published in &quot;Nature&quot; is impressive. Again:
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&lt;i&gt;The authors state that the new images show that there are at least 100,000 times as many galaxies as theorists predicted at redshifts more than 10. There is no way that so many large galaxies can be generated in so little time, so again– no Big Bang.&lt;/i&gt;
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However, I want to read that article myself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy Lofquist:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sold on Lerner either. His plasma cosmology which replaces the Big Bang universe is widely criticized. Also, Lerner is a science writer, not a scientist.</p>
<p>However, Lerner&#8217;s summary of the problems Webb is creating for the Big Bang comports with what I&#8217;ve read elsewhere, e.g. the quote from &#8220;Science&#8221; I provided, and explains the &#8220;panic&#8221; well.</p>
<p>The hard nugget of information he mentions that *will* be published in &#8220;Nature&#8221; is impressive. Again:<br />
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<p><i>The authors state that the new images show that there are at least 100,000 times as many galaxies as theorists predicted at redshifts more than 10. There is no way that so many large galaxies can be generated in so little time, so again– no Big Bang.</i><br />
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<p>However, I want to read that article myself.</p>
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		By: Roy Lofquist		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy Lofquist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2022 12:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Huxley,

Lerner is, at the very least, enigmatic. I have been trying to get in contact with him for about 30 years with nary a response from him or his organization.

Guth&#039;s inflationary theory arrived with a tremendous splash at a time when the acceptance of the Big Bang was still in doubt. In its original form he proposed that the singularity suddenly expanded to a size roughly equal to the orbit of Venus in 200-300 years. The current &quot;wisdom&quot; is that it expanded to 90% of the current size of the universe, roughly 42 billion light years, in 1/10^39 second. He was only off by about 60 orders of magnitude but hey, it was close enough for Government work.

The history of the Big Bang is a study in advanced ad hocery. They have &quot;discovered&quot; more unknown and undetectable particles, objects, and forces than there are garden gnomes, fairies, and little green dragons in Irish mythology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Huxley,</p>
<p>Lerner is, at the very least, enigmatic. I have been trying to get in contact with him for about 30 years with nary a response from him or his organization.</p>
<p>Guth&#8217;s inflationary theory arrived with a tremendous splash at a time when the acceptance of the Big Bang was still in doubt. In its original form he proposed that the singularity suddenly expanded to a size roughly equal to the orbit of Venus in 200-300 years. The current &#8220;wisdom&#8221; is that it expanded to 90% of the current size of the universe, roughly 42 billion light years, in 1/10^39 second. He was only off by about 60 orders of magnitude but hey, it was close enough for Government work.</p>
<p>The history of the Big Bang is a study in advanced ad hocery. They have &#8220;discovered&#8221; more unknown and undetectable particles, objects, and forces than there are garden gnomes, fairies, and little green dragons in Irish mythology.</p>
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